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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWe are watching the conservative Party of Reagan die a slow, agonizing death...
For years, we have had to endure Republicans talking about "smaller government", lower taxes, pro-life, and all those conservative values that only permit Republicans to get into heaven.
No more. Donald Trump is pissing all over the "conservative revolution" that brought the Republicans to power in Washington and the statehouses of this country. A few conservatives seem to realize what Trump is doing to their Party and holding back on their endorsements.
A few Republicans, including Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell, believe they can force Donald Trump to follow their lead. Are they in for the surprise of their lives!
They covet the White House so much that they are willing to sell their souls for the chance to beat Hillary Clinton. They may reap the worst of both worlds. They may lose their Party and lose to Clinton, also? It couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of divisive hypocrites.
vi5
(13,305 posts)We've been hearing about this death of the GOP for the better part of a decade (if not longer) now. And they still hold two of the 3 biggest branches of government and look to do so for the foreseeable future.
They are running an unqualified, unrepentant racist for President and he is running nationally almost even with the Democratic candidate.
If that's death or even near death, then I don't know what to think.
kentuck
(111,111 posts)to dishearten the opposition?
vi5
(13,305 posts)at the expense of the health of the Democratic party.
The problem has become that too many of our candidates are content to just sit back, take positions just within the safe zone, and then wait for their opponents to destroy themselves, at the expense of taking actual positions and standing strongly for them.
We've been doing it for so long now and nobody on the other side is disheartened, they are more emboldened than ever.
HughBeaumont
(24,461 posts)Call me when a progressive gets even one atom-speck of real power or wealth.
Major Nikon
(36,828 posts)The reason why the GOP is doing so well the last decade or so is because baby boomers are now voting in huge numbers. The problem the GOP has is the boomers are dying off so they have to get an increasingly larger share of the white vote in order to win elections. Obviously this creates diminishing returns the closer they get to the tipping point.
So it may take the better part of another decade for the death throws to really set in, but the demographics are going to defeat them sooner or later. It's doubtful the GOP will ever win another presidential election unless they significantly reinvent themselves, and once they are delegated to a regional only party you will see their influence quickly die out.
vi5
(13,305 posts)The civil rights generation? The Vietnam protest generation?
The problem with that narrative is that we heard it from the Baby boomers when the WWII generation was starting to die off. Then the Boomers got more conservative.
My generation is Gen X. We helped elect Clinton to office and really were involved in social and economic issues, and I see my own peers starting to get more conservative so soon we'll be the ones that people are supposedly waiting to die off so that the GOP can really take a hit.
Major Nikon
(36,828 posts)But unless they significantly change their ideology, I don't really see that happening.
vi5
(13,305 posts)..it's going to be a while before there is any death knell for the GOP.
And definitely not for their ideology.
stopbush
(24,400 posts)He railed against imaginary problems, provided imaginary solutions (like supply side/trickle down) and formed an unholy alliance with the biggest "based on make believe" industry man has ever concocted, religion...in his case, the Xian religious right.
Poppy bush tried to inject a bit of sanity into the mix when he became president, but he could only go so far as his main job was protecting and making excuses for the Reagan legacy. He was still beholden to the populist fantasies that had made Reagan so popular.
When Clinton took office, the RW went into make believe overdrive, culminating in their impeaching a president over consensual sex with another adult. Of course, they also started their "evil Clintons" cottage industry of make believe that is still going strong today.
Junior bush took the next logical step in elevating make believe, with Rove stating that they actually created their own "new realities." Those new realities (ie: fictions/lies) included the claims that SH had WMDs.
Trump is the expected endgame in the Rs failed and dangerous reliance on using make believe as their guiding force. He literally makes it up as he goes along, changing positions 180° when needed. The media doesn't even bother to point out that none if what he says is reality based. Hey, it's entertaining, it gets ratings, and that helps the bottom line.
Maybe the populace has had enough of make believe. Maybe not.
dembotoz
(16,866 posts)HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)There's really only one party positioned to fill that, and I don't want Dems rightwing to become even more conservative.
AntiBank
(1,339 posts)so good to see another of like mind
vi5
(13,305 posts)He knows the climate is safer than ever for his kind and he wants to get while the getting is good.
Especially if we squeak out a few more senate seats and he stands the chance of being the 60th vote, he looks forward to 8 years of being wooed by the party as if his is the only vote that counts, because as far as they are concerned, it will be.
zipplewrath
(16,646 posts)I want all the "Rockefeller Republicans" to go back to the GOP so we can have two legitimate parties again, instead of the Democrats and the screaming idiots.
davidn3600
(6,342 posts)If the GOP implodes, what happens to conservatives? Do they just disappear from the Earth like some sort of Rapture? Do they start supporting moderate or right-wing Democrats moving our party to the center? The likely answer is a political realignment. And god only knows who comes out ahead in the end. Democrats would benefit in the short-term. But the long-term is a toss up. America doesn't seem to like one-party rule very much. Something would likely change. Part of the Democratic party may even split, especially if conservatives start joining the party and threatening the platform.
Look how hostile the Democratic primary was. Our party isn't as united as you think we are....especially if we no longer have a common enemy to rally against. We will likely splinter.
Look at how much the political parties have changed in the past 100 years. Think about this....just 100 years ago, it was the Republican party that was supporting women's suffrage. The Democrats opposed it.
100 years from now, the political parties in this country will change again. History is proof of that.
kairos12
(12,906 posts)Orrex
(63,295 posts)gratuitous
(82,849 posts)This retrograde thinking really needs to die a quick, public death as an example for humanity to internalize for 10 generations.
hatrack
(59,606 posts).
LWolf
(46,179 posts)We are watching the Republican Party implode, it's true.
We are also watching the Democratic Party morph into the party of Reagan "Democrats."
socialist_n_TN
(11,481 posts)either the Democratic Party or the Republican Party. That's the people who are to the LEFT of those Reagan "Democrats". They won't be unrepresented for long. SOMEBODY will step up and organize to represent them. If not the Dems. then who will it be? That is the biggest question to be answered over the next decade IMO.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)We keep giving the Democratic Party chances, and they keep rejecting us; that vacuum will be filled.
kentuck
(111,111 posts)He told us exactly what we need to do - starting at the county and state levels... We have to recruit some good people to run for office. The Millennials would probably be the "base".
I replaced my dead computer, and my email server is struggling.
First it kept sending me ALL the junk; now it's assuming every email is junk. I'm still sorting through everything I'm getting, trying to get it working efficiently. I haven't found one from Bernie.
It's an appropriate thing for a political revolution to do...work at the local level to elect the right people.