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kentuck

(111,111 posts)
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 05:59 PM Jul 2016

We are watching the conservative Party of Reagan die a slow, agonizing death...

For years, we have had to endure Republicans talking about "smaller government", lower taxes, pro-life, and all those conservative values that only permit Republicans to get into heaven.

No more. Donald Trump is pissing all over the "conservative revolution" that brought the Republicans to power in Washington and the statehouses of this country. A few conservatives seem to realize what Trump is doing to their Party and holding back on their endorsements.

A few Republicans, including Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell, believe they can force Donald Trump to follow their lead. Are they in for the surprise of their lives!

They covet the White House so much that they are willing to sell their souls for the chance to beat Hillary Clinton. They may reap the worst of both worlds. They may lose their Party and lose to Clinton, also? It couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of divisive hypocrites.

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We are watching the conservative Party of Reagan die a slow, agonizing death... (Original Post) kentuck Jul 2016 OP
Reports of death are frequently premature... vi5 Jul 2016 #1
Cam't we just once spread our own propaganda...? kentuck Jul 2016 #3
No, because we've been doing it for too long... vi5 Jul 2016 #6
Yeah . . . HughBeaumont Jul 2016 #8
Not really Major Nikon Jul 2016 #10
And who thought the Baby Boomers would vote GOP? vi5 Jul 2016 #13
I suppose it's possible that people of color could start voting for the GOP as they get older Major Nikon Jul 2016 #15
As long as aging whites keep doing it... vi5 Jul 2016 #22
Reagan turned the Rs into the "party of make-believe." stopbush Jul 2016 #2
transformed into the party of bigots ronnie and nancy would feel right at home dembotoz Jul 2016 #12
The vacuum that creates frightens me HereSince1628 Jul 2016 #4
I have been saying this for ages AntiBank Jul 2016 #5
There's a reason Evan Bayh is jumping back in... vi5 Jul 2016 #7
Similar thoughts zipplewrath Jul 2016 #19
So the GOP implodes.....And then what happens? davidn3600 Jul 2016 #9
For me Raygun was the worst President of all time. He begat Shrub. kairos12 Jul 2016 #11
+1 n/t FSogol Jul 2016 #18
Too slow, and not agonizing enough. Orrex Jul 2016 #14
The poster speaks my mind gratuitous Jul 2016 #17
Way too slow, not nearly agonizing enough hatrack Jul 2016 #16
I disagree. LWolf Jul 2016 #20
Yep. Which will leave one very large voting bloc unrepresented by......... socialist_n_TN Jul 2016 #21
Yes. LWolf Jul 2016 #23
Did you get Bernie's last email ?? kentuck Jul 2016 #24
No. LWolf Jul 2016 #25
 

vi5

(13,305 posts)
1. Reports of death are frequently premature...
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 06:09 PM
Jul 2016

We've been hearing about this death of the GOP for the better part of a decade (if not longer) now. And they still hold two of the 3 biggest branches of government and look to do so for the foreseeable future.

They are running an unqualified, unrepentant racist for President and he is running nationally almost even with the Democratic candidate.

If that's death or even near death, then I don't know what to think.

 

vi5

(13,305 posts)
6. No, because we've been doing it for too long...
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 07:34 PM
Jul 2016

at the expense of the health of the Democratic party.

The problem has become that too many of our candidates are content to just sit back, take positions just within the safe zone, and then wait for their opponents to destroy themselves, at the expense of taking actual positions and standing strongly for them.

We've been doing it for so long now and nobody on the other side is disheartened, they are more emboldened than ever.

Major Nikon

(36,828 posts)
10. Not really
Thu Jul 14, 2016, 12:39 AM
Jul 2016

The reason why the GOP is doing so well the last decade or so is because baby boomers are now voting in huge numbers. The problem the GOP has is the boomers are dying off so they have to get an increasingly larger share of the white vote in order to win elections. Obviously this creates diminishing returns the closer they get to the tipping point.

So it may take the better part of another decade for the death throws to really set in, but the demographics are going to defeat them sooner or later. It's doubtful the GOP will ever win another presidential election unless they significantly reinvent themselves, and once they are delegated to a regional only party you will see their influence quickly die out.

 

vi5

(13,305 posts)
13. And who thought the Baby Boomers would vote GOP?
Thu Jul 14, 2016, 08:00 AM
Jul 2016

The civil rights generation? The Vietnam protest generation?

The problem with that narrative is that we heard it from the Baby boomers when the WWII generation was starting to die off. Then the Boomers got more conservative.

My generation is Gen X. We helped elect Clinton to office and really were involved in social and economic issues, and I see my own peers starting to get more conservative so soon we'll be the ones that people are supposedly waiting to die off so that the GOP can really take a hit.

Major Nikon

(36,828 posts)
15. I suppose it's possible that people of color could start voting for the GOP as they get older
Thu Jul 14, 2016, 08:56 AM
Jul 2016

But unless they significantly change their ideology, I don't really see that happening.

 

vi5

(13,305 posts)
22. As long as aging whites keep doing it...
Thu Jul 14, 2016, 11:44 AM
Jul 2016

..it's going to be a while before there is any death knell for the GOP.

And definitely not for their ideology.

stopbush

(24,400 posts)
2. Reagan turned the Rs into the "party of make-believe."
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 06:22 PM
Jul 2016

He railed against imaginary problems, provided imaginary solutions (like supply side/trickle down) and formed an unholy alliance with the biggest "based on make believe" industry man has ever concocted, religion...in his case, the Xian religious right.

Poppy bush tried to inject a bit of sanity into the mix when he became president, but he could only go so far as his main job was protecting and making excuses for the Reagan legacy. He was still beholden to the populist fantasies that had made Reagan so popular.

When Clinton took office, the RW went into make believe overdrive, culminating in their impeaching a president over consensual sex with another adult. Of course, they also started their "evil Clintons" cottage industry of make believe that is still going strong today.

Junior bush took the next logical step in elevating make believe, with Rove stating that they actually created their own "new realities." Those new realities (ie: fictions/lies) included the claims that SH had WMDs.

Trump is the expected endgame in the Rs failed and dangerous reliance on using make believe as their guiding force. He literally makes it up as he goes along, changing positions 180° when needed. The media doesn't even bother to point out that none if what he says is reality based. Hey, it's entertaining, it gets ratings, and that helps the bottom line.

Maybe the populace has had enough of make believe. Maybe not.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
4. The vacuum that creates frightens me
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 06:25 PM
Jul 2016

There's really only one party positioned to fill that, and I don't want Dems rightwing to become even more conservative.

 

vi5

(13,305 posts)
7. There's a reason Evan Bayh is jumping back in...
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 07:36 PM
Jul 2016

He knows the climate is safer than ever for his kind and he wants to get while the getting is good.

Especially if we squeak out a few more senate seats and he stands the chance of being the 60th vote, he looks forward to 8 years of being wooed by the party as if his is the only vote that counts, because as far as they are concerned, it will be.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
19. Similar thoughts
Thu Jul 14, 2016, 10:17 AM
Jul 2016

I want all the "Rockefeller Republicans" to go back to the GOP so we can have two legitimate parties again, instead of the Democrats and the screaming idiots.

 

davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
9. So the GOP implodes.....And then what happens?
Thu Jul 14, 2016, 12:18 AM
Jul 2016

If the GOP implodes, what happens to conservatives? Do they just disappear from the Earth like some sort of Rapture? Do they start supporting moderate or right-wing Democrats moving our party to the center? The likely answer is a political realignment. And god only knows who comes out ahead in the end. Democrats would benefit in the short-term. But the long-term is a toss up. America doesn't seem to like one-party rule very much. Something would likely change. Part of the Democratic party may even split, especially if conservatives start joining the party and threatening the platform.

Look how hostile the Democratic primary was. Our party isn't as united as you think we are....especially if we no longer have a common enemy to rally against. We will likely splinter.

Look at how much the political parties have changed in the past 100 years. Think about this....just 100 years ago, it was the Republican party that was supporting women's suffrage. The Democrats opposed it.

100 years from now, the political parties in this country will change again. History is proof of that.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
17. The poster speaks my mind
Thu Jul 14, 2016, 09:05 AM
Jul 2016

This retrograde thinking really needs to die a quick, public death as an example for humanity to internalize for 10 generations.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
20. I disagree.
Thu Jul 14, 2016, 11:05 AM
Jul 2016

We are watching the Republican Party implode, it's true.

We are also watching the Democratic Party morph into the party of Reagan "Democrats."

socialist_n_TN

(11,481 posts)
21. Yep. Which will leave one very large voting bloc unrepresented by.........
Thu Jul 14, 2016, 11:13 AM
Jul 2016

either the Democratic Party or the Republican Party. That's the people who are to the LEFT of those Reagan "Democrats". They won't be unrepresented for long. SOMEBODY will step up and organize to represent them. If not the Dems. then who will it be? That is the biggest question to be answered over the next decade IMO.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
23. Yes.
Thu Jul 14, 2016, 03:36 PM
Jul 2016

We keep giving the Democratic Party chances, and they keep rejecting us; that vacuum will be filled.

kentuck

(111,111 posts)
24. Did you get Bernie's last email ??
Thu Jul 14, 2016, 04:41 PM
Jul 2016

He told us exactly what we need to do - starting at the county and state levels... We have to recruit some good people to run for office. The Millennials would probably be the "base".

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
25. No.
Thu Jul 14, 2016, 04:50 PM
Jul 2016

I replaced my dead computer, and my email server is struggling.

First it kept sending me ALL the junk; now it's assuming every email is junk. I'm still sorting through everything I'm getting, trying to get it working efficiently. I haven't found one from Bernie.

It's an appropriate thing for a political revolution to do...work at the local level to elect the right people.

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