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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsNewt: American Muslims should be killed with drones if they look at Isis websites, deported
Newt, the very Newt who was desperately peddling himself as a vice presidential candidate, is on Hannity right now screaming "points" that are beyond ridiculous and are very disturbing, scary, and profoundly un-American. The garbage issuing forth from Newt's mouth is honestly shockingly repulsive, even for Newt.
"We are IN A WAR!" He keeps saying, because a terrorist attack happened in FRANCE, so we MUST strip American Muslims of their constitutional rights by immediately giving/forcing all American Muslims to take tests/undergo interrogations to determine whether or not they believe in Sharia law or display any sort of ambivalence regarding foreign terrorist groups like Isis. If they do they must be deported immediately, American citizens or not. Their families should be deported. They should be spied on to determine if they are looking at Isis or Al Qaeda related websites. If so, they should be KILLED WITH DRONES (ffs). No free speech rights, no constitutional protections as American citizens. And of course, Newt says, the tragic attack in France tonight is President Obama's fault.
And I thought Trump was alarming. This my friends is a level of toxic hysteria that is truly scary.
Old and In the Way
(37,540 posts)Pretty simple.
Lance Bass esquire
(671 posts)A right wing Nut Job
"We are IN A WAR!" He keeps saying, because a terrorist attack happened in FRANCE, so we MUST strip American Muslims of their constitutional rights by immediately giving/forcing all American Muslims to take tests/undergo interrogations to determine whether or not they believe in Sharia law or display any sort of ambivalence regarding foreign terrorist groups like Isis"
I love this straw man, one glove fits all approach to EVERYTHING on the right.
No grey area...everything is black and white.
And of course its OBAMA'S fault in the long run just like Nazis were caused by FDR and The Challenger explosion was Tip O'neill's doing.
still_one
(92,552 posts)by individuals and small groups.
Look at Orlando, San Bernardino, the Boston Marathon. How do you stop a lone person with the intent to kill a lot of people.
In these cases it appears the lone gunman, or small group of people were subscribed to a radical Islamic ideology.
The Oklahoma Federal Building that was bombed by Timothy McVeigh. Acted within a very small radical anti-government group. How could that have been stopped, or the abortion clinic bombings and shootings.
As you said, the straw man argument is easy to hurl about, but of course in this case the straw man they use is very selective
Jeffersons Ghost
(15,235 posts)I heard the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) flew (observation) "drones," to reduce terrorism everywhere, except over the USA...
spanone
(135,958 posts)xfundy
(5,105 posts)Obviously.
Ms. Toad
(34,137 posts)when it was robot and a bomb. Not much difference from my perspective.
AntiBank
(1,339 posts)there wasn't a wedding party going on in the parking garage atm
Ms. Toad
(34,137 posts)by execution without trial. There are standards for when deadly force is legally permissible. Those standards (whether criminal or civil) all require making an assessment the moment the trigger is being pulled as to whether the threat is imminent. A robot with a bomb can no more meet those standards than rigging a gun to shoot anyone who crosses your property line did before robots were invented.
Aside from which, the statement I responded to was a general statement about "blowing up anyone with a drone." I see little difference between blowing someone up with a drown and blowing them up with a bomb carrying robot. Neither is acceptable.
AntiBank
(1,339 posts)people are just freaked cuz it was a "scary robot"
if a sniper had taken him out, not a peep would be heard
if they had tried to starve/wait him out and bombs had blown the fuck out of 100 plus people there would be calls for DPD heads on a spike
I am very much against the actual drone warfare overseas, but I just cannot see the parallels as this case was so extreme that a judgement call to bring in the "metal hounds" is not very troubling to me.
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)with a bomb.
Which is to say, they are concerned about escalation to the use of military-styled solutions to a civilian criminal problem.
All the iffy rationalizations just seem to paper over that.
Why not ask some iffy questions to see how comfortable Americans are with this escalation?
IF they have one would it be OK for police to roll up an Abrahms tank and blast away with its cannon at an office complex in which a criminal is barricaded?
If we have to be able to use HE on criminal suspects, do we need to add tracked artillery to the list of police dept vehicles? Do we need to add cruise missles? Predator aircraft? Or should we limit these things to sapper charges, hand-grenades and shoulder held wire guided LAWs? You know small goodies that fit on the web-belt or on a quick-release dash mount?
Where does this escalation take us?
Is the terminal destination a place we really want to take American cities?
tk2kewl
(18,133 posts)But if they were afraid of his bombs they should have tried to take him alive to find out where they might be
the threat had actually already been neutralized
riversedge
(70,482 posts)tk2kewl
(18,133 posts)Since the NSA already has backdoors into encryption and can spy on your online activities in every way possibe...
let's just have Intel bake an ACL and some explosives right into every CPU. If you visit a blacklisted website, your computer essentially becomes a bomb delivery robot and, Blamo! - It blows your face right off.
tblue37
(65,556 posts)postponement suggests he might be having second thoughts about Pence.
By sounding even more deranged than Trump about abusing Muslims and going after Muslim families, he is hoping to get the final rose from Trump after all.
underpants
(183,070 posts)rbrnmw
(7,160 posts)He really really wants to be VP too that's why he went full tilt cray cray
Rex
(65,616 posts)His Contract on America fucked us up bad.
zz-la
(224 posts)Asshole would make a perfect VP for Trump though.
NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)and one with a nicer head of hair.
Purveyor
(29,876 posts)just had our own.
I really expect some of our civil liberties to be temporarily suspended to facilitate this.
Happened before...
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)SheilaT
(23,156 posts)who is looking at ISIS websites?
And if they can track that so easily, THAT'S what we should be up in arms about. Killing with drones is a side issue. Tracking every single thing we do on the internet is the main one.
First they came for those who looked at Isis websites, but I said nothing because I didn't look at those websites.
Then they came for those who visited JackPineRadical website, but I said nothing because I never went there.
Then they came for those who frequented Discussionist, but I remained silent because I didn't go to that site.
Then they came for those who are on Democratic Underground regularly.
After that, silence.
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)I agree with you that the surveillance state is a huge problem...but I find that no where near as troubling as the state of affairs in which the opposition to the surveillance state sees remote assassination of civilians as a lesser evil.
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)Plus, it really isn't a choice simply between a total surveillance state and a state with zero surveillance. There are lots of points in between.
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)but maybe I've missed something
Albertoo
(2,016 posts)I will write it again: I'm fairly sure Trump will lose, but being more serious about radical Islam is necessary to avoid far worse than Trump in 2020.
Case in point: there will be a backlash if we keep supporting the immigration of refugees from Somalia, Syria and other places where the culture places religion above democracy.
Legends303
(481 posts)not saying we should use the rhetoric like the right wing and Trump
but if we don't address this threat, we are doomed for the next couple of elections
Heck Reagan, got elected by this same thought of the Dems and the Soviet Union and making the Dems
look like fools.
philosslayer
(3,076 posts)So you don't support immigration of refugees from Somalia, Syria and "other places where the culture places religion above democracy." Are you trying to say "Islam" without actually saying Islam? So no immigration from Muslim countries? Is that what i'm reading?
Well that does sound like the position of one Presidential candidate........
BlueMTexpat
(15,376 posts)tarring all with the same VERY broad brush.
Albertoo
(2,016 posts)Again, we'll be inviting far-right inroads (far right as in even more extreme than Trump) if we reflexively support a large immigration from countries with a conservative Muslim culture.
Such massive immigration is what is tearing Europe and European politics today.
Not to mention the streets of Paris, London, Madrid or Nice.
treestar
(82,383 posts)Taking it out on the refugees is very popular in some corners.
Chathamization
(1,638 posts)Most of the time it's rightwinger politicians, but sometimes it's people on the Left who've been pushing the "Islam is inherently violent" line.
RandiFan1290
(6,262 posts)Albertoo
(2,016 posts)But indeed, the KSA is a mother lode of bad ideas (to borrow a sentence)
tenderfoot
(8,443 posts)You must know.
Albertoo
(2,016 posts)You know, the Big Bang, no 6 days creation, Evolution, no god with a clot of blood.
BUT that supposes trampling on the feet of the GOP evangelicals too.
Which would grieve me to no end
The_Casual_Observer
(27,742 posts)Nobody gives a shit when these attacks occur in Baghdad, but when this happens in these rich bastard's playground it's time for the big lockdown.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)Person 2713
(3,263 posts)redStateBlueHeart
(265 posts)If they are natural born citizens where will he send them to? The gulags in distant Siberia? Is he high?
TeamPooka
(24,309 posts)AntiBank
(1,339 posts)Generic Other
(28,979 posts)"Are you willing to serve in the armed forces of the United States on combat duty wherever ordered?"
"Will you swear unqualified allegiance to the United States of America and faithfully defend the United States from any or all attack by foreign or domestic forces, and forswear any form of allegiance or obedience to the Japanese emperor, to any other foreign government, power or organization?"
Maybe re-open the "detention" camps for No-No boys? This man's comments really are alarming. We Japanese Americans already know how easy it is for some WASPS to become un-American.
Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)raven mad
(4,940 posts)Since about 1980.
Dworkin
(164 posts)Hi,
With a heavy and sad heart I have to say that the terror attack in Nice, France, plays to a Trump presidency. It is as much as a done deal.
The Islamic fanatics are ensuring that liberal voices around the Western world will be ignored, and right wing authoritarian governments will hold the keys of power. It is very hard to see what the ISIL thinking is, but I fear these events are only the beginning of some very dark times for all of us.
What does ISIL hope to gain? Maybe they do want the end.
D.
auntpurl
(4,311 posts)Sensible people know we need a sensible president during times of trouble, not a nutcase with his finger on the button. This does not play to Trump.
BlueMTexpat
(15,376 posts)couldn't you be a bit more blatant?
Radicals who use religion to justify their unjustified acts and RW authoritarian governments = one and the same, or as close as.
Why would anyone sane choose either?
tenderfoot
(8,443 posts)like they work in tandem with one another
auntpurl
(4,311 posts)Nutcase.
Else You Are Mad
(3,040 posts)is going all out to try to win over Trump since it was leaked that Pence is Trumps vp choice.
What he is saying is not only utterly unconstitutional, it is frightening.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)other approaches and tactics?
Else You Are Mad
(3,040 posts)To enact ANYTHING Newt outlined.
That said, I don't know how to combat this. Electing Hillary would be s great start.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)Trump presidency and how to resist most effectively the ethnic cleansing Trump and Gingrich are proposing.
Else You Are Mad
(3,040 posts)Then maybe it would be time to step up from just peaceful protest.
coco77
(1,327 posts)spanone
(135,958 posts)slink off into the abyss newt, you fucking hatemonger
SCantiGOP
(13,879 posts)Your last ever 15 minutes of fame is over. Back to irrelevancy for you.
dembotoz
(16,866 posts)better add the thingy least i be put on some damn watch list.....
be a great plot twist for a movie
if someone is inspired Please remember to pay me for it
a lunch bag full of used 20s would work for me
ThoughtCriminal
(14,058 posts)Against countries that had conquered Western Europe and much of Asia. In early 1942 it was looking pretty grim for civilization. During WW-2 an average of at least 27,000 people died per DAY.
And yet despite that, we look back at the internment of Japanese Americans as a tragic, major and unnecessary mistake. Why are some so determined to repeat this illegal and humiliating lesson?
Gingrich, the GOP, conservatives and all their apologists are simply fucking cowards.
Nevernose
(13,081 posts)The two instances of ISIS related terrorism in the United States so far were perpetrated by lone wolf sympathizes, and were born and raised in the USA.