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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsRefugee attacks train passengers in Germany, shouts Allah akbar
In Nice it was a truck, in the train near Würzburg, it was axe and knife.
The underlying problem is not the choice of weapon, but the growth of such attacks.
A teenager armed with an axe and a knife has attacked around 20 passengers on a train in northern Bavaria, according to local police.
Three people were seriously hurt and one person sustained light injuries before the attacker was shot dead by police, a police spokesman said on Monday evening.
Bavarias interior minister, Joachim Herrmann, said the attacker was a 17-year-old Afghan asylum seeker who had arrived in Germany as an unaccompanied minor and had been living with a foster family in Ochsenfurt, south of Würzburg, for a few months.
A police taskforce that happened to be in the vicinity then pursued the attacker, shooting dead the 17-year-old, who was carrying an axe and a knife when he had attacked members of the unit.
Asked whether the attack had an Islamist background, Herrmann said one witness inside the train said the teenager had shouted Allahu Akbar during the assault. The report was being investigated.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/18/about-20-people-injured-in-axe-attack-on-train-in-germany
scscholar
(2,902 posts)First hand witness reports are notoriously unreliable.
Albertoo
(2,016 posts)In which religion does seem to play at least a noticeable role.
Angel Martin
(942 posts)certain attacks, the pace of operations by ISIS and outriders etc. is accelerating.
Albertoo
(2,016 posts)Decades of financing of radical ideology by the Saudis had to have consequences.
Angel Martin
(942 posts)the lone wolf jihad but unaffiliated attacks have caused a lot of deaths and destruction. The common factor seems to be Saudi funded radical imans, in mosques or online.
ISIS has pulled off some big attacks with multiple people (eg Paris) but many of the multi person attacks from them, Al Quaeda etc were detected prior and stopped. The more people involved, the more chance for a leak or an informer.
That's part of why the lone wolves can be so successful. If they are careful chance of prior detection is close to zero.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)And greater proportionality of males doing the attacking... in which gender does seem to play a noticeable role as well.
(six of one, half a dozen of the other... and each sourced with supporting and objective evidence as the other)
Albertoo
(2,016 posts)Yo_Mama
(8,303 posts)If an American had attacked a random group while shouting white supremacy slogans, and then the police had found hand-made KKK insignia in his room, absolutely no one on this board would presume that his motives were unknown.
I'm just relieved that the foster family is all right!!!
jmg257
(11,996 posts)Marengo
(3,477 posts)Heard something sinister.
Albertoo
(2,016 posts)Albertoo
(2,016 posts)Democat
(11,617 posts)He'll find plenty of support or denial here at DU.
romanic
(2,841 posts)Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)whatthehey
(3,660 posts)I'm not sure how a religio-loony of another, albeit related, faith going berserk means Christians are the poor oppressed victims of DU but it's a role they seem to seek.
Albertoo
(2,016 posts)It's tragicomic, because in itself, this need to always try to cover up for religion only highlights that most people's initial suspicions were about radical Islam. And proved to be confirmed rather fast. The fact the precious few hours when it was possible to try to claim it had nothing to do with religion were put to immediate use shows some kind of increasing desperation on the part of people who want to believe a religion, any religion, must be good.
Karen Armstrong wrote a piece ten days after 9/11 saying it had nothing to do with Islam..
Amishman
(5,559 posts)nothing to see here, move along
(we need to open our eyes to the uptick in islamic terrorism, or the pubs will bludgeon us with it as an election issue)
pampango
(24,692 posts)There is no cause to paint refugees as bad for the actions of a few.
Chathamization
(1,638 posts)They only disagree on the targets - they think it should be solely focused on Muslims. It's also interesting the way these posts are almost exactly like the racism you see at Freeperville. "Here's a crime committed by group x, how come Liberals are ignoring it, how come Liberals can't admit that group x is violent and is a problem, why do Liberals pretend that all groups are equal when group x is clearly inferior," etc. We even get the "yeah I'm sure this was done by the Amish! /sarcasm" lines.
I guess it's not surprising that bigotry is so similar.
Albertoo
(2,016 posts)The texts of Islam, taken literally, are supremacist.
Many of the believers of that ideology read the texts literally (wahhabis, salafists)
Where is the fearmongering in taking note of these obvious facts?
Chathamization
(1,638 posts)I can't think of a reason why someone would be so focused on arguing that the radical fundamentalist interpretation is the correct interpretation unless they were either radical fundamentalists themselves or trying to denigrate Muslims in general. The latter seems to be especially the case since most of the evidence provided seems to come from truncated quotes taken out of context that they find on anti-Muslim hate sites.
The radical fundamentalist interpretation is one that is often considered wrong by experts in the subject (such as Islamic history professors). People are ignoring the experts and relying on hate sites, using misinformation, and doing all this to argue that people like ISIS are correct. The motivations seem to clearly be fearmongering and bigotry.
Albertoo
(2,016 posts)However, it is important not to lose track of the logic
1- the Quran is supposed to be the perfect, eternal word of god
2- the Quran contains hundreds of supremacist verses commanding to subdue the infidels
3- the believer must submit to the word of god -> subdue the infidels (not figuratively)
The religious logic appears to be on the side of the extremists
Albertoo
(2,016 posts)or the pubs will bludgeon us with it as an election issue
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)saying that very thing for a very long time. We're called Islamophobes, haters, bigots, racists. The ones who have used those words so many times they've lost all meaning, are killing this party and prove Bill Maher right every single day.
Albertoo
(2,016 posts)backscatter712
(26,355 posts)Why, if I say it did, I'd be a bigoted shitlord.
bdwker
(435 posts)Wait a sec.... oh man
its western hegemony and aggression that caused him to do that.
end of sarcasm
Slick move there Angela.
Albertoo
(2,016 posts)And letting in a million+ people, many holding antidemocratic values, was a smart move.
MowCowWhoHow III
(2,103 posts)https://twitter.com/AFP/status/755397785080463360
whatthehey
(3,660 posts)It's not "Islamic State". It's "Angry hateful hopeless oppressed marginalized victims of Western imperialism who all happen to advocate fundamentalist Islamism by a sheer coincidence that does nothing to motivate them whatsoever State"
So please in the interests of not being an unforgivable Islamophobic bigot change your hegemonic initialism to "AHHOMVOWIWAHTAFIBASCTDNTMTWS".
calendargirl
(191 posts).
Albertoo
(2,016 posts)1- some people still revel in denial
2- can you find something more catchy than AHHOMVOWIWAHTAFIBASCTDNTMTWS?
Kahina_Loren
(19 posts)More and related:
Mum and three daughters stabbed in France for being 'too scantily dressed'
A mother and her three daughters have been stabbed in France for apparently being too 'scantily dressed'.
An eight-year-old girl is said to be fighting for her life after suffering a punctured lung in the knife attack in the Hautes-Alpes region.
http://www.itv.com/news/2016-07-19/mum-and-three-daughters-stabbed-in-france-for-being-too-scantily-dressed/
calendargirl
(191 posts)For wearing shorts and t-shirts on holiday in the summertime. Was Mohamed B. a lone wolf attacker too?
Albertoo
(2,016 posts)After all, stabbing girls for wearing bermuda shorts is probably OK if wearing bermuda shorts is unislamic. Who knows?