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DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 06:33 AM Jul 2016

Cops sorry for shooting black guy. They actually wanted to shoot autistic guy playing with toy car.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/charles-kinsey-shot-accidentally_us_579144d3e4b00c9876cecb95

The officer “thought Kinsey’s life was in danger,” John Rivera, head of the Miami-Dade Police Benevolent Association, said at a news conference.

Kinsey said from his hospital bed he was lying in the street Monday with his hands up when he was shot. He said he had been trying to calm an adult patient with autism who was playing with a toy truck in the street after running away from a nearby care facility.

“This isn’t a mistake in the sense that the officer shot the wrong guy, or that Mr. Kinsey was the bad guy,” Rivera said. “It was a mistake in the sense that he thought Mr. Kinsey was a victim and was about to lose his life. And so he attempted to stop the white male and accidentally shot Mr. Kinsey.”

Rivera said the officer wasn’t aiming for Kinsey when he fired.

He couldn’t explain why, after the shooting, officers rolled the bleeding Kinsey to his side and handcuffed him.




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Worst. Excuse. Ever.
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Cops sorry for shooting black guy. They actually wanted to shoot autistic guy playing with toy car. (Original Post) DetlefK Jul 2016 OP
I would have gone exboyfil Jul 2016 #1
How does this explain the arrest? Beakybird Jul 2016 #2
It doesn't exboyfil Jul 2016 #5
It was accidental awoke_in_2003 Jul 2016 #39
I suppose if you're a cop and you've shot someone EL34x4 Jul 2016 #46
"that is how I am trained, and I got spooked" alcibiades_mystery Jul 2016 #29
As someone who recently had clear legal justification to open fire on a home invader.... Socal31 Jul 2016 #3
But that is exactly what their "more training" is for--to teach them not tblue37 Jul 2016 #40
Once you identify a clear threat, then yes. Socal31 Jul 2016 #42
I saw this on the news last night anoNY42 Jul 2016 #4
He was apparently a member of the SWAT team, too, according to the report auntpurl Jul 2016 #6
It feels weird to be thankful that the cop was a terrible shot anoNY42 Jul 2016 #24
I have a hard time believving this story... Adrahil Jul 2016 #12
The cop pulled off three rounds from a long gun rateyes Jul 2016 #7
He did miss two out of three shots. LisaL Jul 2016 #8
Well, a guy laying prone on the ground is a smaller target rateyes Jul 2016 #10
The guy claims his "target" was an autistic man with a toy truck. LisaL Jul 2016 #11
I am saying the guy is lying. He hit his target. rateyes Jul 2016 #14
Yup AllyCat Jul 2016 #32
I think this was a negligent discharge. Adrahil Jul 2016 #13
This /. They still confirmed when asked why the cop shot, he said "I don't know" jmg257 Jul 2016 #15
That is probably what happened. And if the cop rateyes Jul 2016 #16
Yup. Agree 100% Adrahil Jul 2016 #18
If he goes with his story exboyfil Jul 2016 #28
The cops almost always get let off he hook for this stuff AllyCat Jul 2016 #31
Three times???? Photographer Jul 2016 #23
Well, exactly. LisaL Jul 2016 #25
Maybe the first was a Negligent Discharge JustABozoOnThisBus Jul 2016 #59
The old "I shot the wrong unarmed person" defense. Vinca Jul 2016 #9
so they were ACTUALLY trying to shoot the autistic guy instead of the black guy forjusticethunders Jul 2016 #17
No. Unlikely, IMO. Adrahil Jul 2016 #19
First I heard abut 3 round burst citood Jul 2016 #34
Well, don't know for sure in this case... Adrahil Jul 2016 #49
Personally I think he had his finger on the trigger and...whoops citood Jul 2016 #55
Isn't a 3 round burst an automatic weapon? Nt Logical Jul 2016 #47
Yep. Some cops use them. Adrahil Jul 2016 #50
I doubt it. They would have kept shooting u til they hit hit him Liberal_in_LA Jul 2016 #43
John Rivera is a pendejo. Scurrilous Jul 2016 #20
What did you expect? SwankyXomb Jul 2016 #37
When this kind of thing happens, the ENTIRE COP ORGANIZATION needs to be investigated. Stinky The Clown Jul 2016 #21
The idiot "cop" attempted to murder a African American rockfordfile Jul 2016 #22
Well, gosh, doesn't that make us all feel so much better? AllyCat Jul 2016 #26
He shot an unarmed man and then handcuffed him liberal N proud Jul 2016 #27
Seriously, wtf. uppityperson Jul 2016 #41
Incredibly stupid, mentally unstable, or murderer. I see no other explanation. eom Festivito Jul 2016 #30
They have a scope they could see it was a toy truck. Dustlawyer Jul 2016 #33
I live just south of Miami tavernier Jul 2016 #52
And people ask me why I wake up at 3am having a panic attack Ilsa Jul 2016 #35
+1 n/t lumberjack_jeff Jul 2016 #38
Obvious lie is obvious. MohRokTah Jul 2016 #36
So, Barney should have kept the bullet in his shirt pocket? Liberal In Texas Jul 2016 #44
This is getting kafkaesque. Taitertots Jul 2016 #45
No sh*t etherealtruth Jul 2016 #51
but, but, but edhopper Jul 2016 #48
The handcuffing with no first aid is just as big a story as the shooting. NutmegYankee Jul 2016 #53
Exactly! Liberal_in_LA Jul 2016 #57
I am beginning to see a pattern of the cops and the 911 operator have already Jim Beard Jul 2016 #54
Its just jaw droppingly stupid that the police thought concocting a story about procon Jul 2016 #56
Sue the everloving shit out of them! What a fucked up story full of cops lying like thieves. Rex Jul 2016 #58

exboyfil

(17,867 posts)
1. I would have gone
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 06:41 AM
Jul 2016

with I was an idiot and had my rifle set to three shot burst. I then was a further idiot and accidentally squeezed the trigger because that is how I am trained, and I got spooked.

exboyfil

(17,867 posts)
5. It doesn't
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 07:00 AM
Jul 2016

Still I think an "accidental discharge" is better than claiming an intentional shot.

The very dedicated health care worker is looking at a sizable settlement no matter what. If I am being tried by a jury, I would prefer to claim an accident than an intentional shooting.

 

EL34x4

(2,003 posts)
46. I suppose if you're a cop and you've shot someone
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 08:58 AM
Jul 2016

you should at least have the common decency to arrest them for something.

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
29. "that is how I am trained, and I got spooked"
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 09:26 AM
Jul 2016

Yes, that's far more believable: incompetence, stupidity, and poor training, peppered with a (un)healthy dose of implicit bias racism. This does seem to be a plausible excuse for most of these outrageous police shootings of innocent black men and women.

Socal31

(2,484 posts)
3. As someone who recently had clear legal justification to open fire on a home invader....
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 06:52 AM
Jul 2016

But was able to hold off for a split second, which made the difference....

I am amazed that these guys with more training, constantly exhibit poor trigger discipline. Particularly in situations where they have an option to de-escalate.

tblue37

(65,554 posts)
40. But that is exactly what their "more training" is for--to teach them not
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 11:45 PM
Jul 2016

to hesitate but to shoot right away.

Socal31

(2,484 posts)
42. Once you identify a clear threat, then yes.
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 12:12 AM
Jul 2016

But the types of things we are seeing with hair trigger, hesitant discharges is something completely different.

 

anoNY42

(670 posts)
4. I saw this on the news last night
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 06:52 AM
Jul 2016

and snorted. The supposedly highly-trained cop with a rifle good for about 500 meters effective range couldn't hit his target at 30 meters? This just boggles the mind. The guy should be fired for being a terrible shot, if nothing else.

Back in the Army, the 50 meter targets on the shooting range were the ones you really could not miss.

auntpurl

(4,311 posts)
6. He was apparently a member of the SWAT team, too, according to the report
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 07:03 AM
Jul 2016

You'd think they'd be trained better for shooting?

Regardless, I'm quite glad it was the caregiver shot (with a non-lethal shot) than the autistic client. I hope that doesn't sound bad in any way. I'm a mental health professional, and I know I would want this outcome rather than my client be harmed on my watch, especially since it seems the caregiver is going to completely recover. I guess we should all thank god this police officer wasn't a better shot? Or else it would have been a dead autistic person shot through the heart in the street, all for the crime of having a toy truck in his hand.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
12. I have a hard time believving this story...
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 08:05 AM
Jul 2016

If it's tue, that cop should never fire a gun again. What a terrible shot.

rateyes

(17,438 posts)
7. The cop pulled off three rounds from a long gun
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 07:20 AM
Jul 2016

at close range, and missed his target? Bullshit. A blind monkey could make that shot. Plus, he was told by the victim that he was a counselor, the other guy had a toy truck and no guns were needed. Then, after the shooting they handcuffed the guy the cop was supposedly trying to protect and let him bleed for 20 mins?

If this cop gets off with this explanation, I hate to think what will happen.

LisaL

(44,986 posts)
8. He did miss two out of three shots.
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 07:33 AM
Jul 2016

So I guess he isn't such a good shot. Still doesn't explain why he would try to shoot a guy playing with a toy truck. Or why they would put the counselor in handcuffs if he was the one they were trying to protect from a guy with a toy truck.

rateyes

(17,438 posts)
10. Well, a guy laying prone on the ground is a smaller target
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 07:57 AM
Jul 2016

than one sitting upright. This guy was saying he missed his target by three or four feet. The guy hit his target once.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
13. I think this was a negligent discharge.
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 08:07 AM
Jul 2016

The arrest was an attempt to cover up their fuck up, but then the video emerges, and they can't go with that story.

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
15. This /. They still confirmed when asked why the cop shot, he said "I don't know"
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 08:13 AM
Jul 2016

even when other cops asked him.

rateyes

(17,438 posts)
16. That is probably what happened. And if the cop
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 08:15 AM
Jul 2016

is smart, he will come clean about it. Otherwise, the prick is going to jail. If charges aren't brought against this cop, if he sticks with this explanation, then the DA there should lose his job.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
18. Yup. Agree 100%
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 08:31 AM
Jul 2016

If he says "I fucked up." ND. He takes a hit on the job (maybe fired), the Department gets sued they pay out a couple million bucks.

If he persists with this bullshit, then we get into Obstruction of Justice, jail time, AND he gets fired, the Departments gets sued and pays out millions of bucks.

exboyfil

(17,867 posts)
28. If he goes with his story
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 09:24 AM
Jul 2016

then it is an intentional assault. it would easily be manslaughter if either one had died. It is much worse than the guy shot reaching into his car for an ID.

Another wrinkle. If he was shooting at the autistic man, then that man also has justification for a lawsuit.

In no way does a story involving intentional discharge make sense for him or for the city.

AllyCat

(16,271 posts)
31. The cops almost always get let off he hook for this stuff
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 09:30 AM
Jul 2016

I don't trust our justice system to do the right thing. And he shot 3 times. That's not accidental discharge.

 

forjusticethunders

(1,151 posts)
17. so they were ACTUALLY trying to shoot the autistic guy instead of the black guy
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 08:23 AM
Jul 2016

well lucky for me I'm black........................AND autistic!!!

woohoo.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
19. No. Unlikely, IMO.
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 08:33 AM
Jul 2016

Negligent Discharge (the cop had his booger hook on the trigger and twitched for some reason. The weapon selector was probably on 3-round burst (another no-no in such a situation), and let off 3 shots. The rest is a lame-ass cover story to protect the shit cop.

citood

(550 posts)
34. First I heard abut 3 round burst
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 09:44 AM
Jul 2016

Really, this is the first I heard it was a rifle. They brought out the hardware on this one.

But...do the police typically have selectors with 3 round burst? Seems very odd for policing in a civilian world. I was in the army when we converted from full auto to 3 round burst, and they had us do a side by side test, to convince us it was a good idea. And, the 3 round burst was much more accurate than full auto...but, it was still not a tight shot group. The rifle moves and doesn't have time to settle back in. If you're using 3 round burst, its almost guaranteed that at least one shot will miss the mark - and who knows what may get hit.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
49. Well, don't know for sure in this case...
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 09:13 AM
Jul 2016

But police can use automatic weapons. Some departments do, some don't. But the facts incline me that way. He hit with one shot out of three. My theory is he hit with the first shot and missed with the other two due to muzzle climb. If he missed a stationary target two out of three times at less than 50 feet, this man should be no where near a gun.

citood

(550 posts)
55. Personally I think he had his finger on the trigger and...whoops
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 10:40 AM
Jul 2016

Nobody misses by a couple of feet at that range.

SwankyXomb

(2,030 posts)
37. What did you expect?
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 12:45 PM
Jul 2016

The only thing Kop Unions do is shield their members from the legal consequences of their actions.

Stinky The Clown

(67,849 posts)
21. When this kind of thing happens, the ENTIRE COP ORGANIZATION needs to be investigated.
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 08:37 AM
Jul 2016

Some questions:

How was the shooter trained?

What was the general culture of the cop department? "Them vs Us"?

When was the last time the shooter went into a simulator?

Was the shooter stressed? Personal issues? Money problems? Marriage crisis?

Did the shooter ever shoot before? Any civilian complaints against him?

These things happen when a whole confluence of factors come together in a randomly perfect alignment.

rockfordfile

(8,712 posts)
22. The idiot "cop" attempted to murder a African American
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 08:44 AM
Jul 2016

The Police Departments need a cleaning of the problems that plaque them. There needs to be system to start checking all the Police Departments for mental problems, training problems etc.. There's clearly a major problem.

uppityperson

(115,681 posts)
41. Seriously, wtf.
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 11:52 PM
Jul 2016
What the officer didn’t know was what the white [patient’s] intentions. He thought Mr. Kinsey was about to be killed.

And then handcuffed him. For some reason. Maybe because he'd been shot, so was obviously a threat?

Seriously. WTF

Dustlawyer

(10,499 posts)
33. They have a scope they could see it was a toy truck.
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 09:39 AM
Jul 2016

They told the therapist to "shut up" so they didn't want information as to what the situation was.

They have rifles shooting a stationary close target, couldn't miss.

Sorriest excuse I ever heard of. Funny he didn't know why he shot the man, but after a few days reflection he remembered he was shooting at the handicapped man sitting harmlessly and non-threatening to save the guy with his hands up.

Shame!

tavernier

(12,429 posts)
52. I live just south of Miami
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 09:31 AM
Jul 2016

The newscasters always reported it as the caretaker being accidentally shot because they were trying to protect him.

That statement made no sense then and less now, considering they acted as if the caretaker was a criminal directly following.

Ilsa

(61,720 posts)
35. And people ask me why I wake up at 3am having a panic attack
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 10:18 AM
Jul 2016

while my autiistic son sleeps in the next room.

I'm terrified for him and someone will call the police, and those people will be so poorly trained that they lock him up, even for an hour, with actual dangerous men.

Liberal In Texas

(13,622 posts)
44. So, Barney should have kept the bullet in his shirt pocket?
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 12:58 AM
Jul 2016

Good grief....these guys can't shoot straight and shouldn't even shoot at all apparently.

What a bunch of idiots.

 

Taitertots

(7,745 posts)
45. This is getting kafkaesque.
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 08:49 AM
Jul 2016

In what world is this not an admission of guilt?

"I hit the unarmed black guy because I was trying to execute an unarmed mentally disabled person for not listening to me. Then I had to hand cuff him and try to kill him by denying first aid, for his own safety"

NutmegYankee

(16,207 posts)
53. The handcuffing with no first aid is just as big a story as the shooting.
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 09:38 AM
Jul 2016

Common human empathy/decency demands that you put pressure on the wound. These cops bound the man and let him bleed out till an ambulance arrived a really late 20 minutes later.

 

Jim Beard

(2,535 posts)
54. I am beginning to see a pattern of the cops and the 911 operator have already
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 09:48 AM
Jul 2016

assessed the situation before they arrive on the scene. Motorist calls 911 and reports two men with machine guns and cops don't wait to see what is happening.

procon

(15,805 posts)
56. Its just jaw droppingly stupid that the police thought concocting a story about
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 11:20 AM
Jul 2016

shooting a disabled person would somehow create a more acceptable public impression of their incompetence than just the willy-nilly shooting another black guy.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
58. Sue the everloving shit out of them! What a fucked up story full of cops lying like thieves.
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 12:57 PM
Jul 2016

I don't know if I ever read such a fucked up police brutality story. This one goes so far over the top...just wow...

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