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highprincipleswork

(3,111 posts)
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 12:58 PM Jul 2016

Disallowing Nina Turner the chance to put Bernie Sanders into nomination seems a big mistake to me.

Like you, or many of you, I have been enjoying to the max the spirit of this convention. But this seems like an unnecessary error to me.





I am sure that including a video with Susan Sarandon in it will put some of you in a frenzy. But if you listen to what they are saying, there is a very real point. If this is how this campaign treats those who have supported Senator Sanders (no matter how assholish some of them have acted at times) it does not bode well for unity or for Progressive progress in this country.

I thought President Obama had it right with his shout-out last night to the energy and dedication of the Sanders supporters. I believe he is wise enough to know that you win elections by including more people, especially those who already want to vote for you, than you do by excluding them.

From this admittedly limited vantage point, not allowing Nina Turner to speak and put Bernie into nomination seems a picayune and wrong-headed decision, an unnecessary loss.

I hope that all Democrats can appreciate that the numbers are approximately 50/50 in that hall and act accordingly.
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Disallowing Nina Turner the chance to put Bernie Sanders into nomination seems a big mistake to me. (Original Post) highprincipleswork Jul 2016 OP
Not if she was going to pull a Cruz or worse liberal N proud Jul 2016 #1
She played and lost bluedye33139 Jul 2016 #2
There is a time and place for them. apcalc Jul 2016 #3
If she does not support Clinton in the general election... Skinner Jul 2016 #4
Exactly DonRedwood Jul 2016 #6
+1 nt brer cat Jul 2016 #12
Whenever I saw her on TV I turned the channel katmondoo Jul 2016 #5
Agreed. sarae Jul 2016 #18
If Bernie had really wanted her up there, Lisa D Jul 2016 #7
It was part his decision tallahasseedem Jul 2016 #25
if she's not supporting the nominee and is prone to outbursts, then probably geek tragedy Jul 2016 #8
Wasn't nominating day on Monday? WhiteTara Jul 2016 #9
Yes and Rep. Tulsi Gabbard (D-Hawaii) nominated Bernie Sanders csziggy Jul 2016 #16
So what is she going on and on about? WhiteTara Jul 2016 #20
She wants air time - the Sanders campaign is over and he is supporting Clinton nt csziggy Jul 2016 #22
She says she is going to support Jill Stein Cali_Democrat Jul 2016 #10
She is the future of the Democratic Party. JEB Jul 2016 #11
I doubt the party's future is supporting other parties whatthehey Jul 2016 #14
No, apparently she is the future of the Green Party. n/t BeeBee Jul 2016 #15
Our loss is their gain. She is absolutely spot on JEB Jul 2016 #17
The Green Party has no real future. MineralMan Jul 2016 #31
Bernie lost. Nina is not a Democrat. She deserves NOTHING. Lil Missy Jul 2016 #13
If she's supporting the Dem nominee, I don't think she should be allowed to speak. sarae Jul 2016 #19
"I'm from the Shirley Chisholm wing of the Democratic Party, LWolf Jul 2016 #21
She's on MSNBC right now, for the 1 bazillionth time, talking about not being heard. nolabear Jul 2016 #23
they are playing up the 'controversy' every change they get spanone Jul 2016 #24
With her endorsement of Jill Stein, she just "Cynthia McKinney'd" herself. Who is Cynthia McKinney? Tarheel_Dem Jul 2016 #26
I think the Sanders campaign stopped her. I notice she uses murky words sufrommich Jul 2016 #27
It's time to support the Democratic nominee or leave. kestrel91316 Jul 2016 #28
Scuttlebutt is that Turner will be asked to be Jill Stein's running mate. Starry Messenger Jul 2016 #29
By publicly supporting Jill Stein, Turner has overtly violated the rules of the DNC convention: LongtimeAZDem Jul 2016 #30
If she is not willing to publicly support Clinton... Adrahil Jul 2016 #32

bluedye33139

(1,474 posts)
2. She played and lost
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 01:05 PM
Jul 2016

To parlay her name to greater recognition and more influence, she wanted to pull this stunt, but did not have the power to do so. I'm not angry at her. She is a professional politician and she's playing the game with what I said she has. But she played amd lost.

Edit: actually, if she does become as a martyr of the Revolution, she will have won.

apcalc

(4,465 posts)
3. There is a time and place for them.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 01:06 PM
Jul 2016

It is not the time , nor the place. Now, let's get a democrat elected first ...then we can re-visit .

Skinner

(63,645 posts)
4. If she does not support Clinton in the general election...
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 01:09 PM
Jul 2016

...she shouldn't have a speaking role at the Democratic convention. It's really very simple.

Lisa D

(1,532 posts)
7. If Bernie had really wanted her up there,
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 01:13 PM
Jul 2016

she would have been up there. Maybe he heard the rumblings of a Nina Turner veep movement.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
8. if she's not supporting the nominee and is prone to outbursts, then probably
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 01:16 PM
Jul 2016

not a good person to have at a critical moment like that

Bernie got the same number of nominating speeches as Hillary did.

csziggy

(34,144 posts)
16. Yes and Rep. Tulsi Gabbard (D-Hawaii) nominated Bernie Sanders
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 01:58 PM
Jul 2016

The full roll call was held, Sec. Clinton got the most votes and Sen. Sanders threw his support to Hillary Clinton. It is over for his campaign - though it is not over for his movement. Unless his more fanatical followers alienate so many potential supporters that they kill it.

Bernie Sanders did not seem to have a problem with Rep. Tulsi Gabbard placing his name into nomination. SANDERS is the one that Turner should have this discussion with. IF he really wanted her to nominate him, I bet it would have happened.

 

JEB

(4,748 posts)
17. Our loss is their gain. She is absolutely spot on
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 02:02 PM
Jul 2016

on many issues and a very passionate advocate for working class people.

MineralMan

(146,395 posts)
31. The Green Party has no real future.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 03:53 PM
Jul 2016

Not as long as it fields wholly unqualified candidates like Jill Stein.

Lil Missy

(17,865 posts)
13. Bernie lost. Nina is not a Democrat. She deserves NOTHING.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 01:40 PM
Jul 2016

She can go speak at the Jill Stein convention.

Our nominee is Hillary Clinton. Those who don't support her shouldn't get so much as the time of day.

sarae

(3,284 posts)
19. If she's supporting the Dem nominee, I don't think she should be allowed to speak.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 02:05 PM
Jul 2016

Not only that, but she has indirectly called Clinton sociopathic:
https://twitter.com/activist360/status/758657652889096192



LWolf

(46,179 posts)
21. "I'm from the Shirley Chisholm wing of the Democratic Party,
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 02:45 PM
Jul 2016

and I'm not going to make it easy for them."

Tarheel_Dem

(31,275 posts)
26. With her endorsement of Jill Stein, she just "Cynthia McKinney'd" herself. Who is Cynthia McKinney?
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 03:21 PM
Jul 2016

You've probably forgotten all about her, because she is totally irrelevant now, and Nina is on the same path.

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
27. I think the Sanders campaign stopped her. I notice she uses murky words
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 03:25 PM
Jul 2016

when asked outright about it and I've yet to see the Sanders people say a peep about it.

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
28. It's time to support the Democratic nominee or leave.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 03:39 PM
Jul 2016

I say this as someone who supported Bernie with all my heart. I still support him.

But HE IS NOT THE NOMINEE. His supporters need to grow up and understand that they didn't win this fight.

The diehards totally lost me with their shameful behavior toward Cummings and Lewis.

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
29. Scuttlebutt is that Turner will be asked to be Jill Stein's running mate.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 03:41 PM
Jul 2016

Not sure where you guys want this to go. The Greens consider the Democratic Party the opposition and behave accordingly. If they wanted to act in coalition, there might be more of an opening, but so far everything that I have seen as public behavior suggests the opposite.

LongtimeAZDem

(4,494 posts)
30. By publicly supporting Jill Stein, Turner has overtly violated the rules of the DNC convention:
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 03:42 PM
Jul 2016

"Responsibility: By participating in the Democratic National Convention, each delegate assumes the responsibility for
doing all within his or her power to assure that voters of his or her state will have the opportunity to cast their election ballots for the Presidential and Vice Presidential nominees selected by the Convention or, should a vacancy arise, pursuant to Article VIII.G. of these rules, and expressly agrees that he or she will not publicly support or
campaign for any candidate for President or Vice President other than the nominees of the Democratic National Convention
, or, should a vacancy arise, the nominee(s) selected pursuant to Article VIII.G."

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
32. If she is not willing to publicly support Clinton...
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 05:12 PM
Jul 2016

She shouldn't be allowed to speak at the convention. Period.

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