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(25,816 posts)oioioi
(1,127 posts)The end will, I suspect, be entertaining, at least. Hopefully the Lords of the Flies in the TV towers will turn upon their escaped monster with great enthusiasm - there's nothing quite like a new product and market to excite them - and, of course, there is no honor among thieves.
panader0
(25,816 posts)When I play the numbers.
vadermike
(1,417 posts)But we will still work like hell no matter what No complacency here Now it looks like trump is trying to get out of the debates by whining about them
oioioi
(1,127 posts)StraightRazor
(260 posts)but, um...America.
oioioi
(1,127 posts)StraightRazor
(260 posts)but I wouldn't bet on the 'overwhelmingly' part.
Wednesdays
(17,487 posts)Nothing more need be said.
StraightRazor
(260 posts)Twice.
ProfessorGAC
(65,427 posts). . .he would have been shown the gate in 2004. Too many americans are way too afraid.
StraightRazor
(260 posts)but in retrospect, I have the feeling (though it is admittedly conspiracy-ish) that since they were looking (hoping?) for such an event, that at some point during the first term, something would have happened even if what did happen didn't that would have garnered very much the same outcome re war & fear.
But, had all things been equal in 2004 you're right W would have been a one-term President.
PDittie
(8,322 posts)Might be a little closer than that, but not much closer.
oioioi
(1,127 posts)The RABA poll showed Clinton opening up a 7 point lead with men (42%-35%), a 22 point lead with women (50%-28%). Clinton also had 14% of the Republican vote, and she led by double digits with all age groups.
From www.politicsusa.com
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)but this data is what got me to kick!
Orsino
(37,428 posts)If he's even still on the ticket in November.
oioioi
(1,127 posts)I want to say 50 states. I cannot believe a majority in any US State would elect this idiot.
It probably won't be 50, but thereabouts.
Iggo
(47,597 posts)Orsino
(37,428 posts)One fond wish I have is for better Republicans to run, so as to make our Dems have to work to be better. I believe that Trump was always going to make it easy, and if I've been wrong for eleven months in saying he'd quit, I still think I may turn out belatedly correct.
Does trump dare to waste his time running behind Clinto toward an inevitable loss? I don't see how hedl be able to stand it. He's trying to wiggle out of the debates, and something tells me he's going to quit his campaign (as he did every previous time).
The Second Stone
(2,900 posts)whatthehey
(3,660 posts)But there's 180 or so EVs that are all but guaranteed in the big red L. We can, deservedly, coo over close polls in UT and a lead in GA but there's little hope that they won't shift safely red by Nov. The days of 64 and 84 style shellackings are gone for quite a while, even with a toxic enemy nominee. Most of that L would vote for Idi Amin (R) over Mother Teresa (D) all day every day without a thought, thanks to a generation of poisonous mind pollution on radio and TV plus a carefully honed RWNJ system of twisted apologetics that makes the RCC sound like a world class research paper in re objective empiricism and sound logic.
When I'm in a positive mood 358-180 seems about right. In a funk maybe 313-225. Will probably end up in the middle, closer to the latter. A solid win, but no Mondalesque drubbing.
oioioi
(1,127 posts)says 368.
If she wins SC, MS, KS, MO, IN it will be well over 400. Those poll leads will surely be gone with the latest stories - the bottom for The Donald is a long way down just yet, I suspect.
It's not going to be even slightly close. Not remotely. How could a voting majority in any state continue to support this farce?
whatthehey
(3,660 posts)Because the first three states you mention are wild pipedreams. Trump could bugger a boy scout on live TV and carry them. The last two in a +12 or so popular vote win may be achievable, but right now we are averaging about a +8 and there are no overriding local criteria. Typically polls narrow from here on in. Trump of course is not typical but Republican voters are, and many on DU underestimate how much in the minds of many the qualitities of patriotism, decency and social acceptability are tied up in the (R) regardless of whose name comes first.