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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsRoe vs. Wade will be overturned if Donald Trump wins, Mike Pence says
http://www.latimes.com/nation/politics/trailguide/la-na-democratic-convention-2016-live-pence-says-roe-v-wade-will-be-1469737388-htmlstory.htmlIm pro-life and I dont apologize for it, he said during a town hall meeting here. Well see Roe vs. Wade consigned to the ash heap of history where it belongs.
The comments made in a conservative stronghold that strongly supported Texas Sen. Ted Cruz over Trump in the Michigan primary were part of a broader argument Pence has been making on the stakes of the election: Voters need to consider that the next president will likely select multiple Supreme Court justices.
Pence said Trump would appoint strict constitutionalists in the mold of the late Justice Antonin Scalia.
So all that religious far right babbling inanity in their platform, you know, criminalizing reproductive choice, teaching the bible in public schools, declaring internet porn a "public health crisis", rolling back equality for LGBT citizens- yeah, they're serious about it.
...it's not like anyone can say they weren't warned.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Well, Wolf, I think it was given the enormous stature that Colin Powell rightly has, not only in America but in the world community, it was a sad day... And the truth is that Colin Powell had an opportunity here to reaffirm this president's commitment to abstinence as the best choice for our young people, and he chose not to do that in the first instance, but and so I think it's very sad. The other part is that, frankly, condoms are a very, very poor protection against sexually transmitted diseases, and in that sense, Wolf, this was the secretary of state maybe inadvertently misleading millions of young people and endangering lives.
Uh-huh. Condoms, the physical barrier which the CDC says are "highly effective" at preventing STDs, offer poor protection, according to Mike Pence, M.D. But he didn't stop there:
I just simply believe the only truly safe sex, Wolf, as the president believes, is no sex. And we ought to, with leaders of the stature of the secretary of state, we ought to be sending a message to kids across the country and the opportunity had across the world that abstinence is the best choice for young people. But let's be clear, last year, the National Institute of Health, Wolf, and some 28 separate experts said at least a half dozen to ten sexually transmitted diseases for which condom use has zero preventative value. The secretary of state is simply wrong.
LuvNewcastle
(16,867 posts)ask assholes like Pence if they ever had pre-marital or extra-marital sex? That would be the first question I would ask these fucking pricks. Hardly anyone these days is a virgin when they get married. Force them to discuss reality, not some biblical standard that the vast majority of people ignore.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)I vaguely remember the crap around Colin Powell being in trouble because he didn't "promote abstinence".
Right, people in Africa were dying of AIDS, and he's supposed to tell them "just don't have sex"
thucythucy
(8,134 posts)if he would encourage people to masturbate as an alternative to icky icky sex with another human being.
Dollars against donuts he'd find some reason to oppose masturbation as well.
America: meet the Junior Anti-Sex League!
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Johnny2X2X
(19,286 posts)The left has done a poor job of making sure women know what this would mean to them. It's a right that is exercised by a large % of women in their lifetimes and it is 100% gone should Trump get into office.
Abortion will be gone and they will close planned parenthood all together. Access to birth control will be severely limited. They want to go back to the dark ages for women. It's all about controlling what women do with their bodies and punishing women for sex. The Taliban can happen here.
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MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)Problem is old white guys, and a lot of young white guys, often don't care about women's rights.
Johnny2X2X
(19,286 posts)But I see a lot of complacent liberal women who don't even seem to have this in their radar. Like they either think it won't happen or that it's not that big of a deal.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)with lots of liberal and independent friends.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)the beltway and operate on these assumptions which are at least 10 years out of date, if not more.
This translates, to be sure, into a reflexive hesitation to push social issues as hard as they ought to be pushed, and it definitely explains the lag in our party's response to the sea changes in public opinion being driven by the Millennial generation.
This is why it took as long as it did for our leadership to come around on marriage equality. Too many advisors live in fear of the mythical "values voter" of the 2004 election, which was never really that all powerful to begin with, and certainly isn't now.
Most Americans are pro-choice. Most Americans, now, support marijuana legalization. Strong emphasis on personal freedom issues like this would HELP us, not hurt us.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)davidn3600
(6,342 posts)They claim it causes erectile dysfunction.
I'm not kidding. I can show you the links.....
auntpurl
(4,311 posts)MH1
(17,635 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Gail Dines has pretty clearly declared which side she's on, namely, the side of Rick Santorum, he AFA and Right Wing Christian Conservatism.
Not surprising to people who have paid attention, however, she never really had much of a following to begin with.
I suspect most people on our side understand that even though there may be entertainment media and things we don't agree with or particularly like for ourselves (Nickelback springs to mind) in a free and pluralistic society censoring what consenting adults can read or watch is never a good idea.
Dorian Gray
(13,535 posts)if our country becomes a dystopian Dictatorial nightmare. Clinton's platform should include the banning of Nickelback.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Odin2005
(53,521 posts)I've heard several stories about porn addicts who couldn't keep it up when it came to actual sex because they became so habituated and desensitized by porn that ordinary sex is no longer stimulating enough.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Look, people can become behaviorally habituated to anything, to the point of it causing a subjectively detrimental effect in their lives- shopping, watching "ice road truckers", eating ice cream, etc.
However, "porn addiction" is a bullshit term spread by people with an anti-porn agenda; mostly, members of the religious right and their allies- trying to define perfectly normal behavior as somehow "addictive and harmful". Rinse, repeat, same old same old.
Amanda Marcotte: No, Porn Addiction Is Not Really A Thing
spanone
(135,950 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)like, the only people they can reasonably envision getting to the polls are the hard-core conservative right Christians.
Rustyeye77
(2,736 posts)No Pence, you'll be consigned to ash heap of history.
auntpurl
(4,311 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)Snarkoleptic
(6,002 posts)n/t
StraightRazor
(260 posts)and once again they will never do anything of the sort.
This is their one, last 'single issue' that they need to be able to drag out in order to corral the Christian Right into voting for them. They need Roe V. Wade in place in order to cynically use it in elections ranging from President to Dog Catcher.
Just more of the same.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)ProfessorGAC
(65,427 posts). . .with absolutely no specifics as to how they would go about turning over a Supreme Court decision.
Par for the course.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)so that right there is incentive to vote for our ticket.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Hawaii Hiker
(3,166 posts)a Trump judge would be no different than the 2 aforementioned....We are a socially liberal country (for the most part) and far right social conservatism is a dying breed..
oioioi
(1,127 posts)The RABA poll showed Clinton opening up a 7 point lead with men (42%-35%), a 22 point lead with women (50%-28%).
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)So yes.
roamer65
(36,748 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)They are advocating far right positions way outside the mainstream of American thought, that is not a bad idea either.
kentuck
(111,111 posts)They fear that their base is slipping thru their fingers.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)I mean, how do they reconcile that with wanting to outlaw nude pictures on the internet?
lpbk2713
(42,775 posts)But at this point in time I think whatever Trump might or might not do from the Oval Office is irrelevant.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)I mean, fuck, read their platform!
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)RoyJ13
(4 posts)Keep talking Mr. Pence, your comments will only drive away more moderate voters, which will destroy any chances of the GOP winning this year. God, why can't these fundie morons leave us alone?
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)miserable, too?
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Obviously not anyone who has read our platform and compared it with the religious right clusterfuck that is theirs- roll back LGBT equality, outlaw abortion and contraception, declare pornography a "public health crisis", teach the Bible in public schools....
seems to me a very stark contrast between the sanity of our party and the bugfuck batshittery of the GOP.