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How Drones Help Al Qaedahttp://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/14/opinion/how-drones-help-al-qaeda.html?_r=1
Drone strikes are causing more and more Yemenis to hate America and join radical militants; they are not driven by ideology but rather by a sense of revenge and despair. Robert Grenier, the former head of the C.I.A.s counterterrorism center, has warned that the American drone program in Yemen risks turning the country into a safe haven for Al Qaeda like the tribal areas of Pakistan the Arabian equivalent of Waziristan.
Anti-Americanism is far less prevalent in Yemen than in Pakistan. But rather than winning the hearts and minds of Yemeni civilians, America is alienating them by killing their relatives and friends. Indeed, the drone program is leading to the Talibanization of vast tribal areas and the radicalization of people who could otherwise be Americas allies in the fight against terrorism in Yemen.
The first known drone strike in Yemen to be authorized by Mr. Obama, in late 2009, left 14 women and 21 children dead in the southern town of al-Majala, according to a parliamentary report. Only one of the dozens killed was identified as having strong Qaeda connections.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)You can show people the statements of accused Terrorists about why they are willing to sacrifice their lives to harm Americans and the evidence of what radicalized them, and how they almost unanimously cite the desire to avenge U.S.-caused civilian deaths. You can show them studies commissioned by the U.S. Pentagon which document the same thing. You can show them statements from the U.S. Government itself explaining that the 9/11 attackers were motivated by a desire to avenge U.S. aggression and deter further interference in the Muslim world. You can show them the in-depth reporting from American journalists who travel to these countries (or are held hostage there) and then emphatically warn that it is U.S. attacks which are fueling anti-American Terrorism. You can show them experts in these countries who devote their lives to studying them who issue the same warnings. And you can show them the pleas from the people who live in these countries such as Ibrahim Mothana who are distraught and angry that the U.S. is emboldening Al Qaeda in their country with its ongoing attacks and killing of civilians.
coalition_unwilling
(14,180 posts)bahrbearian
(13,466 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)bahrbearian
(13,466 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Perhaps, I should have made his comments the OP. The pleas of a Yemeni citizen is falling on deaf ears.
bahrbearian
(13,466 posts)Bolo Boffin
(23,796 posts)Who's worse - Obama for ordering the drone strikes that kill innocents or you getting your jollies trolling a discussion board while waving bloody signs about? What's the difference between you and Operation Rescue?
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)emilyg
(22,742 posts)PufPuf23
(8,859 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,596 posts)Thanks for the thread, Luminous Animal.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)So instead of drones, should we occupy Yemen, send in the army and ensure that thousands of women and children die?
FFS, stop raising the drones as if they are the issue. They are NOT the issue.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Ibrahim Mothana offers a solution that does not include a U.S. invasion.
Only a long-term approach based on building relations with local communities, dealing with the economic and social drivers of extremism, and cooperating with tribes and Yemens army will eradicate the threat of Islamic radicalism.
sad sally
(2,627 posts)without a visible army and without formally declaring such.
Are they going away? No. Will other countries besides the US and Israel start using them to wage undeclared wars? Yes. Will one of our growing number of enemies use them on the homeland? Probably.
At some point in the near future this recent non-war-war method is going to require some international intervention regarding rules on the use of drones in non-war-wars.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)Grow the fuck up people, USA has to get its kill on!
morningfog
(18,115 posts)aren't working.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Puregonzo1188
(1,948 posts)have President Romeny?
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)have to overcome with domestic terrorists but the U.S. military.