we`d be discussing the same thing a year or so ago. the thugs were just waiting to get rid of him but that ain`t going to happen

First, let's be honest. The Fast and Furious program was started under BushCo. It was an amazingly stupid response to the absolute lack of control on the border regarding gun smuggling to the Cartels in Mexico. As we all know, the Cartels would be reduced to sling shots in less than a decade if we would ban guns like the other civilized nations. Instead, we keep handing the guns to anyone who has the dollars.

Congressional Oversight is one of our most important checks. We learned the hard way what happens without it. We saw the Viet-Nam war, Nixon's abuses, The Glomar Explorer of Project Jennifer Fame. The CIA assassinating anyone they didn't like without so much as a nod from anyone accountable. The School of the America's training thugs to keep dictators in power in Central and South America. All of these were started, and run, because of lack of Congressional Oversight. Even when we had control of Congress. That is because of the long tradition in Washington of Voting Conservative, and the issuing statements that are liberal.

Congress has the authority to request documents, and wouldn't you like to know who in BushCo cranked this up? Wouldn't you like to know who refused to shut it down when we got the White House from those lying bastards? Why didn't one of the new appointee's take one look at this program and demand to know if someone was insane? It was a stupid idea, which we have long expected from the idiot in chief Bush. Yet we are smarter, and we not only didn't shut it down, we let it expand. WE LET IT. We claim it was to learn who the guns were going to. They weren't going to single moms who valiantly defend their families from hordes of bad guys as the NRA claims. They were going to Criminals. Of course, we already knew that when the Mexican police asked us to identify who bought the gun in the United States and tell us that six Mexican Cops were killed by baddies with that gun.

We already knew they were going to bad guys. There wasn't anything else to learn about the destination except that they were bad guys and they used guns to murder and intimidate the same as the rest of the gun toting racist assholes here in the United States.

I want to know why we didn't do the right thing. Why didn't we shut this down ten seconds after learning about it. Imagine if you will we found out that Bush had violated a treaty and put a Nuclear (Which he can't pronounce to save his life) weapon in space. Would we be angry. You bet your ass we would. Would we forgive Obama for obeying the law? No, we would celebrate that obedience to a higher ideal, the obedience of the treaty that prohibits that action. What would they be able to say if it took them years to admit it?

It was a bad plan from the Bushies, and we should have shut it down ten seconds after we learned about it. Somebody dropped the bowling ball on their foot big time. We are better than this, and we should have just given all the documents to Congress long ago, and then released them to the Press with a description of the program.

"A program started under President Bush was not shut down when we got involved. Those responsible for that program, including the people appointed by us were fired, and face prosecution for violation not only our laws, but those of a sovereign state Mexico. We are appointing a prosecutor to find out when Bush knew, and what he knew. We believe we may find a memo somewhere that shows when aides were able to brief the President on the program using hand puppets."

We had some political cover then. Now, all we have is the cry of witch hunt. But the problem is this. We didn't shut it down, who knows how many Mexican civilians died because of that. Who knows how many Mexican army, and police are dead. All we know for sure is a Border Patrol officer was killed by a gun we gave the cartels. Bush started it. We should have stopped it. We expect this kind of stupidity from them. We are better than that. We should have been better.

Somebody has to pay for this disaster. Right now, Attorney General Holder is the one in the firing line, because he won't give Congress those who are responsible. Of all the things I'm proud of with our President. This is one of those things I am not proud of, I am ashamed of. I really don't understand why we did this. I wish I did. I wish I could understand how, who, and why.

He wouldn't be invoking executive privilege now if he had done the right thing back then.

This has become a witch hunt, not an investigation.

We are struggling to keep this under wraps because now it's election season, and it would be hugely embarrassing. We passed on the smart move, when we first got into power. We passed on the honest move when it because public knowledge. Now we're left with the Nixonian "Executive Privilege" claim. That claim like taking the fifth amendment before a televised congressional hearing is tantamount to admitting that you are guilty of something.

Don't you realize how this looks to the rest of the country? Can't you realize how bad it looks? Cubs, look at it honestly. I wrote more above, but Good Lord how stupid were we? I know we're not Nixon, and YOU know we're not Nixon. But the rest of the country, those twenty percent that will vote like lemmings to whomever they feel like this season, hear that and automatically think NIXON.

Now, on top of Executive Privilege, imagine what that fat drug addict Limbelch is going to be saying. The Chicago way, lie, cheat, and destroy evidence is what he will say. We know that isn't true, but the IMAGE of it makes it true enough for those morons who can't decide what they stand for to turn against us. When they see Television Ad's this fall, it will be during News Programs where it is being announced that Federal Judges are, or are not allowing the claim of Executive Privilege to stand.

This situation with Congress taking apart Fast and Furious like Bush didn't have a thing to do with it is bad. The path we are now headed down is worse. I have to wonder, have the Republicans planted someone in the Obama White House that is somehow giving them this horrible advice? Because if there is a dumber move that our team could have made, I don't know what it could be.

All I did was point out that this is a fucking witch hunt. Spare me your hand-wringing lectures.

And, BTW, I really don't give a flying fuck what Rush Limbaugh says, and neither do most people. After the Sandra Fluke episode, he has lost what little respectability he ever had in the eyes of all but his brain-dead fan club.

But I do hold that they should have ended this illegal and stupid program as soon as they found it. Whether they did it quietly or openly and in full view, they should have ended it.

Then Issa would be looking for some other way to obstruct, but that would be his problem.

You may be tempted to say the Iraq debacle, but remember the end was negotiated under Bush*...Supposedly we ended the Torture program, but notice I said supposedly...

I remember cheering when Candidate (Senator) Obama told us he would do so many things. So many things that we had all protested to try and stop. The PATRIOT act which is an abomination to the Constitution. Warrantless Wiretaps, Guantanamo Bay, and so many other things. When President Obama was elected. I told friends how happy I was that all these Fascist programs were going to come to a halt. I celebrated the victory as common sense American values and the people choosing the rule of law over the scare tactics of the Bush Cabal.

To say I am dissapointed that none of those things ever went away is a bit of an understatement. Yet, as I wait with the rest of you hoping that the Supreme Court will uphold the Affordable Care Act, and the prohibitions against Arizona's racist profiling, I wonder what we'll get in the second term.

Don't get me wrong. I'm a realist, and I understand that President Obama needs to make difficult choices. Yet, how difficult is it to do the right thing? I mean, Warrantless wiretaps. The NSA says they can't tell us how many Americans have been spied upon, because get this, that would violate the right to privacy of the American's that the NSA is spying on.

I read news like that, and I honestly wonder if this is the same Obama we all worked so hard to get elected. Before you complain, obviously I am voting for President Obama this November. I would rather eat a raw turd than vote Rethug. I don't vote for those bastards when they are the only ones on the ballot. But it is dissapointing just the same.

Holder ended it.

We ended it when a Whistleblower got up and told the newsies. We ended it after it had killed a Border Patrolman. We haven't arrested anyone from this long and vital investigation. We haven't given the information on who is getting what weapons in the Cartels to the Mexicans.

We look like Frank Drebbin in The Naked Gun. That was comedy. This is stupidity.

Obama proposed it around Dec 2007, Bush adopted it around July of 2008, just before the election.

by Bush's WH on the operation as one would expect from a WH crafting a policy that included criminal activity? What did Issa know and when did he know it?

I think Issa did know about it when it was being run out of Bush WH. I think he knows the dumbed down rubes who chew the red meat he tosses want a show and he means to capitalize on it. I don't believe he'll take it as far as they want to because he does know that any legal defense will force Bush's officials who created the operation into the news.

Which is why we should have released those documents with a narrative. Getting the truth out to the people is absolutely a matter of timing, and of narrative.

We should have shut it down immediately. We should have released the documents then. We should have released them when we got caught continuing the idiot in chiefs policy. We didn't. Now we scream witch hunt. The general public isn't buying it. We know it's about politics. We could have deflected that and turned it back on the Rethugs by coming clean as soon as we could.

"We continued the illegal operations that were started under Bush. This was ill advised to say the very least. We at the DOJ did not know this was going on. The person most responsible, and who failed to advise us, and failed to stop the program was appointed by President Bush."

Instead, we keep covering for the criminals, and we get smeared with the stain. Why?

put a stop to this, but the Republicans will snatch at any loose end to make trouble. Their hatred of our president is so great they have all gone crazy.

Holder just requested that Obama cite executive privilege. This action will stop Issa dead in his tracks. This is the same thing that Bush did and nothing came of it. I have a feeling that this was the administrations plan the whole time. They just wanted to see how far Issa was going to push it. Now does Issa have the balls to take this to court.

Because it doesn't matter if he loses. He Gert's to appeal, expedited no less, and keep it in the news as they report day after day, week after week, about how the Judges are ruling for, or against us at each turn. Then they get Legal Experts up on there to tell why the President is right, or wrong depending on the expert to claim Executive Privilege.

All the while, Mittens is out there calling President Obama out of control, a dictator in training, or whatever.

Politically, this is a disaster for our side. I can't believe we fell for it. I can't believe we walked right into their trap.