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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWill the NCAA do the right thing and slap the Death Penalty on Penn State football?
If this whole business isn't lack of institutional control, I don't know what is. This makes the SMU scandal of the 80s look like a freaking parking ticket. Penn State's football program needs some serious purging. But, it won't happen.
Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)all I wanted them to do was bow out for ONE WEEKEND in solidarity and out of respect for the victims. Somehow this was twisted to mean that -I- was victimizing the Sports Program.
whatever.
sadbear
(4,340 posts)It was a moral failing, not a athletic one. Let the law run its course. Prosecutors aren't done yet.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)So the next program actually investigates it??? Wow are people clueless.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)go after those that did
Logical
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joeybee12
(56,177 posts)Sucks for the players and fans, but it's what needs to be done in a case that is so fucking reprehnsible.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)proud2BlibKansan
(96,793 posts)Regardless of what the school is being penalized for, the players and fans are punished.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)MrSlayer
(22,143 posts)What matters here? Doing the right thing or money? The amount of money generated by PSU football is gargantuan.
I want to know what scumbag Tom Corbett knew and when.
HubertHeaver
(2,522 posts)Freeze everybody in place and start their investigation. As they say, "let the chips fall where they may."
rocktivity
(44,588 posts)Only those guilty of perpetuating the coverup should be purged.
rocktivity
SickOfTheOnePct
(7,290 posts)joeybee12
(56,177 posts)Cut the program, let the players transfer anywhere else...only something that really hurts will serve as a deterrent.
obamanut2012
(26,201 posts)leveymg
(36,418 posts)Nuke Vegas.
wandy
(3,539 posts)Not a football fan, I am a Penn State alumni. In a more innocent age even a non sports fan could be proud of Penn States football team's, and sadly, now, Joe Peterno's accomplishments.
It is sad that in the end it worked out this way however that is no reason to end Penn State football.
Lets not destroy a good thing because of a few reprehensible people.
Penn state needs to clean up their act but then and again look at congress.
Talk about needing some serious purging.
joeybee12
(56,177 posts)And it needs to be investigated thoroughly and let the chips fall.
wandy
(3,539 posts)This was something to be looked up to.
Not to be looked down at.
Let the chips fall, but clean up you're act.
taught_me_patience
(5,477 posts)USC got a two year bowl ban and 3 years of probation with 30 scholarship losses for one player taking money from an agent. If this Penn State scandal isn't Lack of Institutional Control, then I really don't know what is. An appropriate punishment would probably be a three year bowl ban, one year TV ban, and 50 scholarship losses over 5 years.
wandy
(3,539 posts)50 scholarship losses over 5 years! That's 50 kids that might well end up on the dreaded food stamps, when given an education they might have been out designing the next generation of......
Fill in the blank with you're favorite area where technology let us down......
Yes! The entire sports area should be gone over with a fine tooth comb and purged as necessary.
It could be that some parts of Penn Satate management need be fired if not flat out put in prison.
But to deny 50 kids a chance at a collage education? I think not!
taught_me_patience
(5,477 posts)for one player taking money from an agent? I'd say harboring a pedophile who was raping children on campus is just a little worse...
NoMoreWarNow
(1,259 posts)wandy
(3,539 posts)jaysunb
(11,856 posts)The student athletes can't and shouldn't be held responsible for the actions of others..and further more, this school and it's programs are an integral part of a vast community that has done nothing wrong.
Let it be......
joeybee12
(56,177 posts)Let's not sugarcoat how bad and how deep this goes.
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)I fail to see how PSU is the same thing. Besides you're punishing student-athletes who had nothing to do w/ Sandusky.
taught_me_patience
(5,477 posts)five years after Reggie Bush was long gone from the program. PSU is a clear case of lack of institutional control. It's ALWAYS the players that had nothing to do with it who get punished.
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)SMU violated rules that gained a competitive advantage. In USC, an agent was paying Reggie Bush which was a competitive advantage over schools since they are not allowed to play players.
taught_me_patience
(5,477 posts)he was a great defensive coordinator.
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)but I think the payments, going over minutes in recruit calls, extended practice hours, etc violate the spirit of the competitive advantage rules that led to those type of penalties such as death penalty. Sandusky just seems like a different problem.
Besides ever since the DP crushed the SMU program to the point where they haven't had a winning season until just a few years ago, NCAA has been very reluctant to ever use it again. I don't think they've used the DP since.
obamanut2012
(26,201 posts)Students do not play football, students go to class and (hopefully) get a degree. Sports are not what higher education are for, no matter what Big Sports folks think. Students given athletic scholarships for this year can still get the money. They'll have more time ti study without a full-time job tacked on.
An investigation needs to be completed first.
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)I don't see them keeping their 1-year scholarship. I imagine all of them will have to transfer.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)n/t
Initech
(100,155 posts)They're the ones who prolonged this whole mess and let it continue to happen - if they didn't act sooner they could have saved Paterno's reputation. This would have been a blip instead of the shit storm that it turned out to be.
joeybee12
(56,177 posts)He chose not to.
IamK
(956 posts)DinahMoeHum
(21,843 posts)The NCAA can only look into violations of their rules and regulations, including recruiting. Not criminal and civil matters like this one is - that's a job for the law courts.
Karmadillo
(9,253 posts)obamanut2012
(26,201 posts)Probably two or three seasons. The program needs to be investigated, people fired and possibly arrested, and the whole program revamped and safeguards installed.
That the season wasn't stopped last Fall is appalling.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)investigate and hold folks responsible. fire. arrest. revamp. but . . .
Why punish the innocent. Just does not make any sense. Two, three seasons . . . does not make any sense.
obamanut2012
(26,201 posts)No one is being punished. This is an investigation. You cannot have possible criminals running the program.
People go to college to get an education, not to play sports. A season or two or three will not stop that.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)agree with a complete investigation and let the chips fall. But . . . lets not get carried away by emotion.
AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)RB TexLa
(17,003 posts)causes too much damage to other schools and the conference the school is in to justify it. For anything.
TBF
(32,160 posts)the Board of Trustees needs to be replaced, along with any higher-ups in the Football Program who would've known this was going on. I'm sure the prosecutors have more to do on this case.
crimson77
(305 posts)and Sandusky is going to jail.
Avalux
(35,015 posts)Go after the others who should be held responsible (including asshole Gov. Corbett), but don't penalize the players and fans who did nothing wrong. If it means overhauling those of the leadership who are left, then do it, but don't make the players sit.
It's a moot point anyway, the NCAA doesn't have the authority to issue the Death Penalty in this case.
Initech
(100,155 posts)Avalux
(35,015 posts)allegations were made against Sandusky in 1998, they were looked into, and then the case was closed. Ray Gricar, the DA who chose to not go after Sandusky, disappeared without a trace in 2005.
There are many rumors (conspiracy theories?) about Corbett's involvement - the most extreme being that he forced the case closed then had Gricar knocked off (or maybe paid Gricar to disappear) because he was about to blow the whistle on Corbett.
On edit: Corbett was AG until 1997, then was re-elected in 2004.