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matmar

(593 posts)
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 04:06 PM Jun 2012

I shouldn't be forced to buy for-profit health ins.

If SCOTUS votes to uphold the ACA they are locking in place a for-profit system forever.

This is wrong.

We should have what Europe, Canada and Australia have.

Obamacare is nothing more than a warmed over Republican solution.

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I shouldn't be forced to buy for-profit health ins. (Original Post) matmar Jun 2012 OP
I think you need to educate yourself as to what the mandate mandates madokie Jun 2012 #1
What will they do to you if you don't buy the insurance? nt ZombieHorde Jun 2012 #2
Straight into the Obama sharp_stick Jun 2012 #5
You aren't forced to buy anything. Try re-reading the ACA. cbdo2007 Jun 2012 #3
I'd say that making someone pay a fine if they don't do something is the same as forcing them to Lydia Leftcoast Jun 2012 #7
Luckily your view of reality isn't the same as actual reality. cbdo2007 Jun 2012 #9
Your view of "actual reality" is not one I have encountered before Lydia Leftcoast Jun 2012 #11
If you don't pay the fine Control-Z Jun 2012 #16
Do you have a choice of which for-profit company you pay those renewals to? Ruby the Liberal Jun 2012 #13
The mandate is unenforceable.. Fumesucker Jun 2012 #4
You are correct, the "fee/penalty" is unenforceable. Swede Atlanta Jun 2012 #14
And yet this is the hill the Democratic party chooses to die on.. Fumesucker Jun 2012 #17
no you should be able to go thru life without it and let every else pay for your hospital visits. leftyohiolib Jun 2012 #6
Uh, single payer also includes a mandate. MineralMan Jun 2012 #8
I'm against a for-profit mandate going to a private co. matmar Jun 2012 #15
Well here it is. Don't buy it. My son is home and is sick and needs to see a doctor. He southernyankeebelle Jun 2012 #10
But if you don't buy it, the poor insurance companies RoccoR5955 Jun 2012 #12

madokie

(51,076 posts)
1. I think you need to educate yourself as to what the mandate mandates
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 04:08 PM
Jun 2012

I'm not going to try to do that but if you look you can find the information and at the present you misunderstand. My 2 cents

sharp_stick

(14,400 posts)
5. Straight into the Obama
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 04:12 PM
Jun 2012

FEMA concentration camps where the Obama Death Panels will adjudicate the seriousness of the offence and decide what to do with the organs.


because if the smilie ain't there some dim bulb isn't going to be able to figure it out.

Lydia Leftcoast

(48,217 posts)
7. I'd say that making someone pay a fine if they don't do something is the same as forcing them to
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 04:13 PM
Jun 2012

do it.

I once forgot to paste my car license renewal tags on before the old ones expired. A traffic cop noticed, and I had to pay a fine. In effect, I am forced to pay for and paste on new license plate tags every year.

cbdo2007

(9,213 posts)
9. Luckily your view of reality isn't the same as actual reality.
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 04:17 PM
Jun 2012

You have a choice, buy health insurance or pay a fine.

Lydia Leftcoast

(48,217 posts)
11. Your view of "actual reality" is not one I have encountered before
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 04:20 PM
Jun 2012

Most people would say that applying a penalty for not doing something is the same as forcing you to do something.

But I realize that different principles may apply on your planet.

Control-Z

(15,682 posts)
16. If you don't pay the fine
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 04:37 PM
Jun 2012

there are no consequences. That is how it is written. The fine is negligible as it is, but for those who can't afford the fine or just refuse to pay, there are no consequences. You should read it (the ACA).

Ruby the Liberal

(26,219 posts)
13. Do you have a choice of which for-profit company you pay those renewals to?
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 04:21 PM
Jun 2012

But then again, that is why this is before SCOTUS. There *isn't* an existing example of how we already do it in this instance.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
4. The mandate is unenforceable..
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 04:12 PM
Jun 2012

But it's the most important piece of legislation since the Magna Carta..

 

Swede Atlanta

(3,596 posts)
14. You are correct, the "fee/penalty" is unenforceable.
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 04:25 PM
Jun 2012

There are only civil penalties defined in the law (no criminal penalties) and the government can make a finding that you owe the fee/penalty but they cannot do anything to collect - no levies, no liens, no garnishments, etc. So why have it?

‘‘(B) LIMITATIONS ON LIENS AND LEVIES.—The Sec- retary shall not—
‘‘(i) file notice of lien with respect to any property of a taxpayer by reason of any failure to pay the pen- alty imposed by this section, or
‘‘(ii) levy on any such property with respect to such failure.’’.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
17. And yet this is the hill the Democratic party chooses to die on..
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 04:38 PM
Jun 2012

And the mandate is the critical part of the legislation..

MineralMan

(146,354 posts)
8. Uh, single payer also includes a mandate.
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 04:17 PM
Jun 2012

In fact, it's even more of a mandate; it's a tax. That's how it works in those places you mentioned. Who did you think pays for health care there?

Subsidies for the poor. Payments are based on income. It's, you know, a progressive premium, just like income taxes used to be.

 

matmar

(593 posts)
15. I'm against a for-profit mandate going to a private co.
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 04:26 PM
Jun 2012

I'm all for a mandate to pay a tax to fund healthcare for all......like Medicare For All.

 

southernyankeebelle

(11,304 posts)
10. Well here it is. Don't buy it. My son is home and is sick and needs to see a doctor. He
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 04:17 PM
Jun 2012

owes the doctor money. He is a cook and money goes so far. I mean tests cost alot. He has health insurance through work but it is terrible. We usually end up paying for their medicines. To be honest I am sick and tired of having to do that. Really am. He needs to see the doctor and he won't see him. I don't know how much he owes but he is the only one working in his house. What are people suppose to do? His wife had to take her son to the ER the other night because he got hit on his arm and he thought it was broke. His natural father doesn't have insurance on him. My son has put him on his insurance. Going to the ER is going to cost over $1,000 for that visit. My son told his wife he would not pay it. The natural father gives him only $40.00 a per month to help pay for his insurance and that isn't all the time. I told my son that he would end up being responsible he didn't make it clear that he has to pay part of his out of pocket bills. It is crazy. Crazy. We need health care people can afford.

 

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
12. But if you don't buy it, the poor insurance companies
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 04:20 PM
Jun 2012

will go broke. Isn't EVERYTHING supposed to be for the profit of SOMEONE?

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