anyone know anything? Who is making the "30" claim?

"The pressure has been rising on 31 Democrats who a year ago joined a letter written by House Oversight Committee Chairman Darrell Issa to President Barack Obama, asking him to direct Mr. Holder and the Justice Department to work with the congressional investigation into Fast and Furious, the botched gun-walking operation. That list of 31—which included such members as Pennsylvania Reps. Jason Altmire and Mark Critz, Utah Rep. Jim Matheson, and Kentucky Rep. Ben Chandler—read like a who's who of vulnerable Democrats in the 2012 election. These members are aware that many voters in their swing districts have been focused on Fast and Furious, and at least last year wanted to be seen as aiding efforts to get to the bottom of the affair."

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"When the Hill newspaper contacted all 31 to ask their intentions, Mr. Cooper and three other Democrats (Ohio's Tim Ryan; New Mexico's Martin Heinrich; and Texas's Gene Green) said they would vote against contempt in the broader House. A spokesman for Maine's Mike Michaud said the congressman was undecided. The 26 others did not respond to requests for comment, although Utah's Mr. Matheson has since become the first Democrat to say he will vote with Republicans to hold Mr. Holder in contempt. As Mr. Matheson told the Salt Lake Tribune: "Sadly, it seems that it will take holding the attorney general in contempt to communicate that evasiveness is unacceptable." "

More at link: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304870304577491011136387348.html

No surprise that conservadems Critz and Altmire are named!

I find this interesting:

These members are aware that many voters in their swing districts have been focused on Fast and Furious, and at least last year wanted to be seen as aiding efforts to get to the bottom of the affair."

and there has been for many years.

There are too many DINOs

Remember the Democrats who constantly supported Reagan in the 80s?

Boll weevils 30 years ago, blue dogs today, the next generation will be "stinky skunks"

would be a joyous event.

Sadly I don't ever ever ever see that happening.

We can't show unity among liberals/progressives in the civilian population that have nothing to lose by showing unity ... why would we expect that of people whose fame and fortune is based on their being "an independent voice in Congress?"

discrimination.

There was a small amount of token grumbling, but it was kept pretty quiet and hidden.

I don't see this as any worse. We are stuck because we need every vote and some luck to retake the house.

There are conservatives that call themselves Democrats. And that's the only loyalty clause, you must call yourself a Democrat and bingo-bango you are welcome under the tent to raise havoc.

I'm sorry but fuck that big tent. I've had enough of that shit shoved down my throat .

let the chips fall where they may.

Then those miscreants change parties and the Pukes have the house forever.

why would they change their winning plan now?

They have been infiltrating for years and have set up Conservative think tanks like Third Way and PPI to promote conservatism. The Koch Brothers even helped with the financing and personally kick started the DLC.

All is well for them, they would be weaker as the Republicans they are and they know it.

We are the ones that need to change strategy because our strategy of giving them all the power to fuck us from within has been a disaster. We even put infiltrators on the top of our ticket and wonder why we get Heritage Foundation laws being passed by "Democrats" that negotiate conservatism in our name.

Do you really want them stinking the tent up with elephant shit all the time?
I hate the smell around here myself.

So what's the difference when they switch parties?
The Democratic party needs to dragged back to the left kicking if screaming. If it takes losing a couple seats in order to get it done so be it. We have to look at the long term, not just election to election. The Republicons did it and look at the condition our country is in. We won't get any change if we keep putting the same people back in office hoping for a different result.

And we need the majority in order to take back Committee leadership.

Even if the DINO's don't vote with us much of the time, we're much better off than if they switched parties.

what the hell was going on.

Actually, when Issa and the other GOPheads started spouting that gun control lunacy, people should have known there was never going to be any there there. But the NRA scoring is like a triple-gainer leap over the shark for this Fast and Furious BS.

But we'll prevail. It'll just take a while.

Remember, we do not have the pressure of a Communist party pulling from the left to help us find a true balance like we did last time.

Without that, FDR Democrats (the closest thing to the true center in America) are pulling the rope alone against the fascist right. We may very well end up with third world lives and fascism before we even have a chance.

But, as you say, we might get there yet.

I'm hopeful that *something* springs up on the left, and quick. Otherwise, you're right, we may be in deep poop.

....THEY ARE NOT PATRIOTS IS WHAT THEY ARE. UNDERSTAND.



THEY ARE SOLDIERS IN THEIR OWN BATTLE. AND THEY ARE WINNING. THOSE ARE NOT COWARDS.













Meanwhile....The Progression continues.......

as D or R. On this Republican team, some of their D's pretend to be D's and if they don't have enough R votes, they let some of the D's show their true colors.

and why NOTHING gets done now, and why NO meaningful change EVER happens. BOUGHT VOTES IS NOT REPRESENTING THE PEOPLE. IT WILL NEVER BE. THE MONEY CORRUPTS THE ENTIRE SYSTEM. NOW IT IS OUT OF CONTROL.

















Meanwhile....The Progression continues....

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This is an Attorney General who has chosen to persecute cancer-stricken medical marijuana users and minimum-wage single-moms of illegal music downloaders rather than Bush war criminals and Wall St. firms who've swindled the middle class out of its nest egg.

Somehow, the Democratic party went from great AG's like Robert F. Kennedy to 1% enablers like Eric Holder.

why in the hell aren't they worried about us. If they are so worried about their conservative base then they need to trot their asses right over to their party the CONservative/RepubliCON party and stop trying to pretend that they are there for our best interests.

These are the same mfkers who stopped most of what we wanted in healthcare among other things the President has tried to do. He knows which ones who won't have his back so he has to always make some bullshit deal.

McCaskill,Casey,Testor and especially Manchin who is really an in your face RepubliCON would never get my vote he runs on fox and tells the world he is really a republiCON who is pretending to be a Democrat he shows up on Hannity and takes his marching orders..

Collin Peterson

Washington, DC Office
2211 Rayburn HOB
Washington, DC 20515
Phone: (202) 225-2165
Fax: (202) 225-1593

His web site only takes emails from constituants, verified by Zipcode + 4 digit zip extension. Use these:
for Montevideo, MN
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56265-1413
https://collinpeterson.house.gov/contact-me/email-me

What good are Democrats who don't act like Democrats anyway?

The Reich-wing will take them out whenever they want to anyway, so might as well go hell-bent-for-leather from the Left against them, right?

And that second category need to be replaced with true Dems ASAP

begging for money (as usual), citing the 2nd quarter deadline of June 30th as vital to Democratic candidates. Well, guess what, folks???
Not a dime of mine will be going to the DCCC. Instead, the little I can give this quarter will be going to Obama, Grayson, Warren, and Sherrod Brown. The DCCC will be getting a note from me, with CC's to Debbie W-S and any Dems who vote with the repigs.

In one email they wrote, "Imagine the consequences if the Republicans took control of the country...."

I swear to you, that's a quote.

So, I replied, "Imagine????? Seriously????? It's already happened."

How insulting!

...to fire their sorry asses.

How is the republican party ever going to come back from the ledge if the democrats keep stealing their more moderate conservatives?

It's less that they've been 'let in' and more that they are 'still there.'

Alot of this has much to do with regional identity. Many conservative Dems come from conservative places with longstanding ties to the Democratic party, going back to when the parties were very different. West Virginia is a perfect example. It's fairly conservative in many ways, but still retains a lot of its old allegiance to the Democratic party (though not in presidential politics).

My job is more important than my integrity!

I don't support traitors........they call often and their mail goes straight to the trash.

Debbie Wasserman are you listening....

cut off their money and perks to whip them in line.

Not that I'm an expert, but I think it is a pretty good guess that all or most of these 30 Democrats feel that they have a very precarious situation with their own re-election efforts back home. I don't know, what's better... Vote against contempt and raise the risk of losing the seat to a Repub, or vote for contempt and maybe decrease the risk of losing? Just saying...

anyone else think so?? If they thought it would be bad news for the President, they would have saved this vote for next week so they could prolong the bad news. This makes me think they want to vote tomorrow to overshadow the good ACA news they see coming out tomorrow.

I thought the Scalia meltdown tipped the hand that hey lost on ACA, scheduling the Holder vote on the same day is another tip.

Seems that in Utah you'll have to vote between the lesser of two evils: a Blue Dog Democrat or Tea Party Republican.