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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWe've been had.....again.
The ACA was perhaps the slickest bipartisan political scam by the one percent in recent memory. It is an absolutely perfect example of how owning both parties allows the one percent to play them against each other to pass legislation that neither party would have accepted had it been presented honestly.
They fired up one side with the promise of universal healthcare, and they fired up the other side with the fear of government-controlled healthcare, and then they passed a "compromise" that favored neither but just happens to be a corporate wet dream: an unprecedented mandate for EVERY SINGLE AMERICAN to buy an outrageously overpriced corporate product FOR THEIR ENTIRE LIVES.
I remember watching the corporate shills hawking this around the time of the vote. One of them noted the polls showing that Republicans hated it and that Democrats hated it and said (I am not making this up), "This shows they must be charting a good middle course."
Good god.
The "Affordable Care Act" is the most ironically named contribution to the growing corporate state yet; Orwell would be impressed. Its entire purpose is to entrench the predatory, for-profit companies into our health system and ensure that not a single American, from birth to death, will be able to avoid these bloodsucking middlemen.
And now there will be no "fix." It's here. It's entrenched. We have now ruled out the possibility of a plan for *actual* affordable care, like that provided by most sane, developed countries in this world. The only "fixes" we will see will be further skyrocketing costs, further limitations of care, and adjustments so that when you run up huge medical bills, they will be able to take your home and your car and all your other assets: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=868475 . Just wait and see.
Of course it was upheld. We have abdicated our health care system to the corporate profiteers...entrenched them into the system. Of course Roberts voted for it. ROBERTS. Think about that. Wake the fuck up. This was the plan all along.
Pab Sungenis
(9,612 posts)Think about it: a Conservative Chief Justice just handed us what we need to make single payer possible down the road.
He upheld the mandate as a tax.
Now we just have to tax individuals to fund Medicare-for-all.
Turbineguy
(37,423 posts)We now have a program. Soon even republicans will figure out a better (money saving) way to pay for it.
GarroHorus
(1,055 posts)catbyte
(34,555 posts)At least my husband and I won't have to get a divorce in order to avoid financial ruin.
You'll live and the act will be improved. Cheer up.
Ship of Fools
(1,453 posts)It's a start. And there are millions of other people out there
who are eternally grateful to the SCOTUS assholes for the
leg up.
Glad for the ruling, but hope the fab five assholes burn in hell for eternity
for making our country even MORE of a laughingstock.
dmr
(28,368 posts)Something that preyed on me like crazy!
uponit7771
(90,378 posts)Ship of Fools
(1,453 posts)SomethingFishy
(4,876 posts)"Democrats" come in to hand you your head.
People can't seem to see past their party or their candidate. Like you, I look around and just shake my head. Not only are things like this defended they are vehemently defended and anyone who dares to question policy or decisions, is made fun of, snarked at, laughed at or banned.
edit: shit too late, now you need to take a nap or go stand in the toilet you evil Obama hater
Swede
(33,333 posts)NYC Liberal
(20,139 posts)sharp_stick
(14,400 posts)Just like the tides
frazzled
(18,402 posts)That not a single member of the Republican Party in either the Senate or House voted for it; Republicans brought a case to the Supreme Court to get it struck down; and now every Republican Party leader has made a statement today that the new goal is to REPEAL it in its entirety.
But in your "scientific" view, they secretly really all wanted it.
JNelson6563
(28,151 posts)frazzled
(18,402 posts)We're just too dumb to see the direction this law can and will take us in.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002869426
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)Harmony Blue
(3,978 posts)huge step to a universal health care system like the rest of the civilized world.
boxman15
(1,033 posts)I could not be happier right now. I'm still in shock, but I'm very happy.
Harmony Blue
(3,978 posts)but making a tax makes it such that universal health care conversation can NOW begin. Is it over or done? No! May it take decades? Highly likely, but the paradigm has shifted massively now. The talking points shift now for both sides.
Bake
(21,977 posts)We wanted universal health care. What we got was THIS.
But as always, the perfect is the enemy of the good.
Bake
Mz Pip
(27,465 posts)If ACA went down the chance for any change in health care would be unlikely. No one would be willing to go out on a limb and try again, at least not in my life time.
I look at this as a foundation that can be built upon.
hfojvt
(37,573 posts)clearly the American public is dead set against that.
What I wanted was a plan with no mandate, and with a public option.
I thought I voted for that in the Democratic primaries. Coulda sworn there was a candidate who was against a mandate, and favored a public option. In fact, he spoke to Congress and said he would not sign a plan that didn't have a public option.
Instead I got a plan with no public option and with a mandate.
I guess when he promised "change" it meant that he would change his positions after I voted for him.
Once again I apoligize to all the Hillary supporters in the primary for thinking that she was worse than him.
onenote
(42,870 posts)Interesting.
FAIL.
treestar
(82,383 posts)hfojvt
(37,573 posts)it must have been the right thing to do.
Just like the permanent payroll tax cut for the rich and just like the permanent extensions of the Bush/Obama tax cuts.
Hell Hath No Fury
(16,327 posts)The Heritage Foundation must be beaming today.
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)For me, better. Absolutely.
immoderate
(20,885 posts)But it's OUR rip off.
--imm
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
Hell Hath No Fury
(16,327 posts)I know the difference between health care and health insurance, and what you get with each of them.
To think that liberals would be celebrating Bob Dole's old "health care" plan makes my head spin.
bluestateguy
(44,173 posts)and rain on my parade and throw cold water on me.
I am asking you not to do that.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)There's not a lot of cause to hold onto blind faith that the American System is self-correcting.
Not Epic Fail, at all. Perhaps, except to those who are willfully blind to the dangers of a private mandate. What's next, privatization of all taxes? Pay Boeing directly for each bomber and Lockheed Martin Corp. for tapping your telephone?
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)That tin foil helmet must be a pretty tight fit!
Arkansas Granny
(31,545 posts)insurance executives, and universal health care was taken off the table. Look at all the new customers they will now being collecting premiums from.