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cal04

(41,505 posts) Thu Jun 28, 2012, 02:56 PM Jun 2012

President Obama Initially Heard Mandate Had Been Overturned

http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/06/president-obama-first-heard-mandate-had-been-overturned.php?ref=fpa

President Obama rode the same emotional rollercoaster as millions of Americans watching cable news on Thursday, as the first reports to reach him via CNN and FOX erroneously declared that the Affordable Care Act’s individual mandate had been struck down.

The president remained calm in the face of what would have been devastating news for his signature legislation, according to senior White House officials. One to two minutes passed before White House Counsel Kathryn Ruemmler entered the room flashing two thumbs to signal that the law had, in fact, survived almost entirely intact.

Obama’s first response was confusion: Two of the four televisions in the outer Oval Office were still breathlessly pronouncing the mandate dead. But the initial shock quickly turned to smiles and hugs, the administration officials said, as the true results sunk in: The Supreme Court had upheld the Affordable Care Act, 5-4.

President Obama Believed Early Reports That Supreme Court Had Declared Individual Mandate Unconstitutional
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/28/obama-supreme-court-health-care_n_1634812.html

Top administration officials, briefing reporters, said that the president initially saw news alerts that the court had ruled the individual mandate unconstitutional while watching coverage in the outer Oval Office. The news was being projected on a single monitor with four split screens, each showing a different station. Both Fox News and CNN inaccurately reported the court's decision at first.

After a period of time, White House Counsel Kathryn Ruemmler and Chief of Staff Jacob Lew came to greet the president with news of the actual ruling.

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The period between when Obama heard the wrong report and the corrected one lasted no longer than a couple of minutes, the top administration officials said. White House aides had been watching cable news in addition to following SCOTUSblog to track the results.

After learning of the ruling, the president went into the Oval Office and called Solicitor General Don Verrilli, who had argued the case on the administration's behalf, to thank him for the work he'd done. Vice President Joseph Biden came in shortly thereafter to take in the news.

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President Obama Initially Heard Mandate Had Been Overturned (Original Post) cal04 Jun 2012 OP

So who fed false info to CNN and FOX? aquart Jun 2012 #1

I'm guessing CNN and FOX Generic Brad Jun 2012 #2

CNN donco Jun 2012 #3

I'm not sure if this was the case, but I believe it may have done with.. Poll_Blind Jun 2012 #5

Didn't the opinion first say the mandate could not be supported by the commerce clause Tanuki Jun 2012 #15

A DU attorney said that reading through the first few pages of the ruling it seemed to gateley Jun 2012 #6

former employees? rurallib Jun 2012 #8

I'm glad he went through that with me JustAnotherGen Jun 2012 #4

I remember when news was reported, not predicted. Gregorian Jun 2012 #7

Can Obama now order the FCC Woody Woodpecker Jun 2012 #9

A federal court ruled Fox can legally lie. NYC Liberal Jun 2012 #13

Unfortunately ballabosh Jun 2012 #18

I wonder if he uttered a "WTF?" rurallib Jun 2012 #10

He should have been following the Scotus Live Blog liskddksil Jun 2012 #11

WAS IT AN ELECTRONIC VOTE? RobertEarl Jun 2012 #12

The first alert that I got was from NBC saying that it had been upheld Proud Liberal Dem Jun 2012 #14

I suspect that CNN and Fox in another example of their frequent ignorance only listened to the jwirr Jun 2012 #16

MSNBC had it right from the start. CNN and FOX were dead wrong. aaaaaa5a Jun 2012 #17

George W. Bush also heard the mandate had been overturned. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2012 #19

aquart

(69,014 posts)

1. So who fed false info to CNN and FOX?

Reply to cal04 (Original post)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 02:58 PM

Jun 2012

Generic Brad

(14,276 posts)

2. I'm guessing CNN and FOX

Reply to aquart (Reply #1)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 03:01 PM

Jun 2012

I strongly suspect it was a case to Twitter wish fulfillment.

donco

(1,548 posts)

3. CNN

Reply to Generic Brad (Reply #2)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 03:04 PM

Jun 2012

wolf and crew had it all screwed up.Lookin for some shoes to fall soon.

Poll_Blind

(23,864 posts)

5. I'm not sure if this was the case, but I believe it may have done with..

Reply to aquart (Reply #1)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 03:05 PM

Jun 2012

...the way opinions are delivered. You're really going to have to go to the Supreme Court website and check out the particular dance that they follow when they're releasing them, but I think it boils down to people seeing Roberts name attached to the majority opinion and assumed that Roberts would have voted against it- and so the majority opinion, if written by Roberts (I'm not sure if he did) would have meant that some or all of the PPACA was struck down.

It was an extremely long ruling and it took the 20+ people working at ScotusBlog a few minutes to decipher what it actually said.

What I bet CNN and Fox did was have tea leaf readers who used Roberts' attachment to a majority opinion to jump to the conclusion that it had been struck down. Again, you really have to go to the SCOTUS website and read their procedures and how rulings are dispensed (and it what order the opinions are given out) to understand what I'm trying to get at.

PB

Tanuki

(14,931 posts)

15. Didn't the opinion first say the mandate could not be supported by the commerce clause

Reply to Poll_Blind (Reply #5)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 03:14 PM

Jun 2012

before going on to say that it COULD be supported under taxation law? I'm guessing that, in an effort to get a "scoop", CNN and FOX just went with the first thing they saw.

gateley

(62,683 posts)

6. A DU attorney said that reading through the first few pages of the ruling it seemed to

Reply to aquart (Reply #1)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 03:05 PM

Jun 2012

indicate it would go the other way. I'm guessing CNN and Fox just jumped the gun in their glee over the "apparent" ruling.

rurallib

(62,491 posts)

8. former employees?

Reply to aquart (Reply #1)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 03:08 PM

Jun 2012

JustAnotherGen

(32,054 posts)

4. I'm glad he went through that with me

Reply to cal04 (Original post)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 03:05 PM

Jun 2012

I actually got teary eyed when first clicked on CNN. Then went to Facebook and first in my feed was Rachel Maddow -and I knew she would NEVER make a mistake like that.

Gregorian

(23,867 posts)

7. I remember when news was reported, not predicted.

Reply to cal04 (Original post)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 03:07 PM

Jun 2012

That is a symptom of the disease this country has. For whatever reason, it is not warranted.

Woody Woodpecker

(562 posts)

9. Can Obama now order the FCC

Reply to cal04 (Original post)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 03:09 PM

Jun 2012

to begin investigation on CNN and Faux and then sign an EO banning propaganda and lies from any media companies.

Fox should go out of business real quick once the EO is signed.