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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forums"It's Constitutional. Bitches." - Patrick Gaspard, the Executive Director of the DNC
In this context, and as the word is frequently used, 'bitches' refers to whiny, complaining tantrum-throwers who have been utterly dominated in some capacity and can refer to any demographic. But the word 'bitch' has a long history of being used as a slur against women specifically, and is still used as such very often in today's society. That said, can any of you imagine being paid to do a job that is intensively image sensitive and of which public relations is one's number one concern, and tweet such a ridiculous, unprofessional, could-have-been-said-a-thousand-other-ways phrase. I fucking couldn't.
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stevenleser
(32,886 posts)It's never OK to use a word that connotes a negative generalization about a minority group.
Baclava
(12,047 posts)hughee99
(16,113 posts)drm604
(16,230 posts)WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)How professional.
Why not go with "Teabaggers" instead? They hate being called Teabaggers, even though they dubbed themselves that before anyone else.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)female dogs?
pnwest
(3,266 posts)because sometimes these hateful, horrible, rotten-to-the-core righties just need an old-school beat-down.
treestar
(82,383 posts)Who cannot complain of political incorrectness of it.
Zorra
(27,670 posts)Or some other sexist slur that refers to males?
Instead of referring to RWers with a nasty word that literally means female dog, but which is commonly used as a generalized misogynistic slur to insult and denigrate women, a slur that infers numerous derogatory connotations primarily targeting women, why not use a male slur to refer to RWers, if it is so imperative for us to use gender based slurs?
It's just not logical.
After all, a very substantial majority of right wingers are male.
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Out of 435 members of the House, I believe that just 17 are Republican women. Of 100 sitting senators, I think just four are Republican women.
(Hmmm. I wonder if this is because it is considered a much greater insult to most men to be referred to with a disgusting slur that refers to something inherently female rather than being referred to with a disgusting slur that infers a powerless, weak, and feeble male?)
The word *bitch* is not gender neutral, no matter how the justification spin gets spun. A rose by any other name is still a rose.
Since the slur was aimed at the right, wouldn't a slur such as *Limp Dicks*, or some other slur specifically referring to males, be much more appropriate?
Actually, I don't believe in using gender based slurs at all, and don't use them, and think that maybe an insult like "It's Constitutional, Losers" would have been as just as effective and much more appropriate than any type of group based slur.
I used the slurs *limp dick* and "bitch" in the context of this post for effect in order to help illustrate institutionalized sexism and sexist language.
(Some of this post was satire and
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"Misogyny. It is what it is. And it's still misogyny when you do it, Adam" - Eve, circa 10,000,000 BC
one_voice
(20,043 posts)but I laughed when I heard that's what he said. My first reaction/the first thing I said was 'how you like us now m'fer's'--seriously that's exactly what I said. I have a visceral hate for the teanuts, like I've only had for a few other people.
I apologize to any that I offended by laughing. I know the the *b* word is offensive to many.
RadiationTherapy
(5,818 posts)The word 'bitch' however has a more complicated set of meanings, some of which are insulting to me.
HappyMe
(20,277 posts)I appreciated it for what it was - a spike the ball, victory tweet.
Romulox
(25,960 posts)FarLeftFist
(6,161 posts)TBF
(32,160 posts)RadiationTherapy
(5,818 posts)But I understand your position.
treestar
(82,383 posts)Don't know why, but to me it's overkill to forbid it, however I respect it is not allowed on DU.
Men get called it now and it's funny.
RadiationTherapy
(5,818 posts)I think that changes things a bit.
HappyMe
(20,277 posts)as the Anthony Wiener debacle.
one_voice
(20,043 posts)it doesn't bother me much either. I respect it's not allowed on DU and that it does offend others. I could absolutely see me saying what Patrick Gaspard said.
flamingdem
(39,342 posts)Being PC doesn't tamp down the Repug bitches one bit
DoBotherMe
(2,340 posts)And WE have guns too! (This is not sarcasm, I am a flaming radical liberal dem as well). Dana ; )
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)Not offended by it, I often use that term in the manner he did with my friends, but I would never use it in that context professionally.
angel123
(79 posts)why do democrats always want to apologize for being offensive? more power to patrick gaspard. say it again. i'm a woman of some years, and i am not offended. do you honestly think they would care if a rightie said the same thing.
RadiationTherapy
(5,818 posts)This is unprofessional.
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)A lot of folks' heads here would explode!
CBGLuthier
(12,723 posts)There is no double standard.
redqueen
(115,108 posts)Misogyny is ok if you're a liberal. (e.g. Maher, Moore)
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)Or is it 1. There's no talking about DU.
CBGLuthier
(12,723 posts)of the word hypocrisy.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)StarryNight
(71 posts)the B-word in any context (other than as a verb) is like nails on a black-board to me.
Greybnk48
(10,183 posts)The Republicans threw out decorum, politeness and mannerly dignified behavior YEARS ago. They are boorish thugs, almost to a person. One of them has been known to pick his nose and spit in public like a pig (sorry piggies) like a slob.
RadiationTherapy
(5,818 posts)But, beyond decorum, from a "worker" point of view, I personally would not want to lose myself like that.
StarryNight
(71 posts)StarryNight
(71 posts)CBGLuthier
(12,723 posts)yet full of meaning.
redqueen
(115,108 posts)There is no widespread misogyny on DU.
Maybe if we say it enough times, we'll start believing that 'bitch' is an acceptable word for people to use as an insult, and it will magically become no longer an anti-woman slur. Ah, the power of magical thinking.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)Been working on replacing the fence and found that the old posts were such pieces of shit after a couple good jerks back and forth they snapped off about 8-10" down in the ground, until I got to post #7 or so..
That one was in there good, I was jerking it back and forth - back and forth, snap like the others you bitch LOL
Then I heard my neighbor who I didn't know was behind me ask why I was cussing out a post
Of course the damn thing then broke about a foot up from the ground, snapped right by a knot. Guess I'll jerk it out of the ground with my truck
cbdo2007
(9,213 posts)when Jesse Pinkman uses it to refer to anyone he thinks he's better than, both male and female. For what it's worth, to me it sounds like he might have actually been quoting the Jesse Pinkman character when he used the term "bitches" here.
RadiationTherapy
(5,818 posts)deutsey
(20,166 posts)although he went back and forth between using it in a gender-neutral and gender-specific way (as he does in the Rick James sketch).
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)even in reading your explanation i cant "hear" it as people who are whining. doesnt come off like that at all, to me.
hfojvt
(37,573 posts)in this context, the b-word refers to somebody, or a group of somebodies, who is dominated by somebody else. Gaspard is declaring himself the pimp, or the alpha dog, and that these others are his beaches.
In that context it is no more appropriate than if the decision had gone the other way and the Executive Director of the RNC had tweeted "It's unconstitutional ni****s".
Bake
(21,977 posts)But overall, I approve.
Bake
Hugabear
(10,340 posts)Nope, not sexist in the least bit. I don't see how anyone could possibly construe it that way.
Oh... - in case that was needed.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Gidney N Cloyd
(19,847 posts)RadiationTherapy
(5,818 posts)Though I hate the word and am "surprised" at the poll results, it is the impetuousness of the action for someone in this person's role that grates the most.
redqueen
(115,108 posts)DU doesn't exist apart from culture, and society is still drenched in misogyny.
What grates the most for me is that this is framed as being problematic more due to the person's role, and not simply because it's a misogynist slur.
Imagine treating racist slurs that way.
RadiationTherapy
(5,818 posts)I certainly agree with you and despise that sexist word. And I hope there is the presumption that it is sexist in the criticism of the man's role, because it is the sexism that makes the statement inappropriate, but I did evade framing it that way. I was trying for a different angle, but, yes, I can see that being a sensitive issue...
Also, I am "surprised" at the results because I mixed up the order in my mind and thought the 'inappropriate' was winning until I read a post to the contrary.
Sorry that my attempt at objective analysis drifted into being, itself, sexist.
redqueen
(115,108 posts)it's just indicative of the situation we are in at the moment, misogyny-wise.
Note that this is an example of misogyny, though, not sexism. Sexism involves a bias against either men or women. Slurs which insult people by implying they're like women are misogynist.
RadiationTherapy
(5,818 posts)NB Bulldog 83
(1 post)Between this tweet and the other one he let loose ("Take THAT, m***f***ers!" , it was abundantly clear that he was aiming at political rivals, and not any specific gender. Even so, I see it as indefensible because a representative of a political party in the public eye should not be speaking like that in public.
David__77
(23,644 posts)I don't know anyone who uses the phrase in its gendered context. There is more than a little irony in its use as well.
deutsey
(20,166 posts)I've heard guys call other guys "bitch" and have even heard women call men "bitches"...it was disorienting for me at first, because it was definitely a slur exclusively against women when I was growing up.
Quantess
(27,630 posts)A little swagger and a snap of the finger.
Or not. I don't really care.
irisblue
(33,067 posts)would have been better from my seat in the discussion. "bitches" isn't appropriate in professional settings.
Xyzse
(8,217 posts)I could care less if he said something like that.
Bush was known to have flipped the bird a few times.
Sure it is unprofessional but I could care less since it is a twitter account. Not that I pay much attention to that any how.
cynatnite
(31,011 posts)WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)written up, possibly canned. The DNC wants me to donate $$$$ so some dumbass can tweet stupid shit? I'll pass.
Enrique
(27,461 posts)but I guess our political class has nothing to lose.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)On one hand, I rather dislike the use of "bitch" applied to people (as a verb, however...)
On the other hand, I hear him saying it in my head, like Dave Chappel in his "Real Hollywood Stories; Basketball with Prince" sketch, and it cracks me up.
I'm going to go with the second option of the poll, 'just cause either way, it is unprofessional - and it's not a hot mic moment like the Big Fucking Deal...
Quantess
(27,630 posts)Not a clear choice for me. Unprofessional. The only thing that swayed me that yes, it was okay, was that it was a tweet. So for a tweet, I say who cares.