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RadiationTherapy

(5,818 posts)
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 10:37 AM Jun 2012

"It's Constitutional. Bitches." - Patrick Gaspard, the Executive Director of the DNC

In this context, and as the word is frequently used, 'bitches' refers to whiny, complaining tantrum-throwers who have been utterly dominated in some capacity and can refer to any demographic. But the word 'bitch' has a long history of being used as a slur against women specifically, and is still used as such very often in today's society. That said, can any of you imagine being paid to do a job that is intensively image sensitive and of which public relations is one's number one concern, and tweet such a ridiculous, unprofessional, could-have-been-said-a-thousand-other-ways phrase. I fucking couldn't.


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"It's Constitutional. Bitches." - Patrick Gaspard, the Executive Director of the DNC (Original Post) RadiationTherapy Jun 2012 OP
Gaspard, who is normally great, made a mistake here and should apologize. stevenleser Jun 2012 #1
disparaging mothers OK? Baclava Jun 2012 #4
I believe it's disparaging to the people who fuck them. hughee99 Jun 2012 #16
Fathers? drm604 Jun 2012 #52
Wait... is that a legitimate tweet? WorseBeforeBetter Jun 2012 #50
what minority would hat be? notadmblnd Jun 2012 #58
i think its hilarious. probably inapropriate, but i voted "yay" anyway pnwest Jun 2012 #2
Yes, it was aimed at righties treestar Jun 2012 #12
But...wouldn't "It's Constitutional, Limp Dicks!" be far more appropriate? Zorra Jun 2012 #46
I know it's wrong... one_voice Jun 2012 #3
From a linguistic point of view, I do not find 'motherfucker' to be demeaning or insulting at all. RadiationTherapy Jun 2012 #9
Sure, it's not very professional. HappyMe Jun 2012 #5
If a DUer had posted that, there would be a 400 response thread in meta, by now. nt Romulox Jun 2012 #6
Its a popular saying. FarLeftFist Jun 2012 #7
My answer was not listed - this is inappropriate, period. nt TBF Jun 2012 #8
Sorry about that. I felt the need for context because words have shared meanings. RadiationTherapy Jun 2012 #10
I am female and that word does not bother me that much treestar Jun 2012 #11
I understand why it doesn't bother some people, but this man was "at work" when he tweeted this, RadiationTherapy Jun 2012 #13
I don't think this is near as bad HappyMe Jun 2012 #14
I'm with you... one_voice Jun 2012 #18
Let it be known that Democrats are capable of anger and revenge flamingdem Jun 2012 #15
Exactly! DoBotherMe Jun 2012 #30
I don't feel it's appropriate. bigwillq Jun 2012 #17
lighten up angel123 Jun 2012 #19
No apology is being requested. I am criticizing it from the point of view of his job. RadiationTherapy Jun 2012 #20
I feel if a repub said something similar bigwillq Jun 2012 #22
SSHHH. There is no double standard CBGLuthier Jun 2012 #26
MIOKIYAL redqueen Jun 2012 #32
HA! Is that the first rule of DU? bigwillq Jun 2012 #55
All i will say is 11 years of DU has taught me the real genuine meaning CBGLuthier Jun 2012 #57
+1. nt seabeyond Jun 2012 #62
Yup bigwillq Jun 2012 #64
i'm a woman of some years too, but not nearly as "understanding," let's say. StarryNight Jun 2012 #29
Cheney told a Senator "Fuck You" on the floor of the Senate!!! Greybnk48 Jun 2012 #21
Of course I understand what you are saying and agree. RadiationTherapy Jun 2012 #23
but Mom, they did it first!!!! nt StarryNight Jun 2012 #25
greaaat... 71% of DUers think gender-based insults are fine. no surprise. nt StarryNight Jun 2012 #24
Not me, that's why I love the word ASSHOLE. Wonderfully gender neutral CBGLuthier Jun 2012 #27
There is no widespread misogyny on DU. redqueen Jun 2012 #31
I called a wooden post a bitch yesterday snooper2 Jun 2012 #59
I think the term "bitches" can be gender neutral like on Breaking Bad.... cbdo2007 Jun 2012 #34
I did account for that in my OP and it is, essentially, the underpinning of option 1 in the poll. RadiationTherapy Jun 2012 #60
I think Chappelle Show also helped to popularize that use deutsey Jun 2012 #63
+1. nt seabeyond Jun 2012 #41
in this use, it comes off as someones "bitch" and came across as a slam against women seabeyond Jun 2012 #28
you misread the context and the meaning hfojvt Jun 2012 #33
I might have added a hearty "suck it." Bake Jun 2012 #35
Wow. nt redqueen Jun 2012 #37
Suck my cock, bitches. Hugabear Jun 2012 #40
+1. nt seabeyond Jun 2012 #42
I'm not offended but practically speaking, why risk the x% of blowback? Gidney N Cloyd Jun 2012 #36
Yes, exactly. It serves no purpose. I would not hire a PR person who made such a worthless gamble. RadiationTherapy Jun 2012 #43
Why surprised? redqueen Jun 2012 #44
I was trying to account for how language drifts and evolves. RadiationTherapy Jun 2012 #47
I don't see that your analysis is sexist... redqueen Jun 2012 #49
All important. Thank you. RadiationTherapy Jun 2012 #53
In this context, it was not a slur. NB Bulldog 83 Jun 2012 #65
I think it's been partly stripped of its old meaning, among younger people. David__77 Jun 2012 #38
Yeah, I think that's true deutsey Jun 2012 #51
I would have said it, with attitude. Quantess Jun 2012 #39
..."he won, the people won, get over it" irisblue Jun 2012 #45
I am in between Xyzse Jun 2012 #48
Inappropriate, IMO, but I still loved it. n/t cynatnite Jun 2012 #54
If I used language like that at work I'd get... WorseBeforeBetter Jun 2012 #56
if I used language like that at work, I'd feel silly Enrique Jun 2012 #67
I'm divided... Scootaloo Jun 2012 #61
I agree with you completely, except I chose the first option. Quantess Jun 2012 #66
 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
1. Gaspard, who is normally great, made a mistake here and should apologize.
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 10:42 AM
Jun 2012

It's never OK to use a word that connotes a negative generalization about a minority group.

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
50. Wait... is that a legitimate tweet?
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 03:27 PM
Jun 2012

How professional.

Why not go with "Teabaggers" instead? They hate being called Teabaggers, even though they dubbed themselves that before anyone else.

pnwest

(3,266 posts)
2. i think its hilarious. probably inapropriate, but i voted "yay" anyway
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 11:09 AM
Jun 2012

because sometimes these hateful, horrible, rotten-to-the-core righties just need an old-school beat-down.

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
46. But...wouldn't "It's Constitutional, Limp Dicks!" be far more appropriate?
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 03:14 PM
Jun 2012

Or some other sexist slur that refers to males?

Instead of referring to RWers with a nasty word that literally means female dog, but which is commonly used as a generalized misogynistic slur to insult and denigrate women, a slur that infers numerous derogatory connotations primarily targeting women, why not use a male slur to refer to RWers, if it is so imperative for us to use gender based slurs?

It's just not logical.

After all, a very substantial majority of right wingers are male.
,
Out of 435 members of the House, I believe that just 17 are Republican women. Of 100 sitting senators, I think just four are Republican women.

The Republican Party in 2011 looks similar, demographically and ideologically, to the Republican Party that nominated John McCain in 2008. As a group, Republicans continue to be more likely than average to be male, white, married, and religious, and to describe their political views as "conservative.


(Hmmm. I wonder if this is because it is considered a much greater insult to most men to be referred to with a disgusting slur that refers to something inherently female rather than being referred to with a disgusting slur that infers a powerless, weak, and feeble male?)

The word *bitch* is not gender neutral, no matter how the justification spin gets spun. A rose by any other name is still a rose.

Since the slur was aimed at the right, wouldn't a slur such as *Limp Dicks*, or some other slur specifically referring to males, be much more appropriate?

Actually, I don't believe in using gender based slurs at all, and don't use them, and think that maybe an insult like "It's Constitutional, Losers" would have been as just as effective and much more appropriate than any type of group based slur.

I used the slurs *limp dick* and "bitch" in the context of this post for effect in order to help illustrate institutionalized sexism and sexist language.

(Some of this post was satire and
)

"Misogyny. It is what it is. And it's still misogyny when you do it, Adam" - Eve, circa 10,000,000 BC



one_voice

(20,043 posts)
3. I know it's wrong...
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 11:15 AM
Jun 2012

but I laughed when I heard that's what he said. My first reaction/the first thing I said was 'how you like us now m'fer's'--seriously that's exactly what I said. I have a visceral hate for the teanuts, like I've only had for a few other people.

I apologize to any that I offended by laughing. I know the the *b* word is offensive to many.

RadiationTherapy

(5,818 posts)
9. From a linguistic point of view, I do not find 'motherfucker' to be demeaning or insulting at all.
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 11:48 AM
Jun 2012

The word 'bitch' however has a more complicated set of meanings, some of which are insulting to me.

RadiationTherapy

(5,818 posts)
10. Sorry about that. I felt the need for context because words have shared meanings.
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 11:49 AM
Jun 2012

But I understand your position.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
11. I am female and that word does not bother me that much
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 11:50 AM
Jun 2012

Don't know why, but to me it's overkill to forbid it, however I respect it is not allowed on DU.

Men get called it now and it's funny.

RadiationTherapy

(5,818 posts)
13. I understand why it doesn't bother some people, but this man was "at work" when he tweeted this,
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 11:55 AM
Jun 2012

I think that changes things a bit.

one_voice

(20,043 posts)
18. I'm with you...
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 12:06 PM
Jun 2012

it doesn't bother me much either. I respect it's not allowed on DU and that it does offend others. I could absolutely see me saying what Patrick Gaspard said.

flamingdem

(39,342 posts)
15. Let it be known that Democrats are capable of anger and revenge
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 12:02 PM
Jun 2012

Being PC doesn't tamp down the Repug bitches one bit

DoBotherMe

(2,340 posts)
30. Exactly!
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 01:36 PM
Jun 2012

And WE have guns too! (This is not sarcasm, I am a flaming radical liberal dem as well). Dana ; )

 

bigwillq

(72,790 posts)
17. I don't feel it's appropriate.
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 12:06 PM
Jun 2012

Not offended by it, I often use that term in the manner he did with my friends, but I would never use it in that context professionally.

angel123

(79 posts)
19. lighten up
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 12:08 PM
Jun 2012

why do democrats always want to apologize for being offensive? more power to patrick gaspard. say it again. i'm a woman of some years, and i am not offended. do you honestly think they would care if a rightie said the same thing.

RadiationTherapy

(5,818 posts)
20. No apology is being requested. I am criticizing it from the point of view of his job.
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 12:11 PM
Jun 2012

This is unprofessional.

 

StarryNight

(71 posts)
29. i'm a woman of some years too, but not nearly as "understanding," let's say.
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 01:36 PM
Jun 2012

the B-word in any context (other than as a verb) is like nails on a black-board to me.

Greybnk48

(10,183 posts)
21. Cheney told a Senator "Fuck You" on the floor of the Senate!!!
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 12:12 PM
Jun 2012

The Republicans threw out decorum, politeness and mannerly dignified behavior YEARS ago. They are boorish thugs, almost to a person. One of them has been known to pick his nose and spit in public like a pig (sorry piggies) like a slob.

RadiationTherapy

(5,818 posts)
23. Of course I understand what you are saying and agree.
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 12:48 PM
Jun 2012

But, beyond decorum, from a "worker" point of view, I personally would not want to lose myself like that.

redqueen

(115,108 posts)
31. There is no widespread misogyny on DU.
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 01:37 PM
Jun 2012

There is no widespread misogyny on DU.



Maybe if we say it enough times, we'll start believing that 'bitch' is an acceptable word for people to use as an insult, and it will magically become no longer an anti-woman slur. Ah, the power of magical thinking.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
59. I called a wooden post a bitch yesterday
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 03:37 PM
Jun 2012

Been working on replacing the fence and found that the old posts were such pieces of shit after a couple good jerks back and forth they snapped off about 8-10" down in the ground, until I got to post #7 or so..

That one was in there good, I was jerking it back and forth - back and forth, snap like the others you bitch LOL

Then I heard my neighbor who I didn't know was behind me ask why I was cussing out a post



Of course the damn thing then broke about a foot up from the ground, snapped right by a knot. Guess I'll jerk it out of the ground with my truck

cbdo2007

(9,213 posts)
34. I think the term "bitches" can be gender neutral like on Breaking Bad....
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 01:44 PM
Jun 2012

when Jesse Pinkman uses it to refer to anyone he thinks he's better than, both male and female. For what it's worth, to me it sounds like he might have actually been quoting the Jesse Pinkman character when he used the term "bitches" here.

deutsey

(20,166 posts)
63. I think Chappelle Show also helped to popularize that use
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 03:52 PM
Jun 2012

although he went back and forth between using it in a gender-neutral and gender-specific way (as he does in the Rick James sketch).

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
28. in this use, it comes off as someones "bitch" and came across as a slam against women
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 01:35 PM
Jun 2012

even in reading your explanation i cant "hear" it as people who are whining. doesnt come off like that at all, to me.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
33. you misread the context and the meaning
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 01:40 PM
Jun 2012

in this context, the b-word refers to somebody, or a group of somebodies, who is dominated by somebody else. Gaspard is declaring himself the pimp, or the alpha dog, and that these others are his beaches.

In that context it is no more appropriate than if the decision had gone the other way and the Executive Director of the RNC had tweeted "It's unconstitutional ni****s".

Hugabear

(10,340 posts)
40. Suck my cock, bitches.
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 02:06 PM
Jun 2012

Nope, not sexist in the least bit. I don't see how anyone could possibly construe it that way.

Oh... - in case that was needed.

RadiationTherapy

(5,818 posts)
43. Yes, exactly. It serves no purpose. I would not hire a PR person who made such a worthless gamble.
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 03:03 PM
Jun 2012

Though I hate the word and am "surprised" at the poll results, it is the impetuousness of the action for someone in this person's role that grates the most.

redqueen

(115,108 posts)
44. Why surprised?
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 03:08 PM
Jun 2012

DU doesn't exist apart from culture, and society is still drenched in misogyny.

What grates the most for me is that this is framed as being problematic more due to the person's role, and not simply because it's a misogynist slur.

Imagine treating racist slurs that way.

RadiationTherapy

(5,818 posts)
47. I was trying to account for how language drifts and evolves.
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 03:15 PM
Jun 2012

I certainly agree with you and despise that sexist word. And I hope there is the presumption that it is sexist in the criticism of the man's role, because it is the sexism that makes the statement inappropriate, but I did evade framing it that way. I was trying for a different angle, but, yes, I can see that being a sensitive issue...

Also, I am "surprised" at the results because I mixed up the order in my mind and thought the 'inappropriate' was winning until I read a post to the contrary.

Sorry that my attempt at objective analysis drifted into being, itself, sexist.

redqueen

(115,108 posts)
49. I don't see that your analysis is sexist...
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 03:20 PM
Jun 2012

it's just indicative of the situation we are in at the moment, misogyny-wise.

Note that this is an example of misogyny, though, not sexism. Sexism involves a bias against either men or women. Slurs which insult people by implying they're like women are misogynist.

NB Bulldog 83

(1 post)
65. In this context, it was not a slur.
Sat Jun 30, 2012, 08:41 AM
Jun 2012

Between this tweet and the other one he let loose ("Take THAT, m***f***ers!&quot , it was abundantly clear that he was aiming at political rivals, and not any specific gender. Even so, I see it as indefensible because a representative of a political party in the public eye should not be speaking like that in public.

David__77

(23,644 posts)
38. I think it's been partly stripped of its old meaning, among younger people.
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 01:54 PM
Jun 2012

I don't know anyone who uses the phrase in its gendered context. There is more than a little irony in its use as well.

deutsey

(20,166 posts)
51. Yeah, I think that's true
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 03:28 PM
Jun 2012

I've heard guys call other guys "bitch" and have even heard women call men "bitches"...it was disorienting for me at first, because it was definitely a slur exclusively against women when I was growing up.

Quantess

(27,630 posts)
39. I would have said it, with attitude.
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 02:02 PM
Jun 2012

A little swagger and a snap of the finger.

Or not. I don't really care.

irisblue

(33,067 posts)
45. ..."he won, the people won, get over it"
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 03:13 PM
Jun 2012

would have been better from my seat in the discussion. "bitches" isn't appropriate in professional settings.

Xyzse

(8,217 posts)
48. I am in between
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 03:16 PM
Jun 2012

I could care less if he said something like that.
Bush was known to have flipped the bird a few times.
Sure it is unprofessional but I could care less since it is a twitter account. Not that I pay much attention to that any how.

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
56. If I used language like that at work I'd get...
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 03:36 PM
Jun 2012

written up, possibly canned. The DNC wants me to donate $$$$ so some dumbass can tweet stupid shit? I'll pass.

Enrique

(27,461 posts)
67. if I used language like that at work, I'd feel silly
Sat Jun 30, 2012, 09:06 AM
Jun 2012

but I guess our political class has nothing to lose.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
61. I'm divided...
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 03:43 PM
Jun 2012

On one hand, I rather dislike the use of "bitch" applied to people (as a verb, however...)

On the other hand, I hear him saying it in my head, like Dave Chappel in his "Real Hollywood Stories; Basketball with Prince" sketch, and it cracks me up.

I'm going to go with the second option of the poll, 'just cause either way, it is unprofessional - and it's not a hot mic moment like the Big Fucking Deal...

Quantess

(27,630 posts)
66. I agree with you completely, except I chose the first option.
Sat Jun 30, 2012, 09:00 AM
Jun 2012

Not a clear choice for me. Unprofessional. The only thing that swayed me that yes, it was okay, was that it was a tweet. So for a tweet, I say who cares.

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