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COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 04:12 PM Jun 2012

Oh Shit! The secret of ACA has finally gotten found out!

The Morans over at FR are now having a hissyfit since they 'discovered' that the 'real' reason for ACA is so the gubmint' kin git a list of all yourn names who has gunz and then take 'em away!!


Ammoland ^ | June 28, 2012 | Ammoland.com

Posted on Friday, June 29, 2012 3:02:14 PM by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost

Led by feckless chief Justice John Roberts, the U.S. Supreme Court today upheld the ObamaCare law by a 5-to-4 decision, with Roberts voting with liberals Breyer, Ginsburg, Sotomayor and Kagan.



While the decision means many harmful things for the American public, the Second Amendment community remains greatly affected, as the law requires Americans’ medical information to be culled and entered into a national database.



Centralizing these medical records will allow the FBI to troll a list of Americans for ailments such as Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) to deny them their gun rights, in the same way that the Veterans Administration has already denied more than 150,000 veterans their right to bear arms.

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Oh Shit! The secret of ACA has finally gotten found out! (Original Post) COLGATE4 Jun 2012 OP
Down the rabbit hole straight into the hifiguy Jun 2012 #1
Genuises, they are deutsey Jun 2012 #2
Is there ANY issue they don't equate to gun control?? Siwsan Jun 2012 #3
The FBI doesn't need their medical records to prove they're crazy pinboy3niner Jun 2012 #4
They were overdue with this wedge issue BumRushDaShow Jun 2012 #5
Oh cool... nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #6
The Freeps are geniuses. GENIUSES I tell you! This one figured our Muslim Takeover mission: Arugula Latte Jun 2012 #7
Shhh. They don't know that our planned takeover COLGATE4 Jun 2012 #14
I think I found an even worse one frmo that thread: muriel_volestrangler Jun 2012 #22
With HIPPA, not likely... but it isn't actually a bad idea. Tigress DEM Jun 2012 #8
I heard the NRA has given safeinOhio Jun 2012 #9
Must be a worm planted in their ear by OxyRush or Han-nutty. lpbk2713 Jun 2012 #10
Riduculous loyalsister Jun 2012 #11
They're not at all concerned with anyone COLGATE4 Jun 2012 #15
I hope they keep bring this BS up loyalsister Jun 2012 #17
NRA SoutherDem Jun 2012 #12
Thank god those worthless fools are at least good for laughs. Hoyt Jun 2012 #13
I can agree with the right to bear arms to an extent treestar Jun 2012 #16
People with mental disorders SHOULD be disarmed... Comrade_McKenzie Jun 2012 #18
Absolutely everything is about their ****ing guns. quaker bill Jun 2012 #19
The government probably already knows who has firearms ... spin Jun 2012 #20
Maybe The Gubmint' SHOULD Take Them Away Dirty Socialist Jun 2012 #21

Siwsan

(26,333 posts)
3. Is there ANY issue they don't equate to gun control??
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 04:17 PM
Jun 2012

There are days I feel like I'm suffering from PTSD, just from working in the corporate world.

Besides, I believe it's already required for medical personnel to report ANY gunshot wounds - self inflicted or otherwise. A slightly better indication of gun activit.

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
4. The FBI doesn't need their medical records to prove they're crazy
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 04:21 PM
Jun 2012

They're flaunting it on Facebook and all over the internets.

BumRushDaShow

(130,122 posts)
5. They were overdue with this wedge issue
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 04:26 PM
Jun 2012

after they tried and failed in their war on Women, Gays, and God.

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
7. The Freeps are geniuses. GENIUSES I tell you! This one figured our Muslim Takeover mission:
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 04:35 PM
Jun 2012

"The New World Order socialists have paved the way for Muslims to take over large areas of our country."

Folks, it's over. They're on to us.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,421 posts)
22. I think I found an even worse one frmo that thread:
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 07:17 PM
Jun 2012
It was pretty much over for freedom after the passage of the income tax amendment in 1913, in which Uncle Sam was now privy and partner to every dollar you earn.

Right after that they no longer needed the tax revenue from alcohol sales (made up about 45% of total federal receipts at the time), they passed an amendment outlawing alcohol in 1920, coincidentally the same year they expanded the right to vote to women.


So that genius thinks you should be able to run a government on booze taxes, and obviously looks on women voting with deep suspicion ... But there you go - the USA has been in decline for 100 years ...

Tigress DEM

(7,887 posts)
8. With HIPPA, not likely... but it isn't actually a bad idea.
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 04:39 PM
Jun 2012

The FBI having a national database that at least tracks criminals across state lines in an effective way that is.

I'm sorry to have to say this, but someone with serious mental health issues shouldn't NEED to have easy access to a gun.

I sympathize though. Since a person can't get hospitalized to deal with their issues unless they meet the criteria of being " a danger to self or others " then gun ownership is often an effective means to proving oneself medically eligible for needed treatment.

I'm sure most of those veterans just want to go out and hunt. Get away from stress or get in some target practice to feel that sense of empowerment. But at 3am when the PTSD sets up a choke hold, having a gun handy could be a fatal mistake.

Then there's the fact that about 80% of the population has faced serious depression and doesn't need instant access to firearms because that is pretty much a real plan and not just a cry for help and the permanent solution for temporary problems is in effect before someone can be talked off the ledge so to speak.

Needless to say the level of anger among the gun toting set has led to so much more murder and mayhem that even as a usually calm and prudent liberal, I've thought of getting a gun myself. NOT to defend against corrupt government agencies that might beat down my door, but to deal with the rethugs who are packing heat and itching to use it.

But I have grandkids and I've never wanted to have dangerous things around them. So the thinking goes back and forth. Which is more dangerous? Having a gun in the house and knowing how to use it or not having it when some raving right winger shows up at my door? Ah, not going to happen. They are afraid to come to my neighborhood. Guess I really don't need a gun after all.

Ramble, ramble.
Tig

lpbk2713

(42,777 posts)
10. Must be a worm planted in their ear by OxyRush or Han-nutty.
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 04:44 PM
Jun 2012



They don't usually know what to think or say until they
get the word from their favorite RW Media Hatemonger.


loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
11. Riduculous
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 04:46 PM
Jun 2012

Even if they were the least bit accurate in the assumption about gathering names, do they want people with schizophrenia to be armed?

PTSD is a mental illness and it is no joke. It terrifies me that my dad sleeps with a loaded gun next to his bed. There was a rule of thumb in our house about not waking him up because he would either be intensely irritable and start yelling or jump up ready to fight if he was startled by it.

I agree that listings about people's health (physical and mental) would be overly intrusive (and that there is no effort in the works to do so)- I am just pointing out how ridiculous their concerns are over someone with PTSD not having access to a gun.

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
15. They're not at all concerned with anyone
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 05:19 PM
Jun 2012

with PTSD. Remember - the Rethugs are all for children, until they're born and all for soldiers until they come home with PTSD or all beat to hell. Then... silence is deafening. This is just a handy stick to beat the ACA dog with so people can empathize with the 'poor sufferers of PTSD whose gun the damned gubmint is gonna take away ( as a prelude to taking away everone elses'). False concern, more RW bullshit.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
17. I hope they keep bring this BS up
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 05:57 PM
Jun 2012

I think even some die hard republicans will want to distance themselves from these conspiracy nuts.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
16. I can agree with the right to bear arms to an extent
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 05:20 PM
Jun 2012

Or at least understand the view, but what would be wrong with keeping people with PTSD from having them? They might shoot themselves.

quaker bill

(8,225 posts)
19. Absolutely everything is about their ****ing guns.
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 06:07 PM
Jun 2012

Any time that anyone does anything in government, it is all really all about taking their guns. Personally I hope they just go broke buying them and stashing ammo for them. Then may they rust in peace.

spin

(17,493 posts)
20. The government probably already knows who has firearms ...
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 06:11 PM
Jun 2012

ever hear of data mining?

Counterterrorism Technology: Broadening the Scope of Security Technology

By Alana Chloe Esposito

***snip***

Data mining

Data mining uses statistical models, algorithms, and cluster analysis to transform information such as credit card purchases, travel history, and internet activity into electronically processed data with the aim of targeting suspects and profiling risks more precisely. Increasingly relied upon by both the public and private sectors, it has also become a tool of counterterrorism, and more specifically of predictive intelligence. In this regard, data mining enables Homeland Security officials to identify factors that are likely to indicate great risk, such as whether the person belongs to an extremist group or has ever bought explosives. By assigning these factors a higher weight than slightly less relevant factors such as the individual-in-question’s travel patterns, or internet activity, a formula can be calculated to predict whether the person is likely to be a terrorist. Data mining, in essence, is a predictive analysis technique that helps authorities deal with uncertainty.
http://securitystudiesonline.com/2011/10/10/counterterrorism-technology-broadening-the-scope-of-security-technology/





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