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annabanana

(52,791 posts)
Sat Jun 30, 2012, 03:22 PM Jun 2012

WTF.. Is the guy the ONLY SMALL BUSINESSMAN in America?

Apparently so, according to this article!
http://nomoremister.blogspot.com/2012/06/just-humble-tradesman-trapped-in-world.html

This morning, NPR's Yuki Noguchi wanted to know how an ordinary small business owner feels now that the Obama health care law has been upheld. So she turned to this guy:
The law will give some small businesses tax incentives to pay for employee health care. Starting in 2014, those with 50 or more employees will be required to provide it.

That requirement is bad news for businesses like Perfect Printing in Moorestown, N.J. The company's president and CEO, Joe Olivo, says he now has 48 employees, for whom he pays some health care coverage.

Last night, Anne Thompson of NBC News wanted to know the same thing. So she turned to ... the same guy:


Turns out that both FOX (which we knew) AND NBC let ALEC do their "journalism" for them

Very interesting and illuminating article!
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treestar

(82,383 posts)
1. And if he has that many employees
Sat Jun 30, 2012, 03:23 PM
Jun 2012

He can do it. I have worked for far smaller companies and they had insurance for the employees.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
2. Apparently
Sat Jun 30, 2012, 03:23 PM
Jun 2012

He's the only one they want to interview because he is opposed to it. They couldn't find anyone else to ask

It's pretty obvious that our media is corrupt, and they think the American citizens don't see it and don't care.

Ezlivin

(8,153 posts)
3. It's a wonder it wasn't "Joe, the plumber"
Sat Jun 30, 2012, 03:25 PM
Jun 2012

It looks like they've got twice as many "small businessmen" to talk to now.

I've been running a one-man (now two-person) shop for 15 years. It amazes me to see the size of some of these so-called small businesses.

patrice

(47,992 posts)
5. So, if he "can't" do it. He pays a penalty that is probably less than providing the insurance. &
Sat Jun 30, 2012, 03:32 PM
Jun 2012

then the employees go into the insurance exchange and shop for their own with others in the same pool as they are and end up paying about what they would have had to give in wages/salary for the company health care plan - AND - they have many more options from with to pick coverage that more clearly provides for their needs than that which their employer might have provided. - AND - If they can't afford it, and meet the criteria, they can get help with the premium from the PP & ACA, otherwise known as ObamaCARE.

Right?

patrice

(47,992 posts)
7. So, the employer pays a penalty & doesn't receive the tax credit, which together exceeds what he
Sat Jun 30, 2012, 03:38 PM
Jun 2012

might have paid for group insurance - or - at least a portion of whatever he would have paid in wages/salaries to those employees he now threatens to lay-off in order to avoid the 50-employee criteria for the requirement to provide insurance . . . ?

..........................................

Not sure I understand how this works.

patrice

(47,992 posts)
8. and, And, AND the employer gets no freebie hc ins policies, from Ins Co for his business, to hand
Sat Jun 30, 2012, 03:53 PM
Jun 2012

out to his executives and for himself, so count that amongst his costs of not providing hc ins for his employees too.

Historic NY

(37,463 posts)
6. Thats the Murdoch model of journalism.........
Sat Jun 30, 2012, 03:33 PM
Jun 2012

they would plant a story in a newspaper and use another to quote that original story and so on & so on....pretty soon the inaccuate story was take as gospel.

They now cross post & broadcast from any one of the various parts of the media (porpaganda) empire.

progressivebydesign

(19,458 posts)
9. So if you have to have 50 employees, and he has 48..
Sat Jun 30, 2012, 03:58 PM
Jun 2012

what's the issue? And if he is already offering it, then what is his problem???

Nikia

(11,411 posts)
11. People like him did not want to hire the 50th employee before anyway
Sat Jun 30, 2012, 04:13 PM
Jun 2012

Because of the Family Leave Act. There might be some other laws too, but this was the big reason that the owner of the company where I formally worked did not want to hire a fiftieth employee unless he actually needed 60 employees. With that attitude, businesses like his never become as profitable as they could because they are not willing to act like big companies.

SoutherDem

(2,307 posts)
12. Does anyone remember when NPR (several months ago) asked the question ...
Sat Jun 30, 2012, 06:10 PM
Jun 2012

of business groups like the Chamber of Commerce who were making the claim how Obama was hurting small business to provide a group of small business people to talk to. They claim there are tens of thousands who will be on the brink of failure if Obama stays in office for 4 more years but they couldn't supply even one to talk to NPR. So NPR started just asking in a random fashion, still no takers, they then asked for people to email and got only a very few, who really couldn't explain why it was Obama and not the general economy which tanked during the Bush administration.

Downtown Hound

(12,618 posts)
13. I lived in Moorestown when I was a kid
Sat Jun 30, 2012, 06:14 PM
Jun 2012

It's a super wealthy, affluent small town with Victorian mansions everywhere. My public school had two people of color in it and the rest were white.

Yeah, I think they probably could have found maybe just a few more small businesses out there somewhere.

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