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Amerigo Vespucci

(30,885 posts)
Sat Jun 30, 2012, 06:20 PM Jun 2012

EMT Kevin O'Rourke: "45%" of Zimmerman's head covered in blood, nose broken

Earlier in the hearing, a member of a Sanford, Fla., ambulance crew told a court that Zimmerman's head, including his moustache and beard, were covered in blood after the shooting of Martin.

EMT Kevin O'Rourke testified during Zimmerman's bond hearing this morning that "45 percent" of Zimmerman's head had blood on it and that the lacerations on Zimmerman's head "would probably need stitches."

O'Rourke also testified that Zimmerman's nose was broken and urged him to see a doctor within 24 hours.

The EMT examined Zimmerman after having checked on Martin, who had died after being shot by Zimmerman.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmermans-head-covered-blood-emt-testified/story?id=16672554
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EMT Kevin O'Rourke: "45%" of Zimmerman's head covered in blood, nose broken (Original Post) Amerigo Vespucci Jun 2012 OP
Felonious aggression began with the chase, if Martin was a girl being chased by a man this uponit7771 Jun 2012 #1
Who did the stitches, who set the broken nose? tularetom Jun 2012 #2
And? DearAbby Jun 2012 #3
Good. If a stranger came up to me with a gun I'd fight for my life too. auburngrad82 Jun 2012 #4
+1 mattclearing Jul 2012 #22
Police station video makes that less than likely.... Junkdrawer Jun 2012 #5
I hope saith EMT obtained an AMA nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #6
Minor head wounds are notorious for profuse bleeding, just like noses. pnwmom Jun 2012 #7
Martin was standing his ground apparently and despite not having a weapon and sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #8
GOOD, that means Trayvon got in some good licks will he was defending his ground against Raine Jun 2012 #9
Interesting how there is a cell phone photo a few minutes after... joeybee12 Jun 2012 #10
The tragedy began when Zimmerman turtlerescue1 Jun 2012 #11
But whose blood was it? MO_Dem Jun 2012 #12
Why then did they send the second ambulance back telling them it shraby Jun 2012 #13
Maybe he'll think twice before stalking and harrassing and scaring a teenager again. kestrel91316 Jun 2012 #14
If that was said under oath he will be sharing a cell with the murderer madokie Jun 2012 #15
UNLESS he obtained the AMA nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #19
i don't understand why this matters JI7 Jun 2012 #16
Trying to build a "stand your ground" defense Amerigo Vespucci Jun 2012 #17
to me this shouldn't even matter, it's like someone who breaks into JI7 Jun 2012 #18
It's like the old, over-used sitcom plot... Amerigo Vespucci Jun 2012 #20
what is making me most upset is the race factor JI7 Jul 2012 #21
If Zimmerman walks, I'll be giving thanks for the fact that I live 3000 miles away Amerigo Vespucci Jul 2012 #23

uponit7771

(90,378 posts)
1. Felonious aggression began with the chase, if Martin was a girl being chased by a man this
Sat Jun 30, 2012, 06:22 PM
Jun 2012

...whole thing would've been moot by now

DearAbby

(12,461 posts)
3. And?
Sat Jun 30, 2012, 06:25 PM
Jun 2012

Even if that is true, Trayvon had the right to stand his ground...with the weapons he had.

Zimmerman still has to convincingly tell us why he left the safety of his vehicle, to place himself close enough to a can of Iced tea, and a bag of skittles.

I really don't see how Zimmerman's condition is relevant to the case. Since both should have equal protection under the law. This includes Martin's right to defend his life, when threatened.

auburngrad82

(5,029 posts)
4. Good. If a stranger came up to me with a gun I'd fight for my life too.
Sat Jun 30, 2012, 06:25 PM
Jun 2012

Doesn't change the fact that Zimmerman was the instigator and as such can't cry stand your ground.

mattclearing

(10,091 posts)
22. +1
Sun Jul 1, 2012, 03:36 AM
Jul 2012

Anyone who has heard the 911 call he placed can tell he was looking to get his ass beat. If he hadn't been armed it would have been a perfectly justified beatdown.

Junkdrawer

(27,993 posts)
5. Police station video makes that less than likely....
Sat Jun 30, 2012, 06:28 PM
Jun 2012

unless he was able to shower and change in the 30 minutes between the EMT and the station.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
6. I hope saith EMT obtained an AMA
Sat Jun 30, 2012, 06:31 PM
Jun 2012

no, I am not kidding... though the patient could honestly deny as long as all four extremities were moving and he was A&Ox3...

So EMT O'Rourke, did you obtain saith CYA document I always obtained in a far less litigious society?

pnwmom

(109,028 posts)
7. Minor head wounds are notorious for profuse bleeding, just like noses.
Sat Jun 30, 2012, 06:35 PM
Jun 2012

This means nothing. He didn't have a concussion, or we'd have heard about it.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
8. Martin was standing his ground apparently and despite not having a weapon and
Sat Jun 30, 2012, 06:38 PM
Jun 2012

being so much younger than Zimmerman, it looks like he was doing a good job of it. But Zimmerman, like so many of these people who are only tough when they are holding a weapon, was too scared to handle the situation so he took the cowardly way out and killed him.

I think Martin saw the gun, and in the video, Zimmerman kind of alludes to that, and was fighting for his life assuming this was an armed criminal. Sadly he lost that battle.

 

joeybee12

(56,177 posts)
10. Interesting how there is a cell phone photo a few minutes after...
Sat Jun 30, 2012, 06:50 PM
Jun 2012

Who took the picture and who broke his nose?

turtlerescue1

(1,013 posts)
11. The tragedy began when Zimmerman
Sat Jun 30, 2012, 07:30 PM
Jun 2012

decided to leave his vehicle. Surely I am not the only DUer who has knowledge of citizen patrols/neighborhood watch!

Zimmerman KNEW a squad had been dispatched. "911" told him "We don't need you to do that."

Obviously the first rule is not to "patrol" alone. But the bigger rules are you do not engage nor confront. You observe, you get a description. You stay in your vehicle until a uniformed officer arrives. Zimmerman set the scene for what took place, he made a choice, a decision.
He knew he didn't have a badge nor authority. Everything else that took place was due to a choice to be above the parameters of citizen patrol. He wouldn't have had stitches nor head wound had he behaved as he KNOWS he was supposed to. Looks like he felt he was above the law. And a young man wouldn't be dead!

MO_Dem

(2,358 posts)
12. But whose blood was it?
Sat Jun 30, 2012, 07:53 PM
Jun 2012

Was it Zimmerman's blood, or was it Trayvon's blood? I doubt that there's any proof.

shraby

(21,946 posts)
13. Why then did they send the second ambulance back telling them it
Sat Jun 30, 2012, 08:28 PM
Jun 2012

wasn't needed? Just needed one ambulance to transport Martin.

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
14. Maybe he'll think twice before stalking and harrassing and scaring a teenager again.
Sat Jun 30, 2012, 08:41 PM
Jun 2012

His victim had every right to stand his ground and defend himself.

I hope it hurt, Zimmy.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
15. If that was said under oath he will be sharing a cell with the murderer
Sat Jun 30, 2012, 08:43 PM
Jun 2012

before this is all said and done.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
19. UNLESS he obtained the AMA
Sat Jun 30, 2012, 09:36 PM
Jun 2012

in which case, he is free and clear. The injuries he described should have led to a transport in full C-SPINE precs to the hospital... which Zimmy could refuse, since he was moving all four extremities and was fully oriented, after signing the required cover your ass paperwork.

Pretty standard actually, if he obtained that signature... if not, well he could be in trouble with a medical director at the very least.

Amerigo Vespucci

(30,885 posts)
17. Trying to build a "stand your ground" defense
Sat Jun 30, 2012, 08:46 PM
Jun 2012

Trying to stack evidence proving that he "feared for his life" and had no choice other than to shoot Trayvon.

JI7

(89,290 posts)
18. to me this shouldn't even matter, it's like someone who breaks into
Sat Jun 30, 2012, 09:33 PM
Jun 2012

someone else's home suing the owner of that home for causing injury .

how can one stand their ground when they go after someone out in the streets, follows them in a vehicle and then runs after them. i don't believe all these injuries but even if it were true it was Trayvon who was standing his ground. it was travon who has a reasonable fear for his life .

Amerigo Vespucci

(30,885 posts)
20. It's like the old, over-used sitcom plot...
Sat Jun 30, 2012, 09:50 PM
Jun 2012

...someone backing up in a parking lot barely taps the car behind them and the next day that person is sitting in court in a neck brace.

Same thing with Zimmerman. He shot that kid, he screwed up BIG TIME, he KNEW it, and immediately everyone in his orbit started spouting legalese and citing "Stand Your Ground." I attribute much of that to his father. I think it's very reasonable to assume that he's orchestrated much of what's happened since the shooting, and continues to do so.

No matter how much drama the Zimmerman family wants to bring to this, one thing remains true. Zimmerman didn't have to get out of his car, Zimmerman wasn't supposed to be carrying a gun in his self-appointed neighborhood watch captain role, Zimmerman was told that he "didn't need to" pursue Trayvon...there is so much evidence pointing to Zimmerman as instigator, plus the unarmed Trayvon was standing his ground on the way back to his father's house.

This all sounds great on paper. Zimmerman could still walk. I don't think most of us...myself included...have a clue as to the depth of corruption in the Sanford legal system. The contradictions are all cataloged on DU. The truth may not matter. Zimmerman's version of the truth may set him free. We'll have to wait and see.

JI7

(89,290 posts)
21. what is making me most upset is the race factor
Sun Jul 1, 2012, 03:30 AM
Jul 2012

if Trayvon was not a black male. and especially if the roles were switched with the dead kid being a white kid and the shooter being black this would not even be an issue.

Amerigo Vespucci

(30,885 posts)
23. If Zimmerman walks, I'll be giving thanks for the fact that I live 3000 miles away
Sun Jul 1, 2012, 09:27 AM
Jul 2012

This case features a guy who, for all intents and purposes, is a racist. One need look no further than his old MySpace account.



“I dont miss driving around scared to hit mexicans walkin on the side of the street, soft ass wanna be thugs messin with peoples cars when they aint around (what are you provin, that you can dent a car when no ones watchin) dont make you a man in my book. Workin 96 hours to get a decent pay check, gettin knifes pulled on you by every mexican you run into!”


He's on some heavy meds, he has a history of violence...

...and so far, NO ONE has been able to PROVE that Trayvon was doing anything OTHER THAN walking home with his Skittles and ice tea before he was CONFRONTED by Zimmerman.

But from the beginning, Zimmerman's camp has done its best to present Trayvon as the scary hoodie-wearing black guy who spoke in Jimmy Cagney sentences like "You're gonna DIE tonight."

This crap probably wouldn't sell in California. But in Sanford Florida, a scary black guy in a hoodie is scary indeed. Ain't that America, for you and me?
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