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Some day a leader would win an election for president and then use the power and resources available to him as chief executive to disembowel democracy to the point of transforming it into an autocracy. And they knew just what sort of character would do that: a flamboyant charlatan who lied at every turn, used those lies to channel resentments at the status quo into votes that sent him into office, and then did not scruple to abuse his new power to amass even more power. In short, they feared the election of a Donald Trump.
They knew a lot about tyrants. They had worked very hard to get out from under one, King George III of Great Britain. Since 1760, when he ascended to the throne, they had watched in horror as Great Britains limited monarchy and Parliamentary democracy, once revered as the best government in the world, slid into practices that history taught prepared the way for tyranny. Benjamin Franklin identified these in 1775 when he wrote home from London about the extream Corruption prevalent among all Orders ofMen in this old rotten State [and the] Numberless and needless Places, enormous Salaries, Pensions, Perquisites, Bribes, groundless Quarrels, foolish Expeditions, false Accompts or no Accompts, Contracts and Jobbs [that] devour all Revenue and produce continual Necessity in the Midst of natural Plenty.
The Declaration of Independence featured the Founders long list of George IIIs crimes against America, a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. Particularly galling was his transporting large Armies of Foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, an action totally unworthy of the Head of a civilized nation. For George Washington, the hiring of the mercenaries was the final piece of evidence that George III had become a despot. Franklin, in designing a Great Seal for the new country, chose a biblical scene with the motto, Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to God.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/our-founding-fathers-feared-a-trump
Wawannabe
(5,692 posts)Drove my Chevy to the levee but the levee was (dead) dry.
The fourth be with you!
Till don the con is gone!
dalton99a
(81,713 posts)and his malignant crowd
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)that a certain sub-set of colonists principally objected to. But in 1776, roughly one-third of colonists wished to remain subjects of Britain. I like Benjamin Franklin, don't get me wrong. But we should never forget Ambrose Bierce's observation that politics is merely a "strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles. The conduct of public affairs for private advantage."
Put another way, why would a bunch of slave-holding Tidewater planters want to separate from a UK on the verge of the abolition of slavery???
beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)what is inside us as americans. I would never diminish or disrespect the sacrifice made by our forefathers setting the course and the creation of our country. All those who have fought and died to raise our flag over the 13 colonies and all those who since died in keeping america intact. Even with now, with all thats going on people are still lined up to come america...why is that? because we still offer the GREATEST OPPORTUNITY to succeed.
instead of lamenting the current situation of trump...conservatives, celebrate the wonders of america and prepare youself to do all YOU can do to take our country back in 2018 and 2020.
handwringing won't win seats or elections
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)land from its indigenous inhabitants and the kidnapping, torture, murder and forcible transport and enslavement of Africans.
This country started in great crimes aganst humanity and Trump just represents the latest installment.
You need to get over your American exceptionalism. That's part of what made Trump possible in the first place with his MAGA bullshit.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)My parents came from England in the 50s.
I have a dual citizenship. Today I put my American flag up and I'm flying it proudly.
The pillock and his deplorables will never defeat me.
grossproffit
(5,591 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)kimbutgar
(21,297 posts)Too embarrassed and sick over what has happened to our country on a November 9th 2016
CousinIT
(9,279 posts)0rganism
(23,997 posts)other countries better be taking notes
from the wikipedia:
Book VIII
Socrates discusses four unjust constitutions: timocracy, oligarchy, democracy, and tyranny. He argues that a society will decay and pass through each government in succession, eventually becoming a tyranny, the most unjust regime of all.
The starting point is Aristocracy, a just government dominated by the wisdom-loving element. When its social structure breaks down and enters civil war, it is replaced by Timocracy. The Timocratic government is dominated by the spirited element, with a ruling class of warriors or generals (Ancient Sparta is an example). As the emphasis on honor is compromised by wealth accumulation, it is replaced by Oligarchy. The Oligarchic government is dominated by the desiring element, in which the rich are the ruling class. The gap between rich and poor widens, culminating in a revolt by the underclass majority, establishing a Democracy. Democracy emphasizes maximum freedom, so power is distributed evenly. It is also dominated by the desiring element, but in an undisciplined, unrestrained way. The populism of the Democratic government leads to mob rule, fueled by fear of oligarchy, which a clever demagogue can exploit to take power and establish Tyranny. In a Tyrannical government, the city is enslaved to the tyrant, who uses his guards to remove the best social elements and individuals from the city to retain power (since they pose a threat), while leaving the worst. He will also provoke warfare to consolidate his position as leader. In this way, tyranny is the most unjust regime of all.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_(Plato)