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Barack_America

(28,876 posts)
Sat Jul 8, 2017, 10:40 PM Jul 2017

Trump collusion: the Magnistky Act

Last edited Sun Jul 9, 2017, 12:02 AM - Edit history (1)


Trump Jr. says he, Kushner and Manafort met with lawyer tied to Kremlin

...The meeting between the Russian lawyer, Natalia Veselnitskaya, and the president’s inner circle became public the day after President Trump met in Germany with Russian President Vladimir Putin for the first time. Trump questioned Putin about Russian meddling during the 2016 election; the Russian leader denied any such interference.

Veselnitskaya is well known to advocates of sanctions against Russia, particularly the Magnitsky Act, which prohibits U.S. interaction with Russians alleged to have committed human rights violations. Congress’s passage of the law in 2012 angered Putin and led him to retaliate by halting American adoptions of Russian children...

...The adoption issue is frequently used as a talking point by opponents of the Magnitsky Act, said William Browder, an American financier who worked in Russia and lobbied for the sanctions, which are named after an auditor Browder employed, Sergei L. Magnitsky. Magnitsky died in a Russian prison under mysterious circumstances in 2009 after exposing a corruption scandal.

The act lists the names of individuals in Russia, including judges and other public officials, effectively blacklisting them from doing business in the United States.

“I can’t imagine that she brought up anything during the Trump Tower meeting other than the Magnitsky Act,” said Browder, who recalled Veselnitskaya defending three Russian businessmen against U.S. fraud charges connected to the business where Magnitsky worked, Browder’s Hermitage Capital. The case was settled in May...


https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-jr-says-he-kushner-and-manafort-met-with-lawyer-tied-to-kremlin/2017/07/08/18b86d36-6439-11e7-a4f7-af34fc1d9d39_story.html?utm_term=.054a7e7657d2

Collusion.

Trump Handed Putin a Stunning Victory

...Second, the two presidents agreed not to meddle in “each other’s” domestic affairs—equating American activities to promote democracy with Russian aggression aimed at undermining it, in an incalculable PR victory for the Kremlin...

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/07/07/trump-handed-putin-a-stunning-victory-215353

Did Trump just agree to get rid of Magnitsky? Promise kept?

(Edited to hone in on Magnitsky angle)
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Trump collusion: the Magnistky Act (Original Post) Barack_America Jul 2017 OP
My oldest daughter was trying to adopt from there. They have ALOT of onecaliberal Jul 2017 #1
Don't we have thousands of children here needing homes? we can do it Jul 2017 #2
Not white children Not Ruth Jul 2017 #3
O I C we can do it Jul 2017 #4
It's often true the other way, too. Igel Jul 2017 #16
Russian adoptions are not the point, Trump Jr. discussed the Magnistky act. Barack_America Jul 2017 #5
Flew right over my head. we can do it Jul 2017 #7
No worries. Looks like it will be tomorrow's news. Barack_America Jul 2017 #8
Thank you for sharing this. It explains the attempted "adoptions" dodge. This was about sanctions. writes3000 Jul 2017 #10
Precisely. Barack_America Jul 2017 #11
Preet Bharara is tweeting about this as well. writes3000 Jul 2017 #12
And Trump just agreed to not "meddle" in Russian "domestic affairs". Barack_America Jul 2017 #14
Wow! Hadn't thought about Blue_Roses Jul 2017 #19
Thanks for this link. blaze Jul 2017 #20
Yes we do Lotusflower70 Jul 2017 #6
Circumstances can be different for all Not Ruth Jul 2017 #9
Sad but true Lotusflower70 Jul 2017 #13
Thread title and content updated. Nt Barack_America Jul 2017 #15
The Act is law. Igel Jul 2017 #17
K&R smirkymonkey Jul 2017 #18

onecaliberal

(33,034 posts)
1. My oldest daughter was trying to adopt from there. They have ALOT of
Sat Jul 8, 2017, 10:53 PM
Jul 2017

Children in orphanages, so does Ukraine.

Igel

(35,404 posts)
16. It's often true the other way, too.
Sun Jul 9, 2017, 03:18 AM
Jul 2017

A lot of people don't want white kids adopting black or Asian kids, or if they do they want them raised in "their" culture and sensitized to the issues from "their community's" culture. It makes for another burden to carry--and makes it sound like maybe adopting a kid from overseas and dealing with abuse issues there is easier than dealing with teaching not-your-culture to the person living in your house.

Some agencies will only let a kid be cross-racially adopted after a certain length of time passes or if there's no interest.

Barack_America

(28,876 posts)
8. No worries. Looks like it will be tomorrow's news.
Sat Jul 8, 2017, 11:15 PM
Jul 2017

This WaPo article is pretty fresh.

Synopsis: Trump Jr. says the meeting was about "Russian adoptions". Now we know why.

writes3000

(4,734 posts)
10. Thank you for sharing this. It explains the attempted "adoptions" dodge. This was about sanctions.
Sat Jul 8, 2017, 11:17 PM
Jul 2017

And how the Trumps could benefit Russia.

Barack_America

(28,876 posts)
14. And Trump just agreed to not "meddle" in Russian "domestic affairs".
Sat Jul 8, 2017, 11:33 PM
Jul 2017

Thanks for the link, this is something we all need to educate ourselves about.

Blue_Roses

(12,894 posts)
19. Wow! Hadn't thought about
Sun Jul 9, 2017, 05:21 AM
Jul 2017

it like that until now. So that's what the "not meddle in domestic affairs" means. I wondered what that had to do with anything. And most people will keep believing DT's BS and never see how the U.S. is being bamboozled.

Lotusflower70

(3,077 posts)
6. Yes we do
Sat Jul 8, 2017, 11:07 PM
Jul 2017

But sometimes it is easier to adopt overseas. A couple of my friends tried to adopt here but had no luck so they adopted overseas.

 

Not Ruth

(3,613 posts)
9. Circumstances can be different for all
Sat Jul 8, 2017, 11:17 PM
Jul 2017

Note the second criteria for Chinese adoptions

Here are the specifics for single women to adopt:

A woman must be between the ages of 30 and 50. A woman over 50 can still adopt a special focus child, but the age difference between the child and the applicant can be no more than 45 years.

The woman must sign a statement that she is not a homosexual. She must give her reason for being single and her attitude towards marriage. (In other words, would she be open to being married.)

She can have no more than two children in her home under the age of 18, and her youngest child should not be younger than 6.

A single woman can only adopt one special focus adoption at a time. (Married couples can adopt two special focus children at a time.) Singles can reapply for another child after one year.

The woman must meet the health requirements (physical and mental) of the traditional China adoption program. (An issue for many people is the 2 year prohibition on antidepressants.

Exceptions have sometimes been made for special needs adoptions, but it is not clear and probably doubtful whether an exception will be made for single women.)

Income Requirements: The family annual income shall reach $10,000 per family member, including the prospective adoptee and the family net assets value should be $100,000. The applicant must have adequate medical insurance to cover the medical expense of the adopted child.

Applicants should have experience in caring for children or be occupied in child-related fields, such as doctor, nurse, teacher, child psychological counselor, etc. Preference will be given to applicants that have had successful experience in caring for special needs children.

The applicant must have wide social and family supporting network that can provide assistance any time.

If the woman has a stable relationship and lives with a male partner, the requirements of couple applicants shall be applied.

Igel

(35,404 posts)
17. The Act is law.
Sun Jul 9, 2017, 03:20 AM
Jul 2017

At best, Trump could invoke prosecutorial discretion for not enforcing laws he deems unnecessary or politically or humanely improper.

IMHO, prosecutorial discretion is a case-by-case issue dealt with fairly low in the food chain, not a law-by-law issue determined by the top dog.

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