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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAs one Democrat, I would be willing to let Mueller do his job and not talk about Russia if...
...Donald Trump would stop attacking the investigation and the investigators.
I would be willing to let Mueller get all the facts and lay them on the table. We don't need Donald Trump attempting to change the facts every day.
But, I am not willing to drop the Russia attack upon our election and the appearance of collusion from Trump and his team without a complete investigation. It doesn't matter to me how long it takes.
Is it too much to ask for the truth and the facts when there is a threat upon our democracy?
But, if Donald Trump stops talking about Mueller and the investigation and stops his intimidating and obstruction, then I would be willing to stop talking about Donald Trump's collusion with the Russians.
In my opinion, the media would stop a lot of their coverage on Russia-Trump connections if he did not revive them every day. He just needs to shut up and let Mueller and the investigators do their job. If he has done nothing wrong, what does he have to fear? What does he have to fear?
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)can most likely be because Trump fears what will be uncovered.
But even if proof of collusion and/0r proof of Russian funding and hacking is uncovered, will that 35% of apparently hardcore Trump supporters accept such proof and change their minds about Trump?
kentuck
(111,111 posts)But, they would be the minority. And that point should be made very clear to them.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)But in the alternative facts universe, such polling will also be dismissed.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)population scares me.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)stop supporting him for a myriad of reasons. Also, there is always the psychological primacy principle. Some people form concrete cognitions about what they first hear ... others, simply can't swallow their pride and admit they were wrong. The republicans have made working these individuals an art form and fine tune their psyops employed on them
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)They work, they interact with others, the live normally. I know quite a few of them, and other than their politics they appear to grasp reality. But one thing I have noticed (among those Trump supporters that I know) is that they are frightened of the change that they see.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)discussion could be applied to many of us.
I know a number that are wonderful people/friends. I know one person that can't stand anything about Trump, but yet supports him. Why? She's "afraid" the democrats will take all of her money.
Exactly as you say, all fear based, and the republicans know how to work that. And as demonstrated in medical studies/brain analyses ... some have more developed fear centers and are afraid, and that fear can be worked against their own best interests. You've probably heard of these studies already, but I have some links if you want them. Some individuals are just simply fearful, a well developed primordial instinct.
That said, I'm afraid of Trump, his cohorts and republicans. I think I might fall into that category a bit. ... but I feel my fear is rationally based.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Because they have no filters or inhibitions against doing whatever they want to get what they want.
Fear is a very useful trait, but it must be balanced with judgement.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)tblue37
(65,558 posts)Last edited Sun Jul 23, 2017, 12:48 PM - Edit history (1)
Trump's right about one thing though- he could shoot someone in the middle of Fifth Avenue and not lose most of his support. 45% say they would still approve of him even if he shot someone to 29% who say they would disapprove, and 26% who aren't sure one way or the other.
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Many more appalling survey results at link! For example (emphasis added):
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2017/07/health-care-a-mine-field-for-republicans-many-trump-voters-in-denial-on-russia.html
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)or despair of the 45% who would approve and the 26% who are not sure?
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)"bring it on"! If he shut his mouth he would be far better off IMO. The more he whines the deeper they likely dig.