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'I dont know why you wouldnt be scared': Former Vice President Walter Mondale sounds off on Trump and Trumpism
By Eric Black | 08/28/17
Former Vice President Walter Mondale: "{Trump} has an appalling record for using lies or near lies to draw outrageous conclusions
We cant accept that."
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'Youre right to be scared'
I asked whether Mondale had any thoughts about how this story ends. Does he take seriously the idea that Trump could be impeached or removed under the 25th Amendment (which requires a finding the president is so impaired to be unable to continue in office)?
I dont know the man, so I shouldnt pretend to know what he might do. But hes been quoted as saying this job is so tough that people are asking him why he puts up with it. Hes been quoted as saying that the White house is a dump. And he looks like a very lonesome, unsettled man. Hes not close to the party. Hes not close to the Congress. Im not predicting it, but what might happen is hell just quit and go home.
As for impeachment, while Republicans control both chambers, the pressure against that is just too difficult. Time could change that.
I lived through the Nixon period. A couple of years out from the impeachment period, you never heard a word about it. But eventually you started hearing voices from Republicans, like Barry Goldwater, telling him hed better just go home. And he resigned. But Nixon was a brilliant man.
I said that I hadnt been able to figure out what Trumpian qualities that I would call brilliant. Mondale interjected:
Ill answer your question. You cant find it, because its not there. I follow this guy as closely as I can and nothing rings true. Hes got some people there, mostly generals, who are maybe stable and strong that seem to be providing some stability but, boy, the rest of it is just a mess.
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riversedge
(70,466 posts)Nixon finally took the advice and resigned. I don't think trump will do that. Who would tell them that that he would listen too? Maybe his family--the Kushners--or even his sons if Mueller is getting toooooooooooooo close to their finances. Just wondering.
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I lived through the Nixon period. A couple of years out from the impeachment period, you never heard a word about it. But eventually you started hearing voices from Republicans, like Barry Goldwater, telling him hed better just go home. And he resigned. But Nixon was a brilliant man
Dustlawyer
(10,499 posts)in the world or being able (he thinks) to pardon himself.
PatSeg
(47,770 posts)to get out of this gig, I think he might resign. He is not enjoying this power at all. He looks miserable most of the time. Though he might be looking at the presidency as a protection against prosecution for possibly more crimes than we know.
livetohike
(22,172 posts)us. Trump is much worse than Nixon.
tomp
(9,512 posts)i see trump as a symptom of the problem, not the problem itself.
Of course trump is a horrible human being; there's no debating that.
but in terms of policies, the only real difference is how OPENLY racist and pro-corporate trump is. Nixon was just as bad, but was so much better of a politician. it is only nixon's veneer that keeps us from equating the two. i
n the end, the people got a glimpse of how bad nixon was, but judging by your post, they didn't get the whole picture. follow the money and you end up at the same place...corporatism/imperialism.
livetohike
(22,172 posts)greed. Trump is the poster boy for greed. While it might be nice to fantascize that it will ever change, that is not going to happen.
I was in college during Nixon's Presidency. From the view colored by years and perspective, some of the policies he pushed look liberal today. For years I thought there could be no one worse. Then Reagan came along. The affable fool. Then George W. Bush. In my opinion Trump is worse than any of the others. He's corrupt without Nixon's brains, he's folksy playing to the swarms of fearful xenophobes and he is dangerous because he doesn't have people around him to give good advice. Even if he did, he's too proud to heed it. In addition, he is mentally unstable. It would be best for him to resign, but he won't.
frazzled
(18,402 posts)If he resigns the prosecutorial floodgates open. He has to be able first to pardon all his friends, family members, and of course, himself. Maybe then he could resign. The White House is all that's standing between him and the big house. It's his get out of jail free card.
So I ask that all the prosecutors hurry up.
Scarsdale
(9,426 posts)pardons are not valid in NY, for tax evasions, money laundering etc. This is why Mueller has lawyers on his team looking into the money schemes in NY real estate. tRump's good buddy, Felix Sater has already told his family that he and tRump could be going to prison. Rightfully so, both have screwed people over for YEARS. Time to pay the piper. I personally would like to see the entire tRump family have to pay for their money laundering scams.
tomp
(9,512 posts)...he would immediately relocate all his assets to a country whose laws will protect them, and then resign and relocate himself and his family to a non-extradition country.
knowing that he only cares for himself, he might even do that and let everyone else, family included, fend for themselves. of course, he better have good security, 'cause a lot of people will have a bone to pick with him.
TexasBushwhacker
(20,256 posts)I don't think he can just go to a gold plated island somewhere and spend his days counting his money.
delisen
(6,050 posts)offer both federal and state prosecutors.
I think you are right that the power of the pardon is one of the few things keeping him from resigning. Another might a desire some some big real or fake "win" so he can claim a victory.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,719 posts)He captures my sentiments. I too love Hillary and know she wanted to do well, as she understood it, but she was not an especially effective campaigner. The irony is the same could have been said about him. If we had a parliamentary democracy they both would have made fine prime ministers.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)In particular in 2002 when he was chosen to replace Wellstone on the ballot.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,719 posts)I did witness his vice presidential and presidential campaigns. He was an enthusiastic campaigner and "Happy Warrior" like his mentor, Hubert Humphrey.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Then I thought he'd get in in 1988, but we all know what happened there.
Anyway, I do like Walter Mondale a lot. It was very disappointing when Norm Coleman won that election in MN. Thankfully Al Franken quickly replaced him.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,719 posts)Reagan would have beat Hart too. Perhaps it would have been closer.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)gordianot
(15,259 posts)There is no silver lining the barbarians cleared the gate plunder is for the taking. The only solace I take in this mess is the possibility Trump hates his job.
yardwork
(61,798 posts)Unfortunately, too few Americans support intelligence and decency.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)klook
(12,174 posts)Mondale's perspective is wise and most appreciated in this moment.
UTUSN
(70,793 posts)I didn't realize he was still living. That slap of mine aside, I'll say he's one of my list of our losing candidates who were more noble, smarter, of more integrity than the a-holes who beat them.
UTUSN
(70,793 posts)But the winner takes it all. The a-hole carnival barkers win. As LETTERMAN said about MONDALE after the next big loss for the replacement Senate seat, "Came back for another ass-kicking."
Sorry/not sorry but we need somebody to *WIN*.
*********My thing is, I'm with whomEVER our nominee is from whatever wing of our party to the bitter end, but when the end is bitter, it's time to move on to look for somebody who can *WIN*. The system we've got is winner takes all. Without winning, it's a generation of wilderness.