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babylonsister

(171,111 posts)
Sun Sep 3, 2017, 07:13 AM Sep 2017

'I dont know why you wouldnt be scared': Former Vice President Walter Mondale...

'I don’t know why you wouldn’t be scared': Former Vice President Walter Mondale sounds off on Trump and Trumpism

By Eric Black | 08/28/17

Former Vice President Walter Mondale: "{Trump} has an appalling record for using lies or near lies to draw outrageous conclusions … We can’t accept that."

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'You’re right to be scared'

I asked whether Mondale had any thoughts about how this story ends. Does he take seriously the idea that Trump could be impeached or removed under the 25th Amendment (which requires a finding the president is so impaired to be unable to continue in office)?

I see more and more people are suggesting that he may be unstable, he maybe can’t perform the duties of his office. My guess is that we’re a long way from seeing anything like that happen. What might happen is that Trump might just quit.

I don’t know the man, so I shouldn’t pretend to know what he might do. But he’s been quoted as saying this job is so tough that people are asking him why he puts up with it. He’s been quoted as saying that the White house is a dump. And he looks like a very lonesome, unsettled man. He’s not close to the party. He’s not close to the Congress. I’m not predicting it, but what might happen is he’ll just quit and go home.

As for impeachment, while Republicans control both chambers, the pressure against that is just too difficult. Time could change that.

I lived through the Nixon period. A couple of years out from the impeachment period, you never heard a word about it. But eventually you started hearing voices from Republicans, like Barry Goldwater, telling him he’d better just go home. And he resigned. But Nixon was a brilliant man.


I said that I hadn’t been able to figure out what Trumpian qualities that I would call “brilliant.” Mondale interjected:

I’ll answer your question. You can’t find it, because it’s not there. I follow this guy as closely as I can and nothing rings true. He’s got some people there, mostly generals, who are maybe stable and strong that seem to be providing some stability but, boy, the rest of it is just a mess.



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'I dont know why you wouldnt be scared': Former Vice President Walter Mondale... (Original Post) babylonsister Sep 2017 OP
Mondale sums it up nicely. But as was pointed out.. riversedge Sep 2017 #1
as much as he may hate it he will not resign. He cannot give up being seen as the most powerful man Dustlawyer Sep 2017 #10
If he could find a really good rationale PatSeg Sep 2017 #18
All of the former Presidents and V.P. need to come rescue livetohike Sep 2017 #2
I would argue that trump is not worse than nixon. tomp Sep 2017 #6
Corporatism/imperialism is not going to change because of livetohike Sep 2017 #13
He can't resign frazzled Sep 2017 #3
I read that Scarsdale Sep 2017 #4
if her were smart... tomp Sep 2017 #8
But then he would be starved for attention TexasBushwhacker Sep 2017 #22
Trump's lawyers are probably studying the deals they can delisen Sep 2017 #12
This is poignant DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2017 #5
He was also not a very effective canddiate oberliner Sep 2017 #11
Wasn't there to witness it. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2017 #14
I really thought 1984 was going to be Gary Hart oberliner Sep 2017 #15
I voted for Hart in the primaries, Mondale, of course, in the general. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2017 #16
K&R smirkymonkey Sep 2017 #7
Mondale has it right. gordianot Sep 2017 #9
An intelligent, decent man who would have been a far better president than Reagan. yardwork Sep 2017 #17
Deep shit. L. Coyote Sep 2017 #19
I hope all DUers read this and take it to heart. klook Sep 2017 #20
Rec this like I voted for him twice, but he lacks room to call Hillary a bad candidate. Plus UTUSN Sep 2017 #21
& of course what he says in the o.p. is characteristically/Dem intelligent/integrous/whatever UTUSN Sep 2017 #23

riversedge

(70,466 posts)
1. Mondale sums it up nicely. But as was pointed out..
Sun Sep 3, 2017, 07:23 AM
Sep 2017

Nixon finally took the advice and resigned. I don't think trump will do that. Who would tell them that that he would listen too? Maybe his family--the Kushners--or even his sons if Mueller is getting toooooooooooooo close to their finances. Just wondering.



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I lived through the Nixon period. A couple of years out from the impeachment period, you never heard a word about it. But eventually you started hearing voices from Republicans, like Barry Goldwater, telling him he’d better just go home. And he resigned. But Nixon was a brilliant man

Dustlawyer

(10,499 posts)
10. as much as he may hate it he will not resign. He cannot give up being seen as the most powerful man
Sun Sep 3, 2017, 08:41 AM
Sep 2017

in the world or being able (he thinks) to pardon himself.

PatSeg

(47,770 posts)
18. If he could find a really good rationale
Sun Sep 3, 2017, 09:49 AM
Sep 2017

to get out of this gig, I think he might resign. He is not enjoying this power at all. He looks miserable most of the time. Though he might be looking at the presidency as a protection against prosecution for possibly more crimes than we know.

 

tomp

(9,512 posts)
6. I would argue that trump is not worse than nixon.
Sun Sep 3, 2017, 08:20 AM
Sep 2017

i see trump as a symptom of the problem, not the problem itself.

Of course trump is a horrible human being; there's no debating that.

but in terms of policies, the only real difference is how OPENLY racist and pro-corporate trump is. Nixon was just as bad, but was so much better of a politician. it is only nixon's veneer that keeps us from equating the two. i

n the end, the people got a glimpse of how bad nixon was, but judging by your post, they didn't get the whole picture. follow the money and you end up at the same place...corporatism/imperialism.

livetohike

(22,172 posts)
13. Corporatism/imperialism is not going to change because of
Sun Sep 3, 2017, 08:45 AM
Sep 2017

greed. Trump is the poster boy for greed. While it might be nice to fantascize that it will ever change, that is not going to happen.

I was in college during Nixon's Presidency. From the view colored by years and perspective, some of the policies he pushed look liberal today. For years I thought there could be no one worse. Then Reagan came along. The affable fool. Then George W. Bush. In my opinion Trump is worse than any of the others. He's corrupt without Nixon's brains, he's folksy playing to the swarms of fearful xenophobes and he is dangerous because he doesn't have people around him to give good advice. Even if he did, he's too proud to heed it. In addition, he is mentally unstable. It would be best for him to resign, but he won't.

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
3. He can't resign
Sun Sep 3, 2017, 07:26 AM
Sep 2017

If he resigns the prosecutorial floodgates open. He has to be able first to pardon all his friends, family members, and of course, himself. Maybe then he could resign. The White House is all that's standing between him and the big house. It's his get out of jail free card.

So I ask that all the prosecutors hurry up.

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
4. I read that
Sun Sep 3, 2017, 07:53 AM
Sep 2017

pardons are not valid in NY, for tax evasions, money laundering etc. This is why Mueller has lawyers on his team looking into the money schemes in NY real estate. tRump's good buddy, Felix Sater has already told his family that he and tRump could be going to prison. Rightfully so, both have screwed people over for YEARS. Time to pay the piper. I personally would like to see the entire tRump family have to pay for their money laundering scams.

 

tomp

(9,512 posts)
8. if her were smart...
Sun Sep 3, 2017, 08:26 AM
Sep 2017

...he would immediately relocate all his assets to a country whose laws will protect them, and then resign and relocate himself and his family to a non-extradition country.

knowing that he only cares for himself, he might even do that and let everyone else, family included, fend for themselves. of course, he better have good security, 'cause a lot of people will have a bone to pick with him.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,256 posts)
22. But then he would be starved for attention
Sun Sep 3, 2017, 07:26 PM
Sep 2017

I don't think he can just go to a gold plated island somewhere and spend his days counting his money.

delisen

(6,050 posts)
12. Trump's lawyers are probably studying the deals they can
Sun Sep 3, 2017, 08:43 AM
Sep 2017

offer both federal and state prosecutors.

I think you are right that the power of the pardon is one of the few things keeping him from resigning. Another might a desire some some big real or fake "win" so he can claim a victory.










DemocratSinceBirth

(99,719 posts)
5. This is poignant
Sun Sep 3, 2017, 08:09 AM
Sep 2017
There’s also a lot of disappointment in Hillary. I know Hillary. I love her. We’re dear friends. But she was not a very effective candidate. She seemed too centered on the bureaucracy of the campaign. So I don’t think that we Democrats are blameless in this.


He captures my sentiments. I too love Hillary and know she wanted to do well, as she understood it, but she was not an especially effective campaigner. The irony is the same could have been said about him. If we had a parliamentary democracy they both would have made fine prime ministers.
 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
11. He was also not a very effective canddiate
Sun Sep 3, 2017, 08:42 AM
Sep 2017

In particular in 2002 when he was chosen to replace Wellstone on the ballot.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,719 posts)
14. Wasn't there to witness it.
Sun Sep 3, 2017, 08:46 AM
Sep 2017

I did witness his vice presidential and presidential campaigns. He was an enthusiastic campaigner and "Happy Warrior" like his mentor, Hubert Humphrey.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
15. I really thought 1984 was going to be Gary Hart
Sun Sep 3, 2017, 08:49 AM
Sep 2017

Then I thought he'd get in in 1988, but we all know what happened there.

Anyway, I do like Walter Mondale a lot. It was very disappointing when Norm Coleman won that election in MN. Thankfully Al Franken quickly replaced him.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,719 posts)
16. I voted for Hart in the primaries, Mondale, of course, in the general.
Sun Sep 3, 2017, 08:51 AM
Sep 2017

Reagan would have beat Hart too. Perhaps it would have been closer.

gordianot

(15,259 posts)
9. Mondale has it right.
Sun Sep 3, 2017, 08:30 AM
Sep 2017

There is no silver lining the barbarians cleared the gate plunder is for the taking. The only solace I take in this mess is the possibility Trump hates his job.

yardwork

(61,798 posts)
17. An intelligent, decent man who would have been a far better president than Reagan.
Sun Sep 3, 2017, 09:28 AM
Sep 2017

Unfortunately, too few Americans support intelligence and decency.

klook

(12,174 posts)
20. I hope all DUers read this and take it to heart.
Sun Sep 3, 2017, 11:52 AM
Sep 2017

Mondale's perspective is wise and most appreciated in this moment.

UTUSN

(70,793 posts)
21. Rec this like I voted for him twice, but he lacks room to call Hillary a bad candidate. Plus
Sun Sep 3, 2017, 01:04 PM
Sep 2017

I didn't realize he was still living. That slap of mine aside, I'll say he's one of my list of our losing candidates who were more noble, smarter, of more integrity than the a-holes who beat them.

UTUSN

(70,793 posts)
23. & of course what he says in the o.p. is characteristically/Dem intelligent/integrous/whatever
Sun Sep 3, 2017, 09:59 PM
Sep 2017

But the winner takes it all. The a-hole carnival barkers win. As LETTERMAN said about MONDALE after the next big loss for the replacement Senate seat, "Came back for another ass-kicking."

Sorry/not sorry but we need somebody to *WIN*.

*********My thing is, I'm with whomEVER our nominee is from whatever wing of our party to the bitter end, but when the end is bitter, it's time to move on to look for somebody who can *WIN*. The system we've got is winner takes all. Without winning, it's a generation of wilderness.

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