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So now Facebook admits to treason in presidential election. Hmmm, wonder how that's feeling (Original Post) Augiedog Sep 2017 OP
Any link so we can read about it? rurallib Sep 2017 #1
Thousands of Facebook Ads Tied to Bogus Russian Accounts dalton99a Sep 2017 #2
Watching on Rachel now. And yeah, I FB. nolabear Sep 2017 #5
thank you rurallib Sep 2017 #6
it's all over the internet Yonnie3 Sep 2017 #4
RAchel talking about it now. Amaryllis Sep 2017 #3
Facebook one of most destructive entities in the cyberworld. democratisphere Sep 2017 #7
Spies call it FSBook - as in the Russian version of the CIA-book sharedvalues Sep 2017 #17
Very witty FSB(ook) saidsimplesimon Sep 2017 #26
Treason? nini Sep 2017 #8
Your question is treason Orrex Sep 2017 #11
Your post is libel. Dr. Strange Sep 2017 #42
It's illegal to accept foreign money to influence U.S. elections FailureToCommunicate Sep 2017 #13
Did they know at the time? nini Sep 2017 #18
I think that's too broad a statement. Jim Lane Sep 2017 #66
Certainly un-American rockfordfile Sep 2017 #9
they won't care Skittles Sep 2017 #10
It's not a matter of not wanting to make an effort for some of us. Neema Sep 2017 #14
uh huh OK Skittles Sep 2017 #22
I guess I thought progressives had empathy for others Neema Sep 2017 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author Skittles Sep 2017 #27
Or perhaps reaching a conclusion predicated on the Fallacy of Unrepresentative Sample LanternWaste Sep 2017 #35
You're right. Neema Sep 2017 #50
I wouldn't worry too much about the criticism from someone with 100k posts on an ANONYMOUS Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2017 #39
exactly. I certainly don't. nt m-lekktor Sep 2017 #43
You're right. Neema Sep 2017 #49
Kids these days. Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2017 #53
At least I don't get "post removed" on facebook. m-lekktor Sep 2017 #44
I understand this. annabanana Sep 2017 #38
Thanks. Neema Sep 2017 #48
Funny; I always thought that was an advantage of RL (losing track). Ha! WinkyDink Sep 2017 #45
LOL. With some relatives yes. Neema Sep 2017 #51
My daughter's school uses it xmas74 Sep 2017 #37
I think 100,000 is a low ball number. Corgigal Sep 2017 #12
Facebook says they didn't know, everyone. sharedvalues Sep 2017 #15
Hey, maybe that will work on the prosecutors. "Gosh, we just didn't KNOW", despite being FailureToCommunicate Sep 2017 #19
It will work onenote Sep 2017 #54
"Facebook was the Trump campaign's partner" sharedvalues Sep 2017 #20
Video of Theresa Hong from the Trump campaign. .99center Sep 2017 #31
HOLY COW!. . . . n/t annabanana Sep 2017 #40
riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight Skittles Sep 2017 #23
That would be "Mark Z. says....." WinkyDink Sep 2017 #46
What we NEED: The ads. Facebook must disclose the ads Trump and the Russians ran sharedvalues Sep 2017 #16
Zuckerberg is too busy congratulating himself for supporting DACA to discuss this news. PubliusEnigma Sep 2017 #21
a pox on everyone who made that piece of shit a multi-billionaire Skittles Sep 2017 #24
A pox on 2 billion people? Blue_Adept Sep 2017 #61
Yep. Sure not a small pox, by any means. yagotme Sep 2017 #62
oooo, you bad! :D Blue_Adept Sep 2017 #63
What can I say, I'm a punny guy!!! yagotme Sep 2017 #64
and mark wants to be prez DonCoquixote Sep 2017 #28
Poor judgement? Yes. Need to change policies? Yes. Treason? Not quite. Gore1FL Sep 2017 #29
Facebook is complicit in hatemongering. AT BEST sharedvalues Sep 2017 #33
The definitely exercised poor judgement, and they need different procedures for ads. Gore1FL Sep 2017 #36
Not Facebook treason. But Facebook is terrible for America. sharedvalues Sep 2017 #67
Did Facebook fire it's editorial team before or after the propaganda deal with Putin? .99center Sep 2017 #30
Russia created propanganda media outlets sharedvalues Sep 2017 #34
Bumping in an attempt to bury these primary threads. .99center Sep 2017 #32
Whole thread should be read through!. . . n/t annabanana Sep 2017 #41
. sarisataka Sep 2017 #47
Corporations can admit to treason? Not Ruth Sep 2017 #52
Facebook is a cesspool TeapotInATempest Sep 2017 #55
I love the ones who tell me to go to FB to see their vacation photos Skittles Sep 2017 #65
Kicked MaeScott Sep 2017 #56
While I am always looking for something that will take down this administration, logosoco Sep 2017 #57
It's all about MFM008 Sep 2017 #58
There's a lot more to it than just $100,000 in ads... AntiFascist Sep 2017 #59
I still won't buy a Ford because of Nazi's! Blue_Adept Sep 2017 #60

dalton99a

(81,707 posts)
2. Thousands of Facebook Ads Tied to Bogus Russian Accounts
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 09:27 PM
Sep 2017
https://www.wired.com/story/facebook-ties-more-than-5000-political-ads-to-bogus-russian-accounts/
Thousands of Facebook Ads Tied to Bogus Russian Accounts

Amid ongoing concern over the role of disinformation in the 2016 election, Facebook said Wednesday it found that more than 5,000 ads, costing more than $150,000, had been placed on its network between June 2015 and May 2017 from "inauthentic accounts" and Pages, likely from Russia.

The ads didn't directly mention the election or the candidates, according to a blog post by Facebook's chief security officer Alex Stamos, but focused on "amplifying divisive social and political messages across the ideological spectrum—touching on topics from LGBT matters to race issues to immigration to gun rights." Facebook declined to discuss additional details about the ads.

Facebook says it had given the information to authorities investigating Russian interference in the 2016 election. "We know we have to stay vigilant to keep ahead of people who try to misuse our platform," Stamos wrote in the post. "We believe in protecting the integrity of civic discourse, and require advertisers on our platform to follow both our policies and all applicable laws."

Speculation has swirled about the role Facebook played spreading fake news during the 2016 election. Senator Mark Warner, vice chair of the Senate Intelligence Committee, has gone so far as to wonder whether President Trump's tech and data team collaborated with Russian actors to target fake news at American voters in key geographic areas. “We need information from the companies, as well as we need to look into the activities of some of the Trump digital campaign activities," Warner said recently.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/facebook-says-it-sold-political-ads-to-russian-company-during-2016-election/2017/09/06/32f01fd2-931e-11e7-89fa-bb822a46da5b_story.html
Russian firm tied to pro-Kremlin propaganda advertised on Facebook during election

Representatives of Facebook told congressional investigators Wednesday that the social network has discovered that it sold ads during the U.S. presidential campaign to a shadowy Russian company seeking to target voters, according to several people familiar with the company’s findings.

Facebook officials reported that they traced the ad sales, totaling $100,000, to a Russian “troll farm” with a history of pushing pro-Kremlin propaganda, these people said.

A small portion of the ads, which began in the summer of 2015, directly named Republican nominee Donald Trump and Democrat Hillary Clinton, the people said, although they declined to say which candidate the ads favored.

Most of the ads, according to a blog post published late Wednesday by Facebook’s chief security officer, Alex Stamos, “appeared to focus on amplifying divisive social and political messages across the ideological spectrum — touching on topics from LGBT matters to race issues to immigration to gun rights.”


nolabear

(42,004 posts)
5. Watching on Rachel now. And yeah, I FB.
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 09:31 PM
Sep 2017

There's no human way we can know what's going on all around us. I'll see how this plays out. It's a communication tool for lots of people and organizations important to me.

FailureToCommunicate

(14,034 posts)
13. It's illegal to accept foreign money to influence U.S. elections
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 10:13 PM
Sep 2017

So maybe not technically "treason" but, sure is damn close.

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Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
66. I think that's too broad a statement.
Thu Sep 7, 2017, 07:21 PM
Sep 2017

Foreigners aren't allowed to donate money to a campaign.

Does that mean that foreigners aren't allowed to influence an election? I doubt it. A foreigner standing up on a soapbox and endorsing a candidate seems to be a protected First Amendment activity. If the foreigner hires a hall in which to make the speech, does the owner of the hall break the law by renting it out for that purpose? Again, I doubt it. I'm no election law expert but I'm disinclined to agree with you without seeing a link.

Skittles

(153,310 posts)
10. they won't care
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 09:41 PM
Sep 2017

they NEED FB because otherwise they'd have to put some EFFORT into keeping in touch with family and friends

Neema

(1,151 posts)
14. It's not a matter of not wanting to make an effort for some of us.
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 10:16 PM
Sep 2017

I have a huge family (think just shy of Duggars without the fundamentalism), some who are very difficult to track down on a regular basis. FB is literally the only way we've been able to stay in touch in my family for the last 8-9 years through moves and illnesses and natural disasters and semi-homelessness and other circumstances that life throws at people trying to get by living in many different states. In another time and place I probably would have just lost some of them, not for lack of effort though.

Response to Neema (Reply #25)

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
35. Or perhaps reaching a conclusion predicated on the Fallacy of Unrepresentative Sample
Thu Sep 7, 2017, 08:23 AM
Sep 2017

Or perhaps reaching a conclusion predicated on the Fallacy of Unrepresentative Sample is where you were wrong.

Neema

(1,151 posts)
50. You're right.
Thu Sep 7, 2017, 12:14 PM
Sep 2017

I should have responded differently, I just don't appreciate people implying that I'm lying.

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,362 posts)
39. I wouldn't worry too much about the criticism from someone with 100k posts on an ANONYMOUS
Thu Sep 7, 2017, 09:23 AM
Sep 2017

... site.

Facebook is EVIL!!!

Neema

(1,151 posts)
49. You're right.
Thu Sep 7, 2017, 12:11 PM
Sep 2017

It just bugged me because, despite its flaws, FB has drastically changed my relationship with my family for the better.

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,362 posts)
53. Kids these days.
Thu Sep 7, 2017, 12:19 PM
Sep 2017

We used to travel by covered wagon to communicate with family.

Then, dagnabbit, they started in with that pony express.

Don't get me started on that telegraph machine.

Then life really went to shit with that new fangled telephone gadget.

Now life is ruined by a series of tubes.

Neema

(1,151 posts)
48. Thanks.
Thu Sep 7, 2017, 10:01 AM
Sep 2017

We tried that but, with different time zones and given the internet connections some of my sibs have, it never worked well enough. Plus it's good to have things written somewhere for others to read when they get to a library or somewhere with cell coverage. My family has a private group on FB, and that's been great. Especially for my mom's end-of-life care and a couple of my siblings' cancer diagnoses. Nobody wants to have to keep giving the same information over and over again. It's good to have a central place for that discussion, and to be able to go back and see when the last time mom had her pacemaker checked and what the doctor said about her meds, etc.

Corgigal

(9,291 posts)
12. I think 100,000 is a low ball number.
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 09:47 PM
Sep 2017

I bet some personal accounts went up even more. Round them up. That total was all Facebook might be aware of.

Me wonders if they were tracking those good marketing employees. Tapes please.

FailureToCommunicate

(14,034 posts)
19. Hey, maybe that will work on the prosecutors. "Gosh, we just didn't KNOW", despite being
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 10:33 PM
Sep 2017

asked repeatedly, and the $ coming from a St Petersburg troll farm group called Internet Research Agency

onenote

(42,835 posts)
54. It will work
Thu Sep 7, 2017, 12:33 PM
Sep 2017

Plus, I'm not sure that newspapers or magazines or websites accepting ads paid for by a foreign entity would violate the law. (Clearly, the foreign entity that made the expenditure would violate the law and when the money is accepted by a candidate, the candidate is violating the law, but a media outlet accepting payment for an ad -- not sure that would put the media outlet in the cross hairs).

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
16. What we NEED: The ads. Facebook must disclose the ads Trump and the Russians ran
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 10:19 PM
Sep 2017

What lies were spread by Russia and by the Trump campaign?
Facebook knows exactly what those ads said. But none of us do.

We must demand Facebook release those ads publicly. Our democracy is based on public disclosure of political advertising.

PubliusEnigma

(1,583 posts)
21. Zuckerberg is too busy congratulating himself for supporting DACA to discuss this news.
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 10:57 PM
Sep 2017

He really wants to be President. Too bad he helped give us the current one.

yagotme

(3,030 posts)
64. What can I say, I'm a punny guy!!!
Thu Sep 7, 2017, 02:18 PM
Sep 2017


BTW, Blue, is your name from the sci-fi books??? I've read most, if not all of the series, but it's been a day or two.

Gore1FL

(21,171 posts)
29. Poor judgement? Yes. Need to change policies? Yes. Treason? Not quite.
Thu Sep 7, 2017, 12:17 AM
Sep 2017

Treason noun trea·son ˈtrē-zən

1 : the offense of attempting by overt acts to overthrow the government of the state to which the offender owes allegiance or to kill or personally injure the sovereign or the sovereign's family

2 : the betrayal of a trust.


Taking ad money doesn't fit either definition.

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
33. Facebook is complicit in hatemongering. AT BEST
Thu Sep 7, 2017, 08:04 AM
Sep 2017

Facebook took tens of millions from the Trump campaign to run ads, many of which were hateful or racist.

Facebook knew what was in those ads yet they took the money.

America needs to see those ads. What did they say exactly? Were the ads racist? Were they homophobic? Facebook is keeping those ads secret.

Gore1FL

(21,171 posts)
36. The definitely exercised poor judgement, and they need different procedures for ads.
Thu Sep 7, 2017, 09:16 AM
Sep 2017

That still isn't treason as the OP explicitly stated, however.

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
67. Not Facebook treason. But Facebook is terrible for America.
Thu Sep 7, 2017, 11:56 PM
Sep 2017

If Facebook wants to redeem themselves, they should disclose all the dark ads Tuemp and Russia purchased, and disclose all the data that has hidden bots.

They'll never do that, because they make too much money off that kind of shady data. That's why Facebook is bad for America. We need very healthy regulation of Facebook and Google.

.99center

(1,237 posts)
30. Did Facebook fire it's editorial team before or after the propaganda deal with Putin?
Thu Sep 7, 2017, 12:25 AM
Sep 2017
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2016/10/12/facebook-has-repeatedly-trended-fake-news-since-firing-its-human-editors/?utm_term=.2cf168dcd1b9
Last May, however, Facebook faced a torrent of high-profile accusations about political bias on the Trending editorial team — so much so that, in the aftermath, the company decided to tweak the role humans play in approving Trending topics. On Aug. 26, Facebook laid off its editorial team and gave the engineers who replaced them a much different mandate when it came to vetting news. Where editors were told to independently verify trending topics surfaced by the algorithm, even by cross-referencing “Google News and other news sources,” engineers were told to accept every trending topic linked to three or more recent articles, from any source, or linked to any article with at least five related posts..

The previous editorial team could also influence which specific news stories were displayed with each topic, rejecting the story selected by the algorithm if it was “biased,” “clickbait” or irrelevant. Trending’s current quality review team does not vet URLs.

It’s a bar so low, it’s almost guaranteed to allow rumors about Megyn Kelly — if not, you know, the announcement of the Third World War. Facebook admitted as much in a statement during the Kelly aftermath, when it said the story “met the conditions for acceptance at the time because there was a sufficient number of relevant articles.”


sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
34. Russia created propanganda media outlets
Thu Sep 7, 2017, 08:05 AM
Sep 2017

So linking RT and Sputnik qualified as sources? Then Russia could get any story onto Facebook by linking to their own controlled propaganda sites.

TeapotInATempest

(804 posts)
55. Facebook is a cesspool
Thu Sep 7, 2017, 12:34 PM
Sep 2017

Mother posts pic of herself breastfeeding her baby? Take it down!

Iconic photo of young Vietnamese girl fleeing the horrors of war? Remove it!

Facebook accepts foreign money for ads meant to influence U.S. election? Eh, what's the big deal?



logosoco

(3,208 posts)
57. While I am always looking for something that will take down this administration,
Thu Sep 7, 2017, 01:45 PM
Sep 2017

I am more concerned about what else this issue brings up: ads.
I use Facebook a lot. Keeping up with old friends, sharing pictures, following famous folks I like, political groups, science groups. What I couldn't tell you is what kind of ads they have on my Facebook. Because I don't pay attention to ads. I don't rely on ads to figure out what toilet paper I buy, what laundry soap I use or to tell my doctor what kinds of medication I may need. So I am surely not going to base my election decisions on an AD!
Even before the internet I could research politicians and issues. There is no excuse not to do that now especially with all that information at everyone finger tips.
Even the ads that fill my mail box at election time get sent directly to the recycle bin.

But, that's just me. YMMV

AntiFascist

(12,792 posts)
59. There's a lot more to it than just $100,000 in ads...
Thu Sep 7, 2017, 01:56 PM
Sep 2017

Recall that FB cracked down on 30,000 fake accounts prior to the election in France. "Facebook said the accounts were spreading fake news stories, spam, misinformation or other deceptive content."

http://money.cnn.com/2017/04/14/media/facebook-fake-news-france-election/index.html
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