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madaboutharry

(40,248 posts)
Thu Sep 7, 2017, 08:55 PM Sep 2017

Donald Trump: Insurance Scammer

After Hurricane Wilma, Trump claimed $17,000,000 in damages to Mar-A-Lago. He eventually admitted that his property did not sustain such damage and that "he pocketed some of the money" and that the policy did not require it be reinvested. Reported by Chris Hayes just now on MSNBC.

Always a con artist.

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Donald Trump: Insurance Scammer (Original Post) madaboutharry Sep 2017 OP
Hell, that's what got him cilla4progress Sep 2017 #1
That's a felony BainsBane Sep 2017 #2
I made a typo, he claims he "did not" have to reinvest it according to the policy madaboutharry Sep 2017 #3
Yes but no fescuerescue Sep 2017 #4
What if you claim $17,000,0000 in damages madaboutharry Sep 2017 #5
well that would be fraud fescuerescue Sep 2017 #6
They never take the claimants word BainsBane Sep 2017 #8
Yes, it is BainsBane Sep 2017 #7
Insurers don't just cut a check for what you say your damage is RB TexLa Sep 2017 #9

madaboutharry

(40,248 posts)
3. I made a typo, he claims he "did not" have to reinvest it according to the policy
Thu Sep 7, 2017, 09:31 PM
Sep 2017

But isn't making a false claim insurance fraud? I think so. He got away with everything.

fescuerescue

(4,448 posts)
4. Yes but no
Thu Sep 7, 2017, 09:40 PM
Sep 2017

Making a false claim is certainly insurance fraud and if he did it, he committed fraud. (and at $17m an amazing level)

However if you submit a real claim, and the insurer cuts you a check, you are generally free to use those funds as you see fit.

Now in many cases, you might have a lien holder, and that lien holder's name will commonly be on the check - in which case the lien holder will sometimes not endorse unless you re-invest. But that's a civil contractual issue and the parties can agree with whatever they choose to agree with, and if not take it to civil court to work out.

For a real world example - if you own a car free and clear, and it gets wrecked/totaled the insurer will cut you a check. You are then free to buy a new car, fix the old one, or blow it a casino if you prefer.



madaboutharry

(40,248 posts)
5. What if you claim $17,000,0000 in damages
Thu Sep 7, 2017, 09:43 PM
Sep 2017

with full knowledge that your losses are nowhere near that amount?

fescuerescue

(4,448 posts)
6. well that would be fraud
Thu Sep 7, 2017, 09:47 PM
Sep 2017

However, Insurers generally take their own counsel as to what the damages are. At $17 million, I can't imagine they just cut a blind check. That amount would likely require endorsement at the C-level.

Heck I totaled a boat trailer last year, the damage was $4,000. Geico didn't take my word for it, they used their own adjusters to estimate the damage. I suspect that if the damage was $17,000,000.00 they would probably have their own adjuster put eyeballs on it before hitting print on the check printer.

BainsBane

(53,137 posts)
8. They never take the claimants word
Thu Sep 7, 2017, 10:41 PM
Sep 2017

never. Not in my experience anyway. Trump had to have bribed someone.

BainsBane

(53,137 posts)
7. Yes, it is
Thu Sep 7, 2017, 10:39 PM
Sep 2017

When I use geico's web interface for roadside assistance help, I get a message saying file not a false claim is a fellony. I had an insurance investigator at my house after my car was totaled, and that was over a claim of around $7k.

I also had my roof blown off in one of those same hurricane Trump filed a claim on, and Liberty Mutual refused to cover it claiming the damage was less than my deductible, which was pure bullshit. So how did he get that money for no damage?

 

RB TexLa

(17,003 posts)
9. Insurers don't just cut a check for what you say your damage is
Fri Sep 8, 2017, 12:16 AM
Sep 2017

they will make their own estimate regarding the damage. If they approved $17M, he can do whatever he wants with that money. Only entity that could say otherwise would be a lender with a lien on the property.
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