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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHow's that free market thing working out right now?
Millions of people are about to get hammered in Florida, and there's not enough plywood to cover windows, and not enough gas. There's an impoverished woman on tv who supports her elderly mother and her child with a job at Burger King that doesn't pay enough for her to have a car. She was at Home Depot trying to buy plywood, but there's none left. She was calm, though -- she can't evacuate, will stay in place, maybe go to a shelter, but she has the Lord.
The free market will now swoop in and help meet these real needs...how??
This is a natural disaster, and of course, no system will solve all problems. But there's little fat left in the system, for the masses, and there's a pervasive ideology that has slowed or reversed government progress for the common good -- a curtailment of sensible precautions. State governments have been depleted. We have remnants of governments that help in emergencies, like FEMA -- which is broke -- but in the end, Florida, like most of the country, has a car-dependent culture along with too many people for whom gas money alone is an obstacle.
What memes are popular?
"You're on your own." "Up by the bootstraps."
Or
"Provide for the common defense." "No man is an island."
My family in Tampa and St. Pete.... I am scared for them. One recovering from a newly discovered and not-yet-corrected heart problem and the other suffering this weekend from an essential medical treatment this morning, and alone. Neither evacuating. I had family in Houston who was able to escape before Harvey hit. I hate how far flung we are, choices made due in part to jobs and companies that relocated.
The new slightly more westward projection is terrifying!!
There are things that people spend money on because of definite needs. There are things that rich people buy because they can easily afford. There are things that people cannot or do not anticipate. And even if they anticipate a possibility, more basic needs are certainties that must take priority.
Good luck, dear Florida.
niyad
(113,966 posts)ProfessorGAC
(65,427 posts)MichMary
(1,714 posts)Venezuela has plywood for everyone! (BTW, they are using school buses and city buses to evacuate those without cars.)
lostnfound
(16,203 posts)guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Every country has rules and regulations concerning financial behavior. And capitalism benefits the true capitalists, meaning those who live by manipulating their capital. The rest of us are workers to be exploited by the capitalists.
Takket
(21,715 posts)Weekend Warrior
(1,301 posts)And as you state, supply or lack of supply isn't an indicator of a free market on its own.
Regulations stop them from getting the biggest bang for their products during this time.
lostnfound
(16,203 posts)The self-sufficiency, bootstraps worshippers pretend that each person should plan ahead for emergencies and take care of themselves and their neighbors. All well and good, but the reality is that many problems are much bigger than the individual, AND many individuals have been disadvantaged to the point that they can't afford even basic precautions let alone more expensive alternatives.
I did not grow up wealthy; we were working class. But in the 60s or 70s that was still a status that afforded plenty, including plenty of basic precautions.
rusty fender
(3,428 posts)will provide...
Weekend Warrior
(1,301 posts)It's strongly controlled by governments and private entities. Under a free market system premium gas in FL would be going for well over it's current rate of @$3.50/gal.
If your family is on the coastal sections of St. Pete or Tampa they aren't in a good position. It looks like the storm might go just to our east and that is a blessing. One of our greatest fears is heading it right into the mouth of the bay, which its current track does not have it going. We fear that as it would generate an enormous high tide. We are still going to see considerably high tides.
Please touch base with me on Tuesday if you need someone to check on your St. Pete relatives on Tuesday. If the roads are passable one of my friends or I could probably do a check. For St. Pete(Pinellas County) you can call 727-464-4333 for shelter information.
lostnfound
(16,203 posts)Every forecast gets worse for my beloved home town.
Thank you, by the way.
linuxman
(2,337 posts)at a markup, would that satisfy your free-market solution, or would you be upset by someone 'taking advantage' of the people in the affected area? Serious question.
lostnfound
(16,203 posts)The real point is that solutions to every societal challenge have become so politicized that practical answers are controversial due to ideology. The Ayn Rand people think free markets solve everything, and too many want to drown government in a bathtub.
I'm familiar with the logic you are pointing towards.
raven mad
(4,940 posts)My birth state (south of Miami at Coral Gables) bye.................