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Music Man

(1,184 posts)
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 01:31 AM Nov 2017

Donna Brazile has never impressed me. Her misinformed self-aggrandizement is no surprise.

Brazile works on campaigns that lose, most notably Al Gore's 2000 campaign. Yes, I know the Supreme Court cheated Gore out of a presidency that was rightly his, but the caution, distancing from Bill Clinton, selecting Joe Lieberman, and on and on helped make something much closer than it should have been. Her CNN commentary is nothing more than platitudes, and I have found her to be a beltway gadfly, emblematic of the same insider persona she decries in her book. I don't question her devotion to Democratic Party issues, but she is effectively irrelevant in American politics. Why not get Bob Shrum's opinion on something while we're at it?

I can't stomach post-Trump apologists. I have no interest in equivocation that couches criticism of Trump in ideas like "Hillary was just as bad because her campaign made deals with the DNC. See, I know the difference. Like me? Please?!?!?"

There's a special investigation into Russian disruption of the election, the potential destruction of our health care system, attacks on public schools, and a devastating tax cut for the rich. I have no respect for half-baked stories that serve not to keep our eyes on the prize, but to selfishly proclaim, "I know things you don't know!" Rehashing the 2016 primaries, with a loose hold on the facts of the matter, is tiring.

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Donna Brazile has never impressed me. Her misinformed self-aggrandizement is no surprise. (Original Post) Music Man Nov 2017 OP
Well said, Musicman. Thanks. MLAA Nov 2017 #1
She was milk toast at best... FarPoint Nov 2017 #2
me either.... chillfactor Nov 2017 #3
I haven't liked her since her horrible handling of Gore's campaign. There is nothing impressive lunamagica Nov 2017 #4
Tennessee in 2000 DonaldsRump Nov 2017 #5
Tennessee shifted between 1992 and 2000 Awsi Dooger Nov 2017 #6
Georgia in 1980; Minnesota in 1984 DonaldsRump Nov 2017 #7
C'mon, now. She needs the income from that book to survive. MineralMan Nov 2017 #8
I don't want to impugn her character. I hate what she did but I do not hate her. Madam45for2923 Nov 2017 #9
I don't hate her DonaldsRump Nov 2017 #10

chillfactor

(7,593 posts)
3. me either....
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 01:50 AM
Nov 2017

she seems to be wishy-washy.....and she had done great damage to the Democratic Party when we should be pulling togther to win elections in 2018. Betwwen her and bernie, I hope we can learn to overcome their disruptions and get together on the principles and values we hold dear in the Democratic Party.

lunamagica

(9,967 posts)
4. I haven't liked her since her horrible handling of Gore's campaign. There is nothing impressive
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 02:03 AM
Nov 2017

about her

DonaldsRump

(7,715 posts)
5. Tennessee in 2000
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 02:42 AM
Nov 2017

People forget that Al Gore lost his home state of Tennessee in 2000. The campaign headquarters was in Nashville. Had he won Tennessee, the Florida debacle wouldn't have mattered. Remember, this was a state that Bill Clinton won twice.

I seriously question what Donna Brazile has done for the Democratic Party, when she couldn't even win her candidate's home state. What she did this week is beyond comprehension.

Donna, go away.

 

Awsi Dooger

(14,565 posts)
6. Tennessee shifted between 1992 and 2000
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 03:34 AM
Nov 2017

The partisan index was moving steadily red. That means the state percentage in comparison to the national percentage.

It wasn't a surprise that Gore lost Tennessee. He wasn't going to carry that state unless he won the national popular vote by several points at minimum. Clinton in 1996 carried Tennessee by roughly 2.5 points while winning nationally by 8.5 points. So that demonstrates right there that Tennessee was roughly 6 points red, and that in itself was a partisan shift from 1992 when Clinton's national margin and Tennessee margin were almost identical, in the 5 point range.

Gore lost Tennessee by 4 points while winning nationally by about a half point. Tennessee really didn't matter. He wasn't going to carry Tennessee unless he won nationally by 4-5 points or more, which would have dragged Florida along by major non-recount margin along with -- from memory -- some state like Ohio.

Anyway, I agree with the OP that Donna Brazile is a mediocrity. Bob Shrum is an apt comparison. No hint of brilliance from either of them. I have no idea how people like that advance so far up the ranks with a natural stopper placed in front of them. We can't allow it to continue. Last year all it required was minimal competence to grasp that the wrong states were being prioritized.

DonaldsRump

(7,715 posts)
7. Georgia in 1980; Minnesota in 1984
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 11:21 AM
Nov 2017

I still think Tennessee was within Al Gore's grasp if it had been effectively handled. Remember that Jimmy Carter, a one-time governor, won Georgia in 1980 in a landslide loss to Reagan. In 1984, Walter Mondale eked out a victory in his home state of Minnesota in an even bigger landslide loss. Why couldn't have Al pulled off Tennessee, when these two examples show that there is still home-state advantage?

I know we are talking about different eras, but the Gores (both Al and his father) were a powerful machine for decades in Tennessee, and Brazile should have used those connections to allow a sitting vice-president to win his own home state. Tennessee absolutely did matter, as there were enough electoral votes there where a loss in Florida wouldn't have mattered. Gore lost by 4 EVs, and Tennessee had 11 EVs then. Tennessee clearly mattered, and Gore (and Brazile) lost it.

The Gore machinery that was there in Tennessee could have been used by a competent manager (not Brazile!) to win a state that would have won Gore the election without Florida, particularly where Clinton had won the state in the last two elections.

That being said, we fundamentally agree about Brazile. Good point about Shrum. I am not sure what he has ever accomplished.

Why don't we just bring Howard Dean back, and that will solve all issues!

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