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DanTex

(20,709 posts)
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 09:03 AM Nov 2017

To the people who are gloating about the Donna Brazile thing...

Yes, a lot of us did have a favorable opinion of her before this. That's because, for many years she was a loyal Democrat, and in doing so she had earned trust. But sometimes people that you trust end up being deceitful, and yes that sucks. So gloat away.

The flip side of that is, of course, that the people who are giddy about what Donna Brazile said are the same ones who up to that moment bashed her as a corporatist neoliberal etc, and now herald her as a truth-teller. And that also makes sense. For people who support the Democratic party, when a previously loyal Dem turns, they are disappointed, whereas for people who oppose the Democratic party, a turn like this is something to be celebrated.

None of that matters very much, though, because it took less than a day for what she said to be conclusively proven wrong. The supposed "rigging" of the primaries that Trump likes to tweet about is just as much of a nonsensical conspiracy theory as it ever was. The nomination went to the candidate chosen, by a large margin, by the voters, plain and simple.

The only real question here is what happened to make Donna Brazile so angry with her former colleagues that she would in effect commit career suicide and also hand the GOP a talking point, even though she must have known full well that what she wrote would be debunked in short order. Yeah, maybe she's just trying to sell books (and in that she will likely succeed), but it really seems to me like there must be something more that happened for her to turn on so many people that she had long relationships with like this.

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To the people who are gloating about the Donna Brazile thing... (Original Post) DanTex Nov 2017 OP
Dark money itsrobert Nov 2017 #1
What does that have to do with anything? DanTex Nov 2017 #2
She is compromised itsrobert Nov 2017 #5
Seems like her first interview after the release of the excerpt is going to be with Tucker Carlson. Squinch Nov 2017 #11
She Trumped us. Tatiana Nov 2017 #3
She believes the Democratic base is moving left marylandblue Nov 2017 #4
LOL She is anything but a Clintonite. nt DURHAM D Nov 2017 #6
She started as a Clinton protege in the 90s marylandblue Nov 2017 #9
Doubtful...because based on the real world, the country is not moving left and a Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #10
We play out wars between Berniecrats and Clintonistas marylandblue Nov 2017 #21
So centrists are being left behind? Doesn't seem like a winning strategy. Kirk Lover Nov 2017 #18
Post removed Post removed Nov 2017 #20
You're a much kinder person than I am. Glorfindel Nov 2017 #7
Probably some compromat... nt Raastan Nov 2017 #8
i even thought (briefly) she may be working for the 'other side' but i ... samnsara Nov 2017 #12
Bottom line...it did serious damage. Fast. It fed the opposition Guilded Lilly Nov 2017 #13
You know what? Nobody's gloating or giddy. mountain grammy Nov 2017 #14
Unexplanable weirdness MaryMagdaline Nov 2017 #15
DWS may have been an incompetent DNC boss but comradebillyboy Nov 2017 #16
Yep! Disappointed vs. Gleeful! Some even running to defund the DNC. So obvious. Madam45for2923 Nov 2017 #17
I believe she made a mistake. I bet she is mortified now. Madam45for2923 Nov 2017 #19

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
2. What does that have to do with anything?
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 09:06 AM
Nov 2017

BTW, "dark money", by definition, is money that can't be followed.

Squinch

(51,091 posts)
11. Seems like her first interview after the release of the excerpt is going to be with Tucker Carlson.
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 09:32 AM
Nov 2017

So it would seem that IS relevant.

Tatiana

(14,167 posts)
3. She Trumped us.
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 09:08 AM
Nov 2017

And that's not cool. That deserves the strongest, most public repudiation from the most popular leader in our party.

I'm looking at you Obama.....

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
4. She believes the Democratic base is moving left
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 09:08 AM
Nov 2017

And she diesn't want to be left behind as a centrist Clintonite.

Demsrule86

(68,837 posts)
10. Doubtful...because based on the real world, the country is not moving left and a
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 09:18 AM
Nov 2017

minority of Democrats are what you describe...Sen. Clinton whom you say is a centrist (not true) won the nomination in 16 with a clear majority. This refutes your claims.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
21. We play out wars between Berniecrats and Clintonistas
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 12:05 PM
Nov 2017

Between left and far left, on DU and are surprised when we see the same thing playing out at the highest levels of the Democratic Party?

Response to marylandblue (Reply #4)

Glorfindel

(9,750 posts)
7. You're a much kinder person than I am.
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 09:14 AM
Nov 2017

I chalk her actions up to red-eyed, slavering greed and nothing else. I hope she enjoys her 15 minutes of back-stabbing notoriety. She will go down in history along with Z*ll M*ller of Georgia and that repulsive Justice creep from West Virginia as a modern-day Brutus, licking the blood from her dagger.

samnsara

(17,667 posts)
12. i even thought (briefly) she may be working for the 'other side' but i ...
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 09:34 AM
Nov 2017

...think shes too smart for that. something got under her skin...pretty damned bad. And too bad. I doubt she will be heard from again unless its to explain and apologize.

Guilded Lilly

(5,591 posts)
13. Bottom line...it did serious damage. Fast. It fed the opposition
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 09:36 AM
Nov 2017

a tasty little snack of disingenuous diversionary pie at the worst possible time. It was, in THIS one woman’s opinion, a betrayal.

Besides the obvious satisfaction that “The Stupid” and The Cretin will get from this and NEVER let it go...I’m DONE with the fucking manipulations and ugliness constantly shoved upon Clinton. All the damned time, every day, every way.

This was, in my eyes, a jagoff move.
Totally.
And Warren?
Yeah, she shoved her foot into the jagoff circle, too.

And we live breathe and suffer the Cretin and his soulless party nightmare EVERY waking hour of our lives.
We don’t need this total crap.

mountain grammy

(26,676 posts)
14. You know what? Nobody's gloating or giddy.
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 09:43 AM
Nov 2017

There are issues that should be addressed.. We can be adults and discuss it or we can start spreading the hate of Independents to "impure" Democrats. That should work out well for us.

Has it ever occurred to anyone here that the critics care as much about Democratic victories as the loyal, true blue Democrats who refuse to accept or believe any criticism at all?

I guess, to be on DU will now mean to hate on Warren.. who will be the next victim?

MaryMagdaline

(6,859 posts)
15. Unexplanable weirdness
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 09:45 AM
Nov 2017

Interesting that when HRC finally did get control of the DNC after the nomination, she fired DWS and elevated Donna Brazile. DWS has said nothing.

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