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ismnotwasm

(42,028 posts)
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 02:10 PM Nov 2017

Donna Brazile: I considered replacing Clinton with Biden as 2016 Democratic nominee

Well Well. Digging that hole deeper


Former Democratic National Committee head Donna Brazile writes in a new book that she seriously contemplated replacing Hillary Clinton as the party’s 2016 presidential nominee with then-Vice President Biden in the aftermath of Clinton’s fainting spell, in part because Clinton’s campaign was “anemic” and had taken on “the odor of failure.”

In an explosive new memoir, Brazile details widespread dysfunction and dissension throughout the Democratic Party, including secret deliberations over using her powers as interim DNC chair to initiate the removal of Clinton and running mate Sen. Tim Kaine (Va.) from the ticket after Clinton’s Sept. 11, 2016, collapse in New York City.

Brazile writes that she considered a dozen combinations to replace the nominees and settled on Biden and Sen. Cory Booker (N.J.), the duo she felt most certain would win over enough working-class voters to defeat Republican Donald Trump. But then, she writes, “I thought of Hillary, and all the women in the country who were so proud of and excited about her. I could not do this to them.”


Brazile paints a scathing portrait of Clinton as a well-intentioned, historic candidate whose campaign was badly mismanaged, took minority constituencies for granted and made blunders with “stiff” and “stupid” messages. The campaign was so lacking in passion for the candidate, she writes, that its New York headquarters felt like a sterile hospital ward where “someone had died.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/brazile-i-considered-replacing-clinton-with-biden-as-2016-democratic-nominee/2017/11/04/f0b75418-bf4c-11e7-97d9-bdab5a0ab381_story.html?utm_term=.4bcaca6c970d
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Donna Brazile: I considered replacing Clinton with Biden as 2016 Democratic nominee (Original Post) ismnotwasm Nov 2017 OP
Strong stuff...Does Donna get a hide? BeyondGeography Nov 2017 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author Chasstev365 Nov 2017 #14
If I never hear of her again it'll be too soon. Blue_Adept Nov 2017 #2
She's auditioning for Fox... FarPoint Nov 2017 #28
Woah! I think Donna needs to go into acting. Madam45for2923 Nov 2017 #3
As I attempted to indicate earlier GusBob Nov 2017 #36
I have given her the benefit of the doubt but...but.. it's getting hard & this is getting weird. Madam45for2923 Nov 2017 #37
The sooner this worthless woman slither away the better. Nt joeybee12 Nov 2017 #4
Unfortunately, she's likely earned herself a standing invitation on Fox News. Bleacher Creature Nov 2017 #12
oh yeah, looks like she is headed for the gravy train. R B Garr Nov 2017 #22
Probably true. Fox will take any turncoat. Alice11111 Nov 2017 #23
Maybe, but Fox has been struggling themselves, moving hosts around, changing formats. Only anneboleyn Nov 2017 #61
Jesus H. Christ. So Brazile was going to take it upon herself Ilsa Nov 2017 #5
Dear lord this is so overwrought and silly greeny2323 Nov 2017 #6
No kidding! LisaM Nov 2017 #17
LOL, really! It's completely ludicrous. R B Garr Nov 2017 #24
Yeah, after she gave the useless questions to Hillary Alice11111 Nov 2017 #26
What bothers me is how much of this is untrue, per other accounts ismnotwasm Nov 2017 #7
"Timing is shit." No kidding. Give the Tweeter weapons Alice11111 Nov 2017 #29
I agree that she sounds unwell. greatauntoftriplets Nov 2017 #58
Umm, that's not how it works. WTH is wrong with her? NT Bleacher Creature Nov 2017 #8
Not sure ismnotwasm Nov 2017 #10
Who. even. gives. a. fuck. ??? Kirk Lover Nov 2017 #9
Oh, really? Wounded Bear Nov 2017 #11
This woman will say anything to flog her crappy book. Total Disgrace, DNC must sanction her. sunonmars Nov 2017 #13
I hope George Stephanopoulos tears her a new one tomorrow n/t W_HAMILTON Nov 2017 #15
If she had a proven track record of knowing how to get someone elected... NurseJackie Nov 2017 #16
Even her excerpt releases are bungled ismnotwasm Nov 2017 #21
Really, she was great in 2000 too. Alice11111 Nov 2017 #32
She is a repub mole (imho). The book sounds like Alex Jones wrote it -- weird conspiracy anneboleyn Nov 2017 #59
She should have been fired by the DNC when CNN fired her. Alice11111 Nov 2017 #65
This whole thing has a "Christina Crawford" or "BD Hyman" smell to it... NurseJackie Nov 2017 #18
It smells of how many headlines can i get for my shitty books, she wants the moolah! sunonmars Nov 2017 #19
Couldn't she just go down gracefully & take up painting? Alice11111 Nov 2017 #35
I am seeing her calling more in acting. Madam45for2923 Nov 2017 #39
Probably. I was referring to W's failed Prez as a model. Alice11111 Nov 2017 #40
Ah yes! I missed that! LOL! Madam45for2923 Nov 2017 #43
So she's trying to piss off Hillary and Bernie people. rogue emissary Nov 2017 #20
Legend in her own mind. tavernier Nov 2017 #25
Donna, just change your registration from D to R already. SCRUBDASHRUB Nov 2017 #27
She just bombed HER own party. Can't we kick her out? Alice11111 Nov 2017 #38
So she has sole say in who we nominate? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 2017 #30
We are about to find out this is a romance novel. Nt NCTraveler Nov 2017 #31
Is this 2-bit Hit Job any better than a James O'Keefe or other RWNJ special ??? Disgraceful muck. OnDoutside Nov 2017 #33
She was the one to choose? treestar Nov 2017 #34
It's funny how everyone who worked for Clinton tells a different story about life in Brooklyn StevieM Nov 2017 #41
Serious question: SCantiGOP Nov 2017 #42
As the DNC successfully argued in dismissing the Sanders donor lawsuit, hughee99 Nov 2017 #67
She's definitely auditioning for a job rusty fender Nov 2017 #44
Appoint a guy who didn't want to run over Bernie? Cattledog Nov 2017 #45
how exactly does that work? I thought biden didnt want to run? Afromania Nov 2017 #46
Such hubris. Mister Ed Nov 2017 #47
Why Biden instead of Bernie? fallout87 Nov 2017 #48
How exactly was that her call?! Miss Donna is merrily burning every bridge, isn't she? Hekate Nov 2017 #49
A lot of smirks from the MSNBC contributors just covering this. R B Garr Nov 2017 #50
The Presidential Draft presents Donna Brazile Awsi Dooger Nov 2017 #51
Hmm ismnotwasm Nov 2017 #52
Oh.My.God. comradebillyboy Nov 2017 #62
Does the DNC chair have this power? David__77 Nov 2017 #53
She says she did ismnotwasm Nov 2017 #54
Like Brazile is qualified to criticize anyone 0ver a 'badly mismanaged campaign" lunamagica Nov 2017 #55
So...Brazile was "rigging" for Biden? If Bernie was the "true" winner, why would she select Biden? anneboleyn Nov 2017 #56
Donna, may I point out that HRC's campaign was so lackluster & sterile that SHE WON Hekate Nov 2017 #57
Whoa, say it ain't so Donna. jalan48 Nov 2017 #60
If possible, then who the FUCK does she think she is??!!?? hatrack Nov 2017 #63
Love the trashcan feature... aka-chmeee Nov 2017 #64
Can you imagine if somebody discussed doing this to Bernie? Or even Biden? StevieM Nov 2017 #66

Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #1)

GusBob

(7,286 posts)
36. As I attempted to indicate earlier
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 02:42 PM
Nov 2017

A very self-serving person

Have to ask: still on the 'condemn the sin, forgive the sinner' kick

I fucking hate her

Bleacher Creature

(11,258 posts)
12. Unfortunately, she's likely earned herself a standing invitation on Fox News.
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 02:22 PM
Nov 2017

And honestly, does anyone think that CNN is going to take a principled stand on this one?

I don't think she's going anywhere.

anneboleyn

(5,611 posts)
61. Maybe, but Fox has been struggling themselves, moving hosts around, changing formats. Only
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 03:20 PM
Nov 2017

Tucker's new show (because he argues alt-right stuff for the Trumpers) has been consistent in the ratings. The Five flamed out at 9pm and had to be moved back to Five pm. Other shows keep changing. Donna is an idiot if she thinks she has a safe space anywhere on Fox.

Ilsa

(61,720 posts)
5. Jesus H. Christ. So Brazile was going to take it upon herself
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 02:15 PM
Nov 2017

to name the D candidate just because HRC had caught the flu? How is that any better than what she has accused HRC of doing?

Brazile needs to go away and take her trashy novel with her.

 

greeny2323

(590 posts)
6. Dear lord this is so overwrought and silly
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 02:16 PM
Nov 2017

Hello America, I'm Donna Brazile and I just swapped out your candidate for Joe Biden! HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!

R B Garr

(17,019 posts)
24. LOL, really! It's completely ludicrous.
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 02:34 PM
Nov 2017

Not even remotely believable. It makes you realize how flawed her reasoning is that she could misremember documents.

ismnotwasm

(42,028 posts)
7. What bothers me is how much of this is untrue, per other accounts
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 02:17 PM
Nov 2017

Donna isn’t sounding well here. And her timing is shit.

greatauntoftriplets

(175,776 posts)
58. I agree that she sounds unwell.
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 03:12 PM
Nov 2017

How could she possibly have got away with replacing the candidate who received the most votes by far in the primaries? That idea is just nuts.

sunonmars

(8,656 posts)
13. This woman will say anything to flog her crappy book. Total Disgrace, DNC must sanction her.
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 02:24 PM
Nov 2017

This is beyond contempt.

ismnotwasm

(42,028 posts)
21. Even her excerpt releases are bungled
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 02:31 PM
Nov 2017

I’m not understanding this, there’s only a few logical conclusions.

anneboleyn

(5,611 posts)
59. She is a repub mole (imho). The book sounds like Alex Jones wrote it -- weird conspiracy
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 03:17 PM
Nov 2017

theories that just happen to echo precisely the theories that Jones and Trump loved -- everything was "rigged," Hillary was hiding some terrible health condition -- which obviously isn't the case AND Donna wouldn't "select" Biden like she's some monarch (the health issue was another huge Alex Jones conspiracy -- funny how her book seems to be feeding those sad little trolls. And according to her wasn't Bernie the "real winner?" Why would she "select" Biden? Is she mentally ill?).

The saddest of all -- republicans are trying to use the word "collusion" now in reference to Hillary. That will work /S

Alice11111

(5,730 posts)
65. She should have been fired by the DNC when CNN fired her.
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 04:31 PM
Nov 2017

SHE was a liability, fired for dishonesty. Now, she is groveling to be hired by Fox. She could be the token Dem, who criticizes Dems.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
18. This whole thing has a "Christina Crawford" or "BD Hyman" smell to it...
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 02:26 PM
Nov 2017

... someone has an axe to grind. This is "revenge-porn" for some perceived slight. She's certainly not helping anything... shit like this weakens the party and empowers the GOP.

rogue emissary

(3,148 posts)
20. So she's trying to piss off Hillary and Bernie people.
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 02:28 PM
Nov 2017

Seriously, She thought it would be a good idea to remove Clinton and put in Biden. Ignoring not only the Hillary voter, but Bernie's voters as well.

I don't doubt that she had the idea, but the notion she wanted to share that with the word is baffling. Not every idea you have is a winner and needs to be shared. Damn, that's what Donny does on twitter day in and day out.

Alice11111

(5,730 posts)
38. She just bombed HER own party. Can't we kick her out?
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 02:47 PM
Nov 2017

She was only the Acting Director anyway. Geez, one more reason we lost is our party leadership was in shambles. I worked in a few Senate races raising money, but I made she the candidates campaigns got it and not the DNC.

Howard Dean

treestar

(82,383 posts)
34. She was the one to choose?
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 02:41 PM
Nov 2017

She acts like it was up to her, not the voters!!!!! Or even the will of the candidates to run!

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
41. It's funny how everyone who worked for Clinton tells a different story about life in Brooklyn
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 02:51 PM
Nov 2017

then the one told by Brazile and the authors of Shattered.

SCantiGOP

(13,878 posts)
42. Serious question:
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 02:51 PM
Nov 2017

How could she remove a candidate? She wouldn’t have that authority. I read the entire article and that is never addressed.

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
67. As the DNC successfully argued in dismissing the Sanders donor lawsuit,
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 04:41 PM
Nov 2017

The DNC rules aren't really "binding" in the sense that they're legally enforceable. When the rules can be changed at any time and for any reason, so can the authority one may have.

 

rusty fender

(3,428 posts)
44. She's definitely auditioning for a job
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 02:53 PM
Nov 2017

at Fox News. Fox actually pays their liberal pundits really well, e.g., Alan Colmes, Ellen Ratner. But along with that job come plastic surgery and a new wardrobe

Mister Ed

(5,951 posts)
47. Such hubris.
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 02:56 PM
Nov 2017

She believed that she, personally, could appoint the Democratic presidential candidate of her choice and override the primary voters and the convention?

I don't understand this at all.

 

fallout87

(819 posts)
48. Why Biden instead of Bernie?
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 02:56 PM
Nov 2017

I wouldnt have agreed with replacing Hillary, but if she did, why a person who received zero votes in the Primary?

 

Awsi Dooger

(14,565 posts)
51. The Presidential Draft presents Donna Brazile
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 02:58 PM
Nov 2017

Approaching the podium like Roger Goodell, Donna has 2 minutes 25 seconds remaining on the clock to announce her selection for replacement Democratic ticket, after Hillary Clinton was removed due to a possible ACL strain, which Donna has diagnosed via distance video.

Our sources indicate Donna has juggled at least a dozen permutations, between several large meals. Ongoing meals, I am told. Stressing the choice is Donna's indecision over team need in relation to best available minority.

ismnotwasm

(42,028 posts)
52. Hmm
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 03:00 PM
Nov 2017
Brazile writes that she was haunted by the still-unsolved murder of DNC data staffer Seth Rich and feared for her own life, shutting the blinds to her office window so snipers could not see her and installing surveillance cameras at her home. She wonders whether Russians had placed a listening device in plants in the DNC executive suite.

anneboleyn

(5,611 posts)
56. So...Brazile was "rigging" for Biden? If Bernie was the "true" winner, why would she select Biden?
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 03:11 PM
Nov 2017

Her comments make absolutely no sense logically, and they are clearly designed to fluff up republican hysteria about Hillary's health (who the fuck cares?!! She isn't the fucking president!!! And how/why could Brazile pick Biden out of thin air? Wouldn't she pick Bernie, the "real winner" according to her earlier bullshit?!

This woman is a total moron, and she is a completely immoral, attention-needing charlatan. Her obvious goal is to sell her sad little "mean girls" style book (the republicans won't want your backstabbing ass either Donna), and she is clearly timing these releases to do maximum damage just as her book is released before an important race for governor. Nobody can argue sanely that this woman is a democrat or a positive force for the democrats in any way. She should be shunned forever. I never did like her all that much as I felt like some of the other posts here -- that she was never a good dem spokesperson, she was always weak and ineffective on panels, and she frequently made comments that undermined candidates going back to her days destroying Gore and his campaign.

Her book is a republican Alex Jones conspiracy theory fever dream -- touching on their beloved themes of "rigging" and Hillary's "health conspiracy" -- it has given the republicans and Trump enough of an emotional boost to trot out yet another investigation of the fucking email. Fuck you Donna.

Hekate

(91,042 posts)
57. Donna, may I point out that HRC's campaign was so lackluster & sterile that SHE WON
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 03:12 PM
Nov 2017

In any sane nation on this planet SHE would be POTUS.

hatrack

(59,606 posts)
63. If possible, then who the FUCK does she think she is??!!??
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 03:40 PM
Nov 2017

Oh, yeah, that's right, the Democratic Party operative who works for candidates who nearly always lose.

Jackson, Mondale, Gephardt, fired by Dukakis, Clinton (Yay! Won one!), Gore.

Oh, and this gem:

Brazile was responsible for a plan to spend money to drive up inner-city turnout in places like Chicago and New Orleans — even though neither Illinois nor Louisiana was remotely competitive — because of fear that Clinton would win the Electoral College vote but lose the popular vote.[21]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donna_Brazile

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
66. Can you imagine if somebody discussed doing this to Bernie? Or even Biden?
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 04:41 PM
Nov 2017

Their supporters would be going ballistic right now.

In any event, the media is using this story as an excuse to repeat the lies about HRC rigging the primary.

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