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DemocratSinceBirth

(99,719 posts)
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 04:12 PM Nov 2017

BTW, Donna B claims plenary power to replace the candidates. She doesn't have that power.

The party doesn’t decide, and then it does
First things first: Clinton and Trump would have to personally choose to relinquish the nomination to lose it.

Nobody can force them to do so — only the nominees can make the decision to give up their position as their party’s presidential candidate, according to Elaine Kamarck, a senior fellow in governance studies at the Brookings Institution. (Of course, a candidate could also die, forcing the parties onto the same track as if he or she had dropped out.)

https://www.vox.com/2016/9/12/12887632/if-presidential-nominee-drops-out

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BTW, Donna B claims plenary power to replace the candidates. She doesn't have that power. (Original Post) DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2017 OP
incompetence is a plus to work at DNC? nt msongs Nov 2017 #1
After the nominee is confirmed, the nominee run the operations at the DNC ehrnst Nov 2017 #18
Actually, she didnt, unless you have a link? joet67 Nov 2017 #2
???? DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2017 #3
?? Link? joet67 Nov 2017 #4
This ? DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2017 #5
There is nothing in the Charter or By-laws that gives the DNC Chair that power onenote Nov 2017 #7
no, the claims of plenary power. joet67 Nov 2017 #6
Joe, I will take the high road, for now, be the better person, and not respond in kind. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2017 #8
I think its supposed to be a word game ismnotwasm Nov 2017 #9
My characterization was correct. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2017 #10
So you made it up? Got it. joet67 Nov 2017 #11
I didn't make up anything, Joe DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2017 #12
You need to keep up with things. ehrnst Nov 2017 #14
I don't like that. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2017 #15
First you call Dem a liar, now hysterical? ehrnst Nov 2017 #19
I wonder if she called Bernie to tell him she was considering putting in Biden ehrnst Nov 2017 #13
Actually, Weaver called to arrange a meeting between Brazile and Sanders lapucelle Nov 2017 #16
Ah. That might be a reason that Sanders didn't correct her ehrnst Nov 2017 #17
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
18. After the nominee is confirmed, the nominee run the operations at the DNC
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 01:55 PM
Nov 2017

for the General election.

The DNC chair takes a much more hands off role after that point.

Brazile came on after HRC was confirmed, and was a temporary fill at that.

Perhaps they assumed that since she ran Gore's campaign she would at least remember how that whole thing worked.

Apparently she didn't. Or she is lying.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,719 posts)
5. This ?
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 05:06 PM
Nov 2017

Former Democratic National Committee head Donna Brazile writes in a new book that she seriously contemplated replacing Hillary Clinton as the party’s 2016 presidential nominee with then-Vice President Biden in the aftermath of Clinton’s fainting spell, in part because Clinton’s campaign was “anemic” and had taken on “the odor of failure.”

In an explosive new memoir, Brazile details widespread dysfunction and dissension throughout the Democratic Party, including secret deliberations over using her powers as interim DNC chair to initiate the process of removing Clinton and running mate Sen. Tim Kaine (Va.) from the ticket after Clinton’s Sept. 11, 2016, collapse in New York City.

Brazile writes that she considered a dozen combinations to replace the nominees and settled on Biden and Sen. Cory Booker (N.J.), the duo she felt most certain would win over enough working-class voters to defeat Republican Donald Trump. But then, she writes, “I thought of Hillary, and all the women in the country who were so proud of and excited about her. I could not do this."


https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/brazile-i-considered-replacing-clinton-with-biden-as-2016-democratic-nominee/2017/11/04/f0b75418-bf4c-11e7-97d9-bdab5a0ab381_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_donna-204pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.2f84f02e0afc

onenote

(42,860 posts)
7. There is nothing in the Charter or By-laws that gives the DNC Chair that power
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 05:27 PM
Nov 2017

Last edited Sat Nov 4, 2017, 07:56 PM - Edit history (1)

In fact, the DNC Charter and By-Laws are essentially silent on the question of vacancies. The issue is addressed in one provision of the parties nominating rules, which reads as follows:

G. Filling a Vacancy on the National Ticket: In the event of death, resignation or disability of a nominee of the Party for President or Vice President after the adjournment of the National Convention, the National Chairperson of the Democratic National Committee shall confer with the Democratic leadership of the United States Congress and the Democratic Governors Association and shall report to the Democratic National Committee, which is authorized to fill the vacancy or vacancies.

There is nothing in the rules that addresses who can decide that a candidate who hasn't died or resigned is "disabled" thus creating a vacancy. In any event, it is up to a lot of people other than Donna Brazile to decide whether a vacancy exists and how to fill it.

ismnotwasm

(42,030 posts)
9. I think its supposed to be a word game
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 05:42 PM
Nov 2017

“In United States constitutional law, plenary power is a power that has been granted to a body, or person, in absolute terms, with no review of, or limitations upon the exercise of that power.”

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,719 posts)
10. My characterization was correct.
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 05:43 PM
Nov 2017

BTW, "hysterical" is sexist language and pejorative. Plenary refers to the power Ms. Brazile arrogated to herself.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,719 posts)
12. I didn't make up anything, Joe
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 09:14 AM
Nov 2017

I didn't make up anything, Joe.


no, the claims of plenary power.

Or were you just being hysterical?

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029796358#post6


-Joe





Joe, what part of Donna Brazile arrogated to herself plenary, i.e. absolute power to replace the Democratic candidates for president and vice president, and what part of hysterical is sexist, misogynistic and deplorable language don't you understand ?

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,719 posts)
15. I don't like that.
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 09:25 AM
Nov 2017

Do you think he should apologize for calling me/strongly suggesting I'm a liar ?

Also, do you think he should apologize to the female members of this board for calling someone hysterical which is a loaded, misogynistic, and sexist word ?

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
19. First you call Dem a liar, now hysterical?
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 01:59 PM
Nov 2017

I recall that you are the one who wasn't clear on the facts surrounding this situation both times.

lapucelle

(18,414 posts)
16. Actually, Weaver called to arrange a meeting between Brazile and Sanders
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 10:19 AM
Nov 2017

during the period when Brazile was considering using her powers to replace the nominee and her running mate. It's in the book.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
17. Ah. That might be a reason that Sanders didn't correct her
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 01:51 PM
Nov 2017

when she called him to tell her of her "discovery" of what turned out to be nothing, and happily accept her "promise" to report back to him with other "nefarious" activities she might uncover.

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