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Cattledog

(5,922 posts)
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 04:37 PM Nov 2017

How a Socialist Beat One of Virginias Most Powerful Republicans.

Within minutes of NBC News’ calling Virginia’s gubernatorial election for Ralph Northam on Tuesday night, Democratic National Committee chairman Tom Perez phoned into MSNBC to celebrate. “I’m feeling incredibly optimistic,” he said when host Chris Hayes asked about Democratic gains in the state’s House of Delegates. “The author of the anti-transgender bathroom bill just got defeated by a woman named Danica Roem—a transgender woman who is a spectacular candidate.”

Perez proceeded to name-check Elizabeth Guzman and Hala Ayala, the first Latinas ever elected to the House, but then Hayes asked him about another candidate—one who’d barely received any national attention throughout the campaign. “There’s also, I believe, a Marine veteran who identifies as a democratic socialist who, if I’m not mistaken, is running competitively with someone in the House GOP leadership,” he said. “The House GOP whip might lose to a socialist Marine veteran? Is that actually happening?”

It was indeed. Democrat Lee Carter, a red-haired, 30-year-old Marine veteran from Manassas, won a remarkable nine-point victory to oust Delegate Jackson Miller, a deep-pocketed Republican incumbent who serves as House Majority Whip. Carter ran openly as a socialist—he and his supporters crooned the union anthem “Solidarity Forever” after their victory—and he won with almost no institutional support from the state Democratic Party.

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How a Socialist Beat One of Virginias Most Powerful Republicans. (Original Post) Cattledog Nov 2017 OP
We DO NOT need to tack right to win!!! Coventina Nov 2017 #1
DURec leftstreet Nov 2017 #2
Recommended. guillaumeb Nov 2017 #3
All goes to prove that you can only win if someone runs bigbrother05 Nov 2017 #4
Exactly. It was so simple. nt Nay Nov 2017 #14
"We're gonna win folks. Long term. If we can do it, you can too. " IronLionZion Nov 2017 #5
Yup, we slam Bernie's suppprters at our peril. We need all of them to win Arazi Nov 2017 #6
And they slam us at their own peril... Blue_Tires Nov 2017 #11
Then fuck them? We don't need them? Sorry, I want to win Arazi Nov 2017 #12
I'm just saying cooperation is a two-way street Blue_Tires Nov 2017 #13
I want to win Arazi Nov 2017 #18
As a Bernie supporter in the primary and Hillary voter in the General DemocraticSocialist8 Nov 2017 #16
I'm in favor of left-center unity. David__77 Nov 2017 #7
I'm probably more left than you are but I totally agree. tecelote Nov 2017 #9
It's a good thing to have outside help for the Democratic Party MagickMuffin Nov 2017 #8
Red-headed leftist marine? I'm in love. PatsFan87 Nov 2017 #10
These two paragraphs say it all for me. denverbill Nov 2017 #15
The Democratic party doesn't want socialists. America does Arazi Nov 2017 #17

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
3. Recommended.
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 04:50 PM
Nov 2017

But we are regularly told that socialism has been consigned to the trash heap of history.

That the US has no taste for socialism.

bigbrother05

(5,995 posts)
4. All goes to prove that you can only win if someone runs
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 04:56 PM
Nov 2017

Years of hand wringing over "electability" seems to be proven wrong. So many instances of conventionally unelectable candidates beating GOP incumbents.

Electable candidates are the ones that are willing to run and have the stamina to stand by their Democratic convictions.

IronLionZion

(45,653 posts)
5. "We're gonna win folks. Long term. If we can do it, you can too. "
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 05:14 PM
Nov 2017

From his 22 year old campaign manager.

From the delegate-elect “Honestly, there are a lot of candidates who are playing it safe, but playing it safe is not the safe bet anymore,”

I'm impressed. I suppose there really is only one way to know for sure if a candidate is electable.

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
6. Yup, we slam Bernie's suppprters at our peril. We need all of them to win
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 05:21 PM
Nov 2017

I'm sick of the purposeful divisiveness. We must unite. These folks are our allies

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
12. Then fuck them? We don't need them? Sorry, I want to win
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 06:49 PM
Nov 2017

I especially want to take the orange shitstain and his band of traitors out of the people's house. Anything or anyone who gets us closer to that goal is my ally.

Continue to shit on any who dare criticize. Politics is the ugly business of sausage making so I'm not bothered one bit by those who use a different recipe than me. As long as we win

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
13. I'm just saying cooperation is a two-way street
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 08:25 PM
Nov 2017

Last edited Wed Nov 8, 2017, 09:16 PM - Edit history (2)

And it is amusing to see the same "leftists" on twitter who were wishing and praying for Dems to get routed become absolutely orgasmic now that one of 'their' people won yesterday (I'm looking in Glenn Fucking Greenwald's direction, among others)... The fact that they'd never heard of him before last night much less did jack shit to help him win notwithstanding... And don't think I've magically forgotten about DFA trying to backstab us in the 11th hour, either.

Oh, and for the record, that whole "Carter won with zero help from the party" bullshit has been debunked... Won't stop the usual suspects from spreading it, though

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
18. I want to win
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 02:15 AM
Nov 2017

I want to get the fucking traitors out. Either figure out a way to get over the shit of 2016 and work together or get out of the way.

Politics is a shitty business. Grow a thick skin and get working

16. As a Bernie supporter in the primary and Hillary voter in the General
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 09:42 PM
Nov 2017

I can tell you that I've seen it from both sides. The gaslighting is going on in both camps, neither really has the moral high ground. I don't think the Democrats would be wise to shun democratic-socialists such as myself. Even though DSA is a separate party, there's still the DEMOCRATIC aspect of democratic socialism. A number of DSA members were Democrats at one point.

A majority of Millennials, many of whom will be 30+ in 2020 are favoring socialism (and it's various flavors) over capitalism. That's because capitalism has failed my generation and too many of us have grown up under the perverted form of capitalism known as crony corporatism. I think this is where you see the generational disconnect between the older generations and the younger generations. Older generations remember a time when it was easier to survive. A lot of people in my generation have struggled their entire lives and capitalism isn't providing any solutions. People are looking for alternatives. You can see it all over social media. If the Dems want to be successful long-term they'll support Democrats who have a Democratic Socialist flavor. It'll do them wonders.

And this isn't "far-left." Understand that this country has gone so far to the extreme Right that Democratic-Socialists in America are global moderates...maybe global Leftists...but definitely not EXTREME left. Democratic Socialists support things like Medicare-For-All which other countries around the world already have. The Overton Window has pushed this country to the brink of right-wing extremism. Our government has become fundamentalist in nature and everybody sees it except the sycophants on the Right.

David__77

(23,634 posts)
7. I'm in favor of left-center unity.
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 05:31 PM
Nov 2017

While I don't advocate that the Democratic Party become a socialist party, I do advocate that the Democratic Party not be anti-socialist and that it be a party of socialists and non-socialists.

tecelote

(5,122 posts)
9. I'm probably more left than you are but I totally agree.
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 06:12 PM
Nov 2017

Most Americans have no idea how socialist we are. They love the benefits but hate the word.

I'm also pro-government. Government is meant to support all it's citizens and instead of budget cuts so the rich can get tax cuts, let's build an America for all Americans.

MagickMuffin

(15,976 posts)
8. It's a good thing to have outside help for the Democratic Party
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 05:57 PM
Nov 2017

These groups will help revitalize and energize candidates and the voters!!!

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denverbill

(11,489 posts)
15. These two paragraphs say it all for me.
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 09:20 PM
Nov 2017

...
Carter came to his political ideology recently—as in, just last year. “I was actually already running by the time I considered socialism as an economic philosophy,” he told me. “My introduction to it actually came through the presidential campaign of Bernie Sanders. He went out there and said, ‘I’m a democratic socialist. Here’s what that means: It means I believe in strong unions, health care for everybody, and an end to discrimination.’ Well, that’s what I believe in, too. I dug a little more into it, and I realized a lot of the problems we have in today’s society reflected in electoral politics are symptoms of economic problems.”

Carter said he’s “always been a bit to the left of where the Democratic Party was, and a little dissatisfied with what they were doing on a large scale, and never knew why. It wasn’t until Bernie Sanders’s presidential campaign that I put two and two together. I looked up to guys like FDR and Democrats of that era who were really rooted in working class politics. They had these mass movements of union workers who stood up and said ‘we’re not going to be mistreated by corporate interests anymore,’ and they were able to achieve 50 year of stability and prosperity for this country. I always wondered why Democrats couldn’t act like that again.”
...

The Democratic party doesn't want socialists. America does.

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