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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsFrom Elizabeth Warren's FB page last night
So lets be really clear: We are not the minority party. We are the opposition party. A party with brains, a party with guts, and a party with heart.
And last night, we proved it.
For 365 days, everyone has had an opinion about what went wrong last year. The pundits. (I always knew ) The partisans. (Of course this loss happened because they ) Lots of political types certain that they could have done it all much, much better.
https://www.facebook.com/ElizabethWarren/posts/10155280105703687
LexVegas
(6,121 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)has said concerning Brazile's book.
It seems a bit like whiplash, in terms of speaking of the election and the Democrats.
LexVegas
(6,121 posts)I have no interest in seeing or hearing anything Sen. Warren has to say.
Madam45for2923
(7,178 posts)and I think this is a nice message from Warren.
Everything helps.
DEMS STRONG & GOING FORWARD!
True Blue American
(17,996 posts)Warren stuck her foot in her mouth on the Brazile book.
Warren is one of the better Democrats, but right now we need moderates. The far right does not impress me.
Collins and Manchin took a big step becoming Honorary Chairmen Of No Labels. We have seen the extremists in action,the back biters and my way or the highway. It is fading fast. We need to be united.
Merlot
(9,696 posts)Right now we need bold leaders who will do what the people want, not what their corporate masters want.
And I'm ok with hearing criticism of our candidates or infrastructure. That's how we improve. The repubs move in lockstep and always defend and protect the worst of their party (ahem, orange one). That's not what dems do.
Candidates come and go, party platform is why I'm a dem.
Haven't we earned the right to be positive about ourselves?
True Blue American
(17,996 posts)She has a great background.
Elizabeth has much in her past to be admired,too. Mitch refused to allow her to run the agency she created so she ran for the Senate.a nice,big thorn in his side.
brer cat
(24,662 posts)She should be mature enough to know that doesn't work.
kcr
(15,329 posts)People make mistakes, and I would imagine she felt pretty foolish when it became apparent Donna Brazille was full of crap.
True Blue American
(17,996 posts)Warren apologize? I would like to see that. Brazile needs to go away.
After I heard Donna blame Obama and Joe yesterday for the collapse of the DNC it proved a lot to me about her character.
kcr
(15,329 posts)But today she's apparently walking it back a bit on the "rigged" statement.
brush
(53,978 posts)Madam45for2923
(7,178 posts)This is our moment in history: Not the moment we wanted, but the moment we are called to. We will not back down. We will not play dead. We will not give up and go home.
The character of our country is not in its President, but in its people. And you are putting up one incredible fight to build a future, not just for some of us, but for all of us.
We will resist. We will persist. And we will win.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)the Democratic party.
Madam45for2923
(7,178 posts)Response to ehrnst (Original post)
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ehrnst
(32,640 posts)I guess you haven't seen Donna Brazile in interviews in the last day. She says she found no evidence of rigging.
And Bernie Sanders avoided answering Anderson Cooper's question to him if he thought there was rigging. If there's anyone who would say that there was rigging against him if he had evidence it was, it would be Sanders.
Perhaps you need to get out more.
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ehrnst
(32,640 posts)You know - the one at the top of the page, which is from Elizabeth Warren's FB, posted last night.
Praise for the Democratic Party and Hillary, yes. Hillary would be the president if this was any other Democracy, yes.
You are the first one to bring up "rigging" in a way that indicated that there was some sort of evidence there was, or that Warren's FB page was somehow indicating that there needed to be "more rigging" in response to Warren's post.
Is that clearer, Winky?
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)mountain grammy
(26,676 posts)From my heart ❤️
kstewart33
(6,551 posts)Fla Dem
(23,887 posts)She's human, occasionally we all say/do things we regret. This statement was a solid mea culpa. Now in the future if it looks like she's going down a different path, my opinion may change.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)But I would like a direct retraction.
Fla Dem
(23,887 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)many from people who were saying the day before that they would support her run for president.
I think that her comments on CNN were a result of remembering that.
rusty fender
(3,428 posts)Hillary earned the general election votes, but not the primary votes
True Blue American
(17,996 posts)Make her much better.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)So, to her trying to climb out of that hole.
BainsBane
(53,137 posts)R B Garr
(17,019 posts)and now we see she is trying to backtrack. She should be commenting on how the Russians hacked and meddled in our elections, not blaming the Democrats for whatever the current bandwagon is. Stick with reality, please, Warren.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)Tavarious Jackson
(1,595 posts)anymore
PatrickforO
(14,605 posts)For goodness sake. She writes a paeon to the resist movement and points out our strengths and we say, 'meh, she's less relevant each day?'
Lucky the voters across the nation weren't thinking like that or the other night might have been quite different.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)making up for her statements on CNN, for a lot of people.
As for those not in Massachusetts, what they think of her isn't really relevant to her re-election, and wouldn't have had much effect on what governor or delegate they were voting for. Not sure what you mean by the effect on Tuesday's elections opinions of her would have had.
Although, many people in VA felt similarly about the VA franchise of Our Revolution, who refused to support Northam.
Many who worked with them were actually sharing FB posts that claimed to plan "not voting for Northam, but for the other Democrats who were on the statewide ballot." Started by Russian trolls? Perhaps. Shared by people working for Our Revolution Virginia? Yes.
PatrickforO
(14,605 posts)Good point. I did not see her statements on CNN, but I have read the excerpts from Brazile's book, of course. I have my own feelings about that and the negative ones involve mostly Wasserman-Schultz, who was just not a good fit for the DNC.
My feeling is there wasn't anything criminal - let's simply fix the situation so it never happens again and move on. Sure Obama made mistakes in paying back the DNC too slowly. But he's making up for it now on the campaign trail.
Clinton saved the DNC, ethics questions aside, and she actually won the popular vote so SHOULD have been elected. Thing is, she'd have been impeached by now.
If you think it through, maybe we needed the shit-head in the White House now to be elected so people would wake up. Because there is one thing that is certain in my mind - as a party we'd become a bit complacent. Now, not so much. This resist movement has been the best thing that could have happened in terms of engaging people who otherwise would have remained apathetic.
We also had some great debate about platform planks.
Now, we are winning elections. That sweep two days ago was quite the thing. Did a lot for my optimism, surely.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)There were Nader voters who said that about electing GWB. And no good came of electing GWB.
Perhaps the wave of women coming forward about abuse is a good outcome of DT's election - especially against a dangerously vengeful man like Weinstein. But I have to wonder if HRC's presidency wouldn't have given women the confidence to do that, rather than the rage that impelled many who are doing it now.
I hope the platform planks remain. They are the most progressive ever. Universal health care, LGBTQ rights - we can't lose any of them.
PatrickforO
(14,605 posts)But yeah, look at all the people coming forward and running. I addressed a group of young Dems running for local office in my state a few months ago at a party class for them. Very cool! We've got a whole young, diverse, smart and activist class of young people coming down the pike. Not worried about bench strength any more, either.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Last edited Thu Nov 9, 2017, 12:25 PM - Edit history (2)
Those who are older and experienced are entering politics for the first time - and that experience and maturity will be an advantage in winning supporters.
For example:
Ayala is a cybersecurity specialist who helped organize the historic Women's March she was a local president for the National Organization for Women and quit her job to run for office in the county where she grew up.
Guzmán, who is Peruvian-American, is a public administrator with a background in social work whose platform includes expanded preschool and family and health services, including mental health, and more accessibilty to these services in local schools.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/first-two-latinas-are-elected-virginia-house-delegates-making-history-n818911
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)lately.
Merlot
(9,696 posts)Saying things are rigged is what she's been saying for years, it's practically her campaign slogan. She says the financial system is rigged against the average citizen, she was behind the consumer protections that have been made into law (and despised and watered down by the repubs).
When Warren says something is rigged, I give it a listen. Pretending there were not issues with the process doesn't help. And a lot of people DO believe it was rigged and there were issues. I'm not basing that on Braziles comments, but on the debate schedule.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)"Rigged" is measurable, proveable. It is not an opinion.
Warren has provided evidence of our financial system being rigged.
She has not for her statements that the DNC was rigged.
This Facebook post appears to backtrack on those statements.
StevieM
(10,500 posts)Last edited Fri Nov 10, 2017, 09:43 AM - Edit history (1)
I am not as high on the idea of her becoming president as I once was.
But her comments today are quite important and we should celebrate them. I especially like that she called out the FBI for their shameful conduct. I just wish she had listed them before Russia--because our own FBI did more damage to our democracy than Vladimir Putin.
True Blue American
(17,996 posts)To find out the facts first.
liquid diamond
(1,917 posts)dreamland
(964 posts)She'd be showing a stronger character if she admitted her mistake. The longer she puts it off, the less we think of her. Only a person of true morals and strong character can admit they made a mistake. Too bad, she had potential.
True Blue American
(17,996 posts)Most of us make a point of apologizing when they are wrong.
I have,many times.
ecstatic
(32,798 posts)I'm done. Where is the candidate who will tell it like it is, fight for what's right, get ALL the facts before bashing another Democrat, and apologize when wrong?