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From https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/nov/07/facebook-revenge-porn-nude-photos :
Facebook is working with an Australian government agency to pilot the technology. Photograph: Anadolu Agency/Getty Images
In Australia pilot effort, company will hash images, converting them into digital fingerprints that prevent any other attempts to upload the same pictures
Olivia Solon
Tuesday 7 November 2017 17.16 EST Last modified on Wednesday 8 November 2017 10.20 EST
Facebook is asking users to send the company their nude photos in an effort to tackle revenge porn, in an attempt to give some control back to victims of this type of abuse.
Individuals who have shared intimate, nude or sexual images with partners and are worried that the partner (or ex-partner) might distribute them without their consent can use Messenger to send the images to be hashed. This means that the company converts the image into a unique digital fingerprint that can be used to identify and block any attempts to re-upload that same image.
Facebook is piloting the technology in Australia in partnership with a government agency headed up by the e-safety commissioner, Julia Inman Grant, who told ABC it would allow victims of image-based abuse to take action before pictures were posted to Facebook, Instagram or Messenger.
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bearsfootball516
(6,378 posts)genxlib
(5,547 posts)Funny how the concept of "good intention to go horribly wrong" came from both of us in simultaneous posts.
We can't be the only ones that think this.
Imagine that someone who is fearful of being violated in this way will be even more skeptical.
Salviati
(6,009 posts)to develop a local tool that would let people hash their own images and then upload the hashes.
This is an idea that went horribly wrong somewhere along the way. This is a terrible idea and unlikely to be utilized by the people that need it the most.
The only way I see this working is to provide an offline program that does the scrambling. So then, all that Facebook gets is the digital code. No way are people going to trust them with the actual picture (nor should they.)
NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)If you are gullible enough to send nude pics, you're probably gullible enough to send copies to FB.
Not Ruth
(3,613 posts)OriginalGeek
(12,132 posts)but it takes someone first reporting the image and then a FB employee reviewing the report to make sure it's not just a bathing suit picture or malicious alert and then it gets taken down.
I assume they are trying to automate it by storing a baziilion gigs of pictures that they convert to an algorithm so when the software detects an image upload it can check the image against their database and reject it automatically if it's one of those nude pics that have been uploaded to them.
BUT I can't see how this is anything other than an Onion joke or some other online hoax. Like stated above - 100% chance of going horribly wrong.
Not Ruth
(3,613 posts)Are there so many users posting legitimate nearly nudes that it is difficult to block? They have skills.
OriginalGeek
(12,132 posts)No - not through software alone
Yes
sure they do but the sheer volume of usage is incredible. Don't they have like 4 billion users?
The bottom line is they do ban nude images but this report is about a specific kind of nudes that they want people to send into them so they can block future use of. Which is a completely ridiculous plan even if it would work in theory.
Oneironaut
(5,547 posts)A human mind easily knows if an image contains nudity. However, an image is just a collection of bits to a computer. Pattern recognition against images is a daunting task that never has 100% accuracy. Determining nudity alone requires a highly complex algorithm that doesnt catch every nude photo because of how different photos can be.
Machine learning is a ridiculously complex subject. Even with Facebooks current abilities, its still relatively easy to post anything on there.
Oneironaut
(5,547 posts)Its too many for a human to analyze. Thats why an algorithm needs to be used.
Madam45for2923
(7,178 posts)sl8
(14,046 posts)unblock
(52,506 posts)marybourg
(12,650 posts)of everyone, so that having your nude photo on line is no longer embarrassing-everyone's is on line. Sorta like everyone in Denmark wearing a gold star of David.
Sailor65x1
(554 posts)It's brilliant. And if there were no humans working at FB, might even work!
CTyankee
(63,926 posts)Laffy Kat
(16,396 posts)SonofDonald
(2,050 posts)Owned by Russians?, send us your nude pics comrades, we'll take good care of them......
moriah
(8,311 posts)... why don't they just take stills from all the amateur porn clips out on the PornWeb and test with them first????
Then take already distributed and reported revenge porn to test against the algorithm?
Sorry, you don't ask for human subjects in research until you're at least at gamma testing.
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,366 posts)They want individual images of potential victims
moriah
(8,311 posts)... if they haven't already trained it to not only recognize actual nudity compared to breastfeeding and accurately assess if the image will be recognized as a nudie to be hashed in that fashion.
There's LOTS of selfie porn out there, too, on Tumblr, to test with, that's essentially public domain from anonymous sources.
This may not be a medical study, but asking for human subjects should have an ethics review on something so intimate as asking people to upload nudes and flag them as such.
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,366 posts)They're asking for you to send in your own photos that you don't want published on the Internet by your crazy ex-boyfriend. Sort of a self inoculation.
Unless I'm mistaken. This isn't a test. They are asking potential victims to self inoculate
ananda
(28,917 posts)We live in an upsidedown world of crazy!
Javaman
(62,540 posts)rogue emissary
(3,148 posts)DarthDem
(5,258 posts)My first reaction.
lame54
(35,359 posts)lame54
(35,359 posts)Anthony Weiner
VermontKevin
(1,473 posts)L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Better build a new server farm first.
jmowreader
(50,601 posts)You KNOW what would happen: The world's largest database of nude photos, filed by user name (and remember children, Facebook does not accept pen names), just sitting there waiting to be hacked into. I can just see the blackmail letters now: "Cool tattoos. Too bad your mom is Jewish and will disown any child of hers that gets one. Send us a bitcoin right now or we'll email all your nude photos to her."
Lee-Lee
(6,324 posts)They just hung a giant HACK ME!!!! Sign.