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sl8

(14,046 posts)
Mon Nov 13, 2017, 12:02 PM Nov 2017

Facebook asks users for nude photos in project to combat revenge porn

From https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/nov/07/facebook-revenge-porn-nude-photos :


Facebook is working with an Australian government agency to pilot the technology. Photograph: Anadolu Agency/Getty Images

Facebook asks users for nude photos in project to combat revenge porn
In Australia pilot effort, company will ‘hash’ images, converting them into digital fingerprints that prevent any other attempts to upload the same pictures

Olivia Solon
Tuesday 7 November 2017 17.16 EST Last modified on Wednesday 8 November 2017 10.20 EST

Facebook is asking users to send the company their nude photos in an effort to tackle revenge porn, in an attempt to give some control back to victims of this type of abuse.

Individuals who have shared intimate, nude or sexual images with partners and are worried that the partner (or ex-partner) might distribute them without their consent can use Messenger to send the images to be “hashed”. This means that the company converts the image into a unique digital fingerprint that can be used to identify and block any attempts to re-upload that same image.

Facebook is piloting the technology in Australia in partnership with a government agency headed up by the e-safety commissioner, Julia Inman Grant, who told ABC it would allow victims of “image-based abuse” to take action before pictures were posted to Facebook, Instagram or Messenger.

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Facebook asks users for nude photos in project to combat revenge porn (Original Post) sl8 Nov 2017 OP
I get what they're trying to do, but there's a 100 percent chance this goes horribly wrong. bearsfootball516 Nov 2017 #1
Funny genxlib Nov 2017 #5
Right, it seems like the slightly less boneheaded version would be... Salviati Nov 2017 #30
Yikes genxlib Nov 2017 #2
Let's give a company that profited from the Russians hacking our election, terabytes of blackmail. NightWatcher Nov 2017 #3
How about Facebook bans the posting of nude images....pretty simple right? Not Ruth Nov 2017 #4
well, i think they basically do OriginalGeek Nov 2017 #11
Do you really think that Facebook cannot detect whether an image is a nude? Not Ruth Nov 2017 #13
In order OriginalGeek Nov 2017 #18
I believe that is the purpose. I dont think Facebook knows if you put up a nude photo or not. Oneironaut Nov 2017 #28
The problem is, there are millions of images added to Facebook every day. Oneironaut Nov 2017 #23
What a great stupid idea! Madam45for2923 Nov 2017 #6
You've got to wonder what inspired this ... sl8 Nov 2017 #7
Fortunately, it's utterly impossible to hack big companies. unblock Nov 2017 #8
My first thought was that they're asking for nude fotos marybourg Nov 2017 #9
From a technological standpoint, Sailor65x1 Nov 2017 #10
what can possibly go wrong? CTyankee Nov 2017 #12
They'll hold on to 'em until you try to close your account. Laffy Kat Nov 2017 #14
Didn't we just find out that f book is partially SonofDonald Nov 2017 #15
If they want to train it to recognize revenge porn... moriah Nov 2017 #16
They want to fingerprint the image so it can't be re uploaded. Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2017 #27
Exactly. They don't need human subjects just yet to test that... moriah Nov 2017 #29
I don't know if we're on the same page here. Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2017 #32
Seriously? ananda Nov 2017 #17
yeah, this will work out well. Javaman Nov 2017 #19
I would have sworn this was an Onion headline. rogue emissary Nov 2017 #20
Me Too! DarthDem Nov 2017 #31
Because Facebook has proven to be sooooo reliable lame54 Nov 2017 #21
So far they've only received pics from... lame54 Nov 2017 #22
Zing! jberryhill Nov 2017 #26
What could go wrong? VermontKevin Nov 2017 #24
How much memory will that take? L. Coyote Nov 2017 #25
Uhh...yeah jmowreader Nov 2017 #33
Yep, thats exactly how this will end Lee-Lee Nov 2017 #34

genxlib

(5,547 posts)
5. Funny
Mon Nov 13, 2017, 12:10 PM
Nov 2017

Funny how the concept of "good intention to go horribly wrong" came from both of us in simultaneous posts.

We can't be the only ones that think this.

Imagine that someone who is fearful of being violated in this way will be even more skeptical.

Salviati

(6,009 posts)
30. Right, it seems like the slightly less boneheaded version would be...
Mon Nov 13, 2017, 03:41 PM
Nov 2017

to develop a local tool that would let people hash their own images and then upload the hashes.

genxlib

(5,547 posts)
2. Yikes
Mon Nov 13, 2017, 12:07 PM
Nov 2017

This is an idea that went horribly wrong somewhere along the way. This is a terrible idea and unlikely to be utilized by the people that need it the most.

The only way I see this working is to provide an offline program that does the scrambling. So then, all that Facebook gets is the digital code. No way are people going to trust them with the actual picture (nor should they.)

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
3. Let's give a company that profited from the Russians hacking our election, terabytes of blackmail.
Mon Nov 13, 2017, 12:09 PM
Nov 2017

If you are gullible enough to send nude pics, you're probably gullible enough to send copies to FB.

OriginalGeek

(12,132 posts)
11. well, i think they basically do
Mon Nov 13, 2017, 12:26 PM
Nov 2017

but it takes someone first reporting the image and then a FB employee reviewing the report to make sure it's not just a bathing suit picture or malicious alert and then it gets taken down.

I assume they are trying to automate it by storing a baziilion gigs of pictures that they convert to an algorithm so when the software detects an image upload it can check the image against their database and reject it automatically if it's one of those nude pics that have been uploaded to them.

BUT I can't see how this is anything other than an Onion joke or some other online hoax. Like stated above - 100% chance of going horribly wrong.

 

Not Ruth

(3,613 posts)
13. Do you really think that Facebook cannot detect whether an image is a nude?
Mon Nov 13, 2017, 12:29 PM
Nov 2017

Are there so many users posting legitimate nearly nudes that it is difficult to block? They have skills.

OriginalGeek

(12,132 posts)
18. In order
Mon Nov 13, 2017, 12:39 PM
Nov 2017

No - not through software alone
Yes
sure they do but the sheer volume of usage is incredible. Don't they have like 4 billion users?

The bottom line is they do ban nude images but this report is about a specific kind of nudes that they want people to send into them so they can block future use of. Which is a completely ridiculous plan even if it would work in theory.

Oneironaut

(5,547 posts)
28. I believe that is the purpose. I dont think Facebook knows if you put up a nude photo or not.
Mon Nov 13, 2017, 02:47 PM
Nov 2017

A human mind easily knows if an image contains nudity. However, an image is just a collection of bits to a computer. Pattern recognition against images is a daunting task that never has 100% accuracy. Determining nudity alone requires a highly complex algorithm that doesn’t catch every nude photo because of how different photos can be.

Machine learning is a ridiculously complex subject. Even with Facebook’s current abilities, it’s still relatively easy to post anything on there.

Oneironaut

(5,547 posts)
23. The problem is, there are millions of images added to Facebook every day.
Mon Nov 13, 2017, 02:37 PM
Nov 2017

It’s too many for a human to analyze. That’s why an algorithm needs to be used.

marybourg

(12,650 posts)
9. My first thought was that they're asking for nude fotos
Mon Nov 13, 2017, 12:15 PM
Nov 2017

of everyone, so that having your nude photo on line is no longer embarrassing-everyone's is on line. Sorta like everyone in Denmark wearing a gold star of David.

 

Sailor65x1

(554 posts)
10. From a technological standpoint,
Mon Nov 13, 2017, 12:20 PM
Nov 2017

It's brilliant. And if there were no humans working at FB, might even work!

SonofDonald

(2,050 posts)
15. Didn't we just find out that f book is partially
Mon Nov 13, 2017, 12:32 PM
Nov 2017

Owned by Russians?, send us your nude pics comrades, we'll take good care of them......

moriah

(8,311 posts)
16. If they want to train it to recognize revenge porn...
Mon Nov 13, 2017, 12:36 PM
Nov 2017

... why don't they just take stills from all the amateur porn clips out on the PornWeb and test with them first????

Then take already distributed and reported revenge porn to test against the algorithm?

Sorry, you don't ask for human subjects in research until you're at least at gamma testing.

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,366 posts)
27. They want to fingerprint the image so it can't be re uploaded.
Mon Nov 13, 2017, 02:45 PM
Nov 2017

They want individual images of potential victims

moriah

(8,311 posts)
29. Exactly. They don't need human subjects just yet to test that...
Mon Nov 13, 2017, 03:02 PM
Nov 2017

... if they haven't already trained it to not only recognize actual nudity compared to breastfeeding and accurately assess if the image will be recognized as a nudie to be hashed in that fashion.

There's LOTS of selfie porn out there, too, on Tumblr, to test with, that's essentially public domain from anonymous sources.

This may not be a medical study, but asking for human subjects should have an ethics review on something so intimate as asking people to upload nudes and flag them as such.

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,366 posts)
32. I don't know if we're on the same page here.
Mon Nov 13, 2017, 05:59 PM
Nov 2017

They're asking for you to send in your own photos that you don't want published on the Internet by your crazy ex-boyfriend. Sort of a self inoculation.

Unless I'm mistaken. This isn't a test. They are asking potential victims to self inoculate

jmowreader

(50,601 posts)
33. Uhh...yeah
Mon Nov 13, 2017, 06:14 PM
Nov 2017

You KNOW what would happen: The world's largest database of nude photos, filed by user name (and remember children, Facebook does not accept pen names), just sitting there waiting to be hacked into. I can just see the blackmail letters now: "Cool tattoos. Too bad your mom is Jewish and will disown any child of hers that gets one. Send us a bitcoin right now or we'll email all your nude photos to her."

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