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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThere seems to be two camps concerning sex offenders
One camp says that sex offenders, like Moore, rarely have just one victim. The other camp says that but also believe that sex offenders never stop. That basically if Moore was a sex offender several decades ago, there'd be more recent victims and not just ones from 40 or so years ago. The latter calls into question the women's charges against Moore. That if the allegations made by the 5 women so far are true, then there must be more recent victims. But if there are no recent victims, then maybe the 5 women's claims are not true.
"Most of all, these molesters do not respect boundaries, become aggressive when challenged, but tend to disappear where boundary violations are not tolerated, as such environments are not safe."
http://carlavandam.com/work/stopping-sex-offenders-in-their-tracks/
"Studies have even shown that sex offenders are less likely to commit additional crimes than other sorts of criminals, partly because the shame of being caught and placed on trial can serve as a deterrent against future offenses."
http://goaskalice.columbia.edu/answered-questions/sex-offender-forever
patricia92243
(12,607 posts)come forward. THe problem is they are probably STILL children at this time. A child or even a young adult would be very hesitant to tell - then or now - from fear or shame or publicity, etc.
PS- I have a sex offender in my family. They do not stop being offenders.
Kaleva
(36,404 posts)patricia92243
(12,607 posts)MO a little as they become older and wiser (more sneaky.)
People that are 30,40 still would be hesitant to put themselves - AND their families through all this mess. It would be nice if some of them would step forward.
The children simply are not going to speak up.
mythology
(9,527 posts)Contrary to popular belief, recidivism rates for sexual offenders is lower than the recidivism rates of non-sexual offenders.
elehhhhna
(32,076 posts)patricia92243
(12,607 posts)Family member was a sexual predator til the day he died at age 75.
People do not change their sexual preference.
Bettie
(16,151 posts)but, he had daughters and a wife who seems willing to look the other way.
Not Ruth
(3,613 posts)There is a serial killer, Rose West, that is dying in prison now. Her husband was the original abuser. He met, married and trained her.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)Or might be forced by circumstance into seething silently in spite of their worst impulses?
Could it be that Moore just discovered a bigger thrill in fucking over an entire country?
Madam45for2923
(7,178 posts)KY_EnviroGuy
(14,501 posts)Calling anyone in the US a "sex offender" is a very serious charge, and we shouldn't be doing trial by blog. As a legal standard, sex offenders have been found guilty in a court of law and are registered in a nation-wide data base and they carry that label for life. You can even look each and every one of them up on-line and find out where they live. They are required to report to the criminal justice system anytime they move.
No excuse for deeds such as Moore has been accused of, and if he had been charged with the original alleged offense and tried and convicted, he would be lucky to have a job of any kind at this time. He sure as hell would never have been a judge.
demmiblue
(36,918 posts)a person who has been convicted of a crime, received treatment during incarceration and is often monitored after release.
Kaleva
(36,404 posts)We believe that Trump and his campaign colluded with the Russians even though there is no federal crime against collusion.
The second link discusses behaviors of sex offenders and since (most) everyone here believes that Moore has committed sexual offenses, he is a sex offender in our opinion, so the article applies to him.
demmiblue
(36,918 posts)Kaleva
(36,404 posts)demmiblue
(36,918 posts)I believe the women 100%.
I don't get what you are trying to do here. You cherry picked a quote from an article, and I set you straight. The article does not apply to Moore.
Kaleva
(36,404 posts)Because it may serve as an answer to those here who ask why, if Moore is a sexual predator and in their opinion, predators never stop, why did he stop? This calls into question the validity of the women who have come forward so far.
I see where one OP edited his or her post to ask if it was fear that caused Moore to change his behavior.
el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)Not to a legal standard, at any rate. The problem with this issue is it seems that the institutions that should be in place to protect against this behavior too often are overly protective of the accused and not concerned enough for the plight of the victims. That's the historical precedent, which is a bad precedent. The solution however is to tighten up the standards, somehow mandating independent investigations, rather than assume that all accusations of this crime are equally valid.
Or that's my opinion; I could be wrong.
Bryant
Kaleva
(36,404 posts)We try and convict or exonerate people based on gut feelings, articles, tweets and texts.
el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)Kaleva
(36,404 posts)el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)that aren't proven. I admit it takes a bit more of a concerted effort; and you do have to expect people to get worked up at times (I certainly have) but as a standard I would generally favor that.
Bryant
Kaleva
(36,404 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Will often leave one feeling blue in the end.
Careful, thats a big pile of straw.
Lee-Lee
(6,324 posts)Lots of sexual assaults are done by people who only do it once in a lapse of judgement.
And there are lots of scumbags who make a pattern of if.
And some people have a pattern and then change. Be it a change in brain chemistry, medications, therapy, or even religion that is the catalyst. Ever known someone whose libido changed due to a change in hormone levels driven by a medical issue? Or who changed lifestyles because they found religion?
In short- there are no rules you can depend on to judge these situations.
And be wary of the often repeated saying where there is one victim there must be more. Thats not only not true, but its an excuse used to delegitimize accusers who are the first to speak up and the attitude that leaves victims questioning if they should speak up because nobody else has said anything so maybe Im wrong or maybe nobody will believe me.
elehhhhna
(32,076 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)At least here on DU.
Kaleva
(36,404 posts)The pattern being that there is usually more then one victim.
I could have made the title of the OP "There seems to be two camps concerning sexual predators".
I have been trying to find out if Roy Moore was always religious or if he became religious later after the incidents the 5 women have described. Roy met his wife at a bible study meeting and that was a few years after the assaults or dating of minors allegedly occurred.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Australia is conveniently close to various child sex tourism destinations.
Kaleva
(36,404 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)It's a lot easier to say "I was chasing cattle in Australia for a year" than "I went to Thailand to party for a year".
Sort of like people who used to go to various Caribbean destinations as a jumping off point for trips to Cuba.
Alternatively, the ranch in Australia may have been some kind of "rehabilitation" from an as-yet undisclosed "personal issue".
moriah
(8,311 posts)That actually,,sadly, will fly with a lot of his electorate.
"GAWD saved this evil sinner and made him SEE the LIGH-UT -- why are you atheists persecuting him like Jesus??"
Ligyron
(7,645 posts)Her mother pressed the issue and he now wears the label of "Sex Offender" for life which I think is a little unfair. When I was 18 I also became romantically involved with a 15 year old so I suppose that technically, I am a sex offender too.
Oddly enough, to this day neither I nor this lady feel like anything criminal occurred.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)He went to shopping malls and came on to kids and tried to get them alone with him, and then he assaulted them. He actually dated kids, from what I've read. A 30-year-old will have an easier time talking kids into being alone with him than a 60-year-old. He might just have stopped having the opportunity.
A sex offender who grabs people and drags them off might not stop because they continue to have opportunity, but a sex offender who works the way Moore does has a different set of circumstances.
Irish_Dem
(48,049 posts)And should in no way impact how the victims are judged.
Kaleva
(36,404 posts)By arguing that sexual predators never stop and asking why there are no recent victims of Moore.
I had posted this OP a couple of hours before a thread I took to be doing such was edited for clarity.
Irish_Dem
(48,049 posts)I thought it was more of a clinical discussion about abuser patterns.
There are a number of reasons why more recent victims are not coming forward that
do not in any way cast doubt upon the prior victims.
lapfog_1
(29,243 posts)Let's put aside the "sex offender" label for a minute. Yes, I know he was trying to have sex with a 14 year old and very likely came close to raping a 16 year old. So yes, he is a sex offender.
But I think he was a particular type of sex offender. I think he was and is attracted to "women" who are significantly younger than he is... for the purpose of control and influence. I don't think that he was attracted to pre-pubescent girls. Note that all of the girls he was trying to date were 14 to 18 years of age. Most (maybe all) were, as Beverly Young stated yesterday, "well developed" for their age. He was looking for a someone that he could date who would be completely dependent to him (not independent at all, not someone with a career or even a college education - or at least a college education that could make them financially independent from him). That means a woman who is not quite a woman yet... someone still in high school, still living at home, possibly without a father figure around ( "I always asked permission from their mothers before dating them" ).
Why did he stop? Because he MARRIED one. Yup, Kayla (his current wife) was a classmate of Beverly Young).
Creepy... YES
Illegal... YES
Stereotypical Child Molester... NO, not quite.
There are not more victims coming forward for the last 30 years because he finally dated one that would, in fact, marry him despite the age difference. Having gotten what he wanted... he simply stopped. And, in his mind, he never did anything wrong! He simply preferred to date "women" that were 15 to 16 years younger than himself, ones that were coming out of high school (or another quick marriage).
And I'm guessing a bit more here, this was all ordained by his bible.
It may be difficult for many to believe, but his behavior was not out of the ordinary for much of human history. If was typical up until maybe 100 to 150 years ago for a man in his late twenties or early thirties to marry a "woman" of 16 to 19 years of age, a "woman" who lived at home with her parents and did not have a career or any intention of having a career. A man of age 30 would be expected to be established in a career ( he signed her yearbook "Roy Moore, D.A." ) and would be ready to "settle down" and start a family... but not with a 30 year old woman or even a 20 year old... but one just ready to leave the nest... and often with the blessing of the entire community, especially her family ( "he will take good care of her!" ). Women were treated like chattel. Property.
Misogynistic... oh my YES.
Of course, attacking a 16 year old in his car was taking the sexual aggressive role waaaaay too far. He knew he was wrong... and he should have been arrested back then and charged with attempted rape.
Kaleva
(36,404 posts)Moore may have targeted women who are more then 10 years younger then him. As he aged, his target group aged too.
Freddie
(9,282 posts)The infamous Green River Killer, Gary Ridgway, stopped killing prostitutes during a long period when he was married. That's why it took decades to catch him, he was a completely average and otherwise law-abiding citizen who blended into the scenery.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)I'm aware of one youth minister from long ago who used to prey on vulnerable teen girls. The extent of what he had done was never entirely clear, but what was clear was that it was enough to send him packing from that church.
That was around 30 years ago. Given the consequences of that episode on his income and family at that time, I would be somewhat surprised if he kept it up.