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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHalf of US adults have high blood pressure in new guidelines
MARILYNN MARCHIONE,Associated Press 17 hours ago
ANAHEIM, Calif. (AP) New guidelines lower the threshold for high blood pressure, adding 30 million Americans to those who have the condition, which now plagues nearly half of U.S. adults.
High pressure, which for decades has been a top reading of at least 140 or a bottom one of 90, drops to 130 over 80 in advice announced Monday by a dozen medical groups.
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/half-us-adults-high-blood-pressure-guidelines-204049684.html
My fellow Duers, I think this is a crock. The medical community keeps moving the goalposts so as to increase the numbers of those who have high blood pressure, prediabetes, etc. Just to put more people on meds and make more money off patients.
Yonnie3
(17,516 posts)drug company funded findings. I suspect he will feel the same about this change.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)and am in wretched physical shape... My high blood pressure is legit, baby!
still_one
(92,509 posts)It is based on evidence.
As for the myth that this is a ploy to enrich drug companies, that is bunk. The most effective BP medicines are generic
Of course people will weigh their own risk and rewards, but the evidence shows reducing hypertension, even slightly, is beneficial.
gee, I guess with some people's logic, if someone gets a bacterial infection, better to not take antibiotics because it will enrich those drug companies, and then let's see what they say if a "simple UTI" goes septic
Work with your physician, not what someone on a message board's personal opinion is, and look at the evidence and make an informed decision
still_one
(92,509 posts)http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa1511939#t=article
This study is not a Conspiracy study between the "evil drug companies", and the public. In fact, most of the effective BP medicines in use today are generic, and very cheap.
Yeah, they do move the goal posts as more knowledge, data and studies become available.
This ISN'T a crock.
There is always a balance, and ideal goals have to be weighed against side-effects.
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defacto7
(13,485 posts)unless a person is into designer meds.
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defacto7
(13,485 posts)on old established generic drugs. BP meds have been on market for a very long time, have a great success record and haven't been improved upon in years. Now if some company came out with some new flash bang drug with lots of kickbacks and a premium price while at the same time buying off cheap generics to discontinue, I'd agree with you. I'd also agree if the price skyrocketed by 10x.
I don't think my $1 a month Benazapril which is cheaper than Tylanol with or without codeine is filling the pockets of big pharm.
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defacto7
(13,485 posts)and doctors, in otherwords, educated professionals, not big pharma. I have a huge problem with big pharma but automatically equating science with big pharma schemes is, well... a method used by the other side.
It's OK to disagree.
BTW... who is we?
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defacto7
(13,485 posts)Not my style though. You just seem to expect an ulterior motive when there's a differing opinion. I personally don't see that as productive.
Learning is a good thing. I can learn from you if it seems reasonable to do so.
As far as "we" is concerned, this is the Internet and there are no "we" here. It's a control device that I'm not too concerned with.
As much as I get the feeling you wish to paint me as a deceiver, that is not the fact but go for it if that meets your criteria for reality.
I really do wish the best for you on your journey. No emoticon necessary.
moriah
(8,311 posts)I personally agree that Big Pharma isn't making much off of ANY generics.
You want to get into what's nuts and was a gigantic giveaway to Big Pharma in the name of the environment, vs the name of stopping the "opioid crisis" (which in many cases translates to "untreated pain and treating chronic pain patients like criminals" already without more paranoid delusions about Purdue making money off of drugs that haven't been on patent for years)?
Stripping use of CFCs from asthma inhalers. They're already proposing removing HFA inhalers, which STILL aren't generic, because of concerns about that propellant.
Do you seriously want to know how much GSK is getting from me just for my Advair Discus (even though the HFA works better my doctor is afraid they'll discontinue it), and how much Boehringer is for my Spriva Respimat (the newest tech to try to make an aerosol that doesn't destroy the ozone layer? How much just plain rescue inhalers, steroid inhalers, various other respiratory inhakers, cost because they aren't generic anymore, which made it cost-effective to even consider making these long-acting versions to replace what had been cheap but 4-6 times a day solutions for patients?
I'll be happy to dig up my Medicare billing records, and gladly show you. For what it's worth, I'm already into catastrophic coverage.
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moriah
(8,311 posts)Seriously, that's what they were dinging you on, the use of "we" in that fashion. The idea that you speak for everyone.
You don't.
Edit to add: If you are a DID patient and I am unintentionally being insensitive, sorry.
Nevernose
(13,081 posts)Isnt particularly addictive and is sold OTC in most countries. They just dont sell more than eight at a time (thats acetaminophen with or without codeine; cuts the suicide rate dramatically).
I realize it seems counterintuitive, but I believe wed actually see a reduction in opioid addiction with more availability of small amounts of mild opiate pain relievers, such as Tylenol 1 or Tylenol 2. Treat pain more effectively but with milder medications.
jmowreader
(50,590 posts)Hypertension meds are really, really cheap and the ones that work have been around forever.
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trotsky
(49,533 posts)With their silly "studies" and "statistics."
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trotsky
(49,533 posts)We liberals should be embracing science. Conservatives have the anti-science market cornered.
the logic of conspiracy is always pretty funny. big pharma manipulating a large legit study to sell more cheap as hell generic BP meds? hell lose 10% of bodyweight and you might not even need those effective, cheap meds at all.
mitch96
(13,944 posts)They move the damn goal post.. The good thing is that most BP meds are generic.. From what I've read though is that the meds aren't as effective with Hi BP that's just over the limit..
DASH diet, excersize, meditation, weight reduction,etc work best at around those numbers..
YMMV.
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defacto7
(13,485 posts)They're too cheep. Benazapril is one of the cheepest meds on the market. As for the other problems you mentioned, those are separate diagnoses.
Bettie
(16,148 posts)of the commonly measured metrics.
People cite studies, but if you dig into them, it is easy to discover that the majority of them are financed by...wait for it...the pharmaceutical and/or diet industries. They are the ones who will profit from this.
I'm guessing that there will be new drugs coming out very soon that will be prescribed rather than generics to ensure continued enormous profits.
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WhiskeyGrinder
(22,517 posts)LostOne4Ever
(9,296 posts)trotsky
(49,533 posts)defacto7
(13,485 posts)Makes me not concentrate on my pork liver sandwich and tater tots.
Kali
(55,032 posts)science is so sneaky! bad science! bad!
dpd3672
(82 posts)I'm confident I can get mine down to zero in the next 50 years or so.
DeminPennswoods
(15,295 posts)My dad had HBP, then he started running and his BP came way down. Years later, he had an operation for an abdominal aortic anuerysm. After the surgery, I spoke with the vascular surgeon and asked if the HBP had contributed to the anuersym. The surgeon chuckled and said, no, Dad had probably had HBP all of his life, from which I inferred the surgeon meant Dad's body had adjusted to his natural HBP. My bottom line is everyone's body is different and sticking to a rigid standard isn't always the right choice.
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DeminPennswoods
(15,295 posts)My dad passed away (91+) 4.5 years ago from natural causes unrelated to the AAA.
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DeminPennswoods
(15,295 posts)I had him for a long time and he went peacefully.
SandyZ
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(35,345 posts)Initech
(100,143 posts)Would their almost cartoonish hatred for liberals qualify as something that would raise blood pressure?
mainer
(12,037 posts)and the other half will live forever.
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