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workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
Tue Nov 14, 2017, 01:20 PM Nov 2017

Alabama pastors turn on Roy Moore after he's caught faking endorsement letter

Alabama pastors turn on Roy Moore after he’s caught faking endorsement letter
Religion is a massively important part of Alabama politics, and of Roy Moore’s campaign for Senate. But some of the pastors he claims endorse him now deny they did.
By Matthew Chapman NOVEMBER 14, 2017

Much attention has been given to the fact that even in the wake of Roy Moore’s pedophilia accusations, the religious right — a dominant political force in Alabama — remains steadfastly loyal to him. And polls have indeed shown that white, conservative evangelical support for him is still disturbingly high.

However, Moore’s support within religious communities is not quite as strong as he has touted. In fact, it turns out that he and his wife may be lying about having the endorsement of several pastors and churches.

On Sunday, Moore’s wife, Kayla, published an endorsement letter from over 50 pastors to her Facebook page, which fiercely defended Moore from the child molestation scandal:

But less than a day after the letter was published, it was revealed that this was simply a copy of a letter posted to Moore’s campaign website during the Senate primary, before he was accused of being a pedophile — with three new sentences deceptively added to make it look like it was about the general election.

https://shareblue.com/alabama-pastors-turn-on-roy-moore-after-hes-caught-faking-endorsement-letter/
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Alabama pastors turn on Roy Moore after he's caught faking endorsement letter (Original Post) workinclasszero Nov 2017 OP
This will be fun to watch Gothmog Nov 2017 #1
Might want to check in with your husband, Kayla gratuitous Nov 2017 #2
I have no doubt Cirque du So-What Nov 2017 #3
Sweet Home Alabama don't need a man like Moore around anyhow onit2day Nov 2017 #50
Lying for the lord is a thing OriginalGeek Nov 2017 #73
I don't do business with them either after not being paid Merlot Nov 2017 #84
"bearing false witness" Bingo! workinclasszero Nov 2017 #17
Please don't...... MyOwnPeace Nov 2017 #43
LOL! workinclasszero Nov 2017 #79
Them's that thump the Bible MurrayDelph Nov 2017 #68
What a FRAUD!! SweetieD Nov 2017 #4
Why is he even running? LisaM Nov 2017 #5
It's simple PJMcK Nov 2017 #9
I've got too much baggage to even run for town butt wiper. Kaleva Nov 2017 #11
Your town has an elected position of "Butt Wiper"? A HERETIC I AM Nov 2017 #35
It's a shitty job. Aristus Nov 2017 #60
What if I'm a shitty guy? A HERETIC I AM Nov 2017 #63
I don't know. Aristus Nov 2017 #64
Poop jokes are beneath the dignity of the office. A HERETIC I AM Nov 2017 #67
So........... MyOwnPeace Nov 2017 #44
You're not qualified because DC has mostly become a place where you fail UPWARDS. Volaris Nov 2017 #37
Egostistical authoritarian manipulator.Me me me, more more more. onit2day Nov 2017 #48
A Most Succinct Analysis Of The Situation ProfessorGAC Nov 2017 #65
Until 1914 state legislators elected U.S. Senators Marthe48 Nov 2017 #53
Actually, I'm beginning to suspect he may be a sociopath Hortensis Nov 2017 #72
That is my question for most people in the repuke party that are running Doreen Nov 2017 #77
Good. Solly Mack Nov 2017 #6
Is it the 10 commandments or a to do list lame54 Nov 2017 #7
thou shallt not lie.... getagrip_already Nov 2017 #32
That's hilarious! yardwork Nov 2017 #78
Not exactly an accurate description Johnny2X2X Nov 2017 #8
wonder if the 2 really were appalled but instead are just covering their holy asses dembotoz Nov 2017 #25
Yep. Moore still enjoys incredible support from his religious base. n/t trotsky Nov 2017 #33
Best to say nothing. joshcryer Nov 2017 #45
That makes allot more sense to me TNLib Nov 2017 #10
That makes his wife a dishonest POS too... mreilly Nov 2017 #12
Even better.... Berlin Expat Nov 2017 #46
The Moores seem to be made for each other. TNNurse Nov 2017 #82
"How do these people live with themselves?" MyOwnPeace Nov 2017 #47
How do they live with themselves? Mariana Nov 2017 #69
Wow.This sounds like a lawsuit and bearing false witness as well:) bronxiteforever Nov 2017 #13
Lol. BootinUp Nov 2017 #14
My list of suspects for faking the letter. NCjack Nov 2017 #15
Yep - lots of suspects FakeNoose Nov 2017 #62
Get that popcorn popping! GoneOffShore Nov 2017 #16
This needs more exposure (unlike Moore) ... K & R nt Persondem Nov 2017 #18
They can control the message so dominantly there LiberalLovinLug Nov 2017 #30
I think I just heard the toaster pop up. paulkienitz Nov 2017 #19
Typical Republican. Color me; not surprised. FSogol Nov 2017 #20
Yep workinclasszero Nov 2017 #23
They will stretch their GOP loyalty up to a certain point. lpbk2713 Nov 2017 #21
Republicans lying? paleotn Nov 2017 #22
K&R ck4829 Nov 2017 #24
What a fine, fine Christian thing to do! Roland99 Nov 2017 #26
Dont worry, pastors who would support him in the first place, their hatred Eliot Rosewater Nov 2017 #27
Thou shalt bear false witness Crunchy Frog Nov 2017 #28
$$$Church Of Rand disciples of Rayguns$$$ workinclasszero Nov 2017 #34
Amen, Brother! COLGATE4 Nov 2017 #41
Time to pass the plate dear brethren.... workinclasszero Nov 2017 #42
I don't think Kayla is too bright. madaboutharry Nov 2017 #29
Obviously --she married Moore. nt tblue37 Nov 2017 #36
So he's a liar, a fraud, and a predator! Just perfect for family values! Initech Nov 2017 #31
Authentic republican family values! workinclasszero Nov 2017 #38
I am so happy to hear that the letter was false. I was horrified thinking of so many pastors endor- Madam45for2923 Nov 2017 #39
whereas endorsing a racist, homophobe, misogynist was just fine Skittles Nov 2017 #51
It is all bad cr*p. Just normalizing raping children is unimaginable. Madam45for2923 Nov 2017 #52
we don't have to imagine it - see the movie SPOTLIGHT Skittles Nov 2017 #55
With the Moores, it's more like the Ten Do As I Say, Not As I Do Commandments 47of74 Nov 2017 #40
OMG. He and his wife are truly soul(less)mates Freethinker65 Nov 2017 #49
That will just endear him to conservative voters. Kablooie Nov 2017 #54
That's one misleading headline. Ms. Toad Nov 2017 #56
The article does mention two pastors who want their names taken off...but that is not the point Fred Sanders Nov 2017 #57
Thanks. I missed those two - Ms. Toad Nov 2017 #59
Give it time. Kind of a lose/lose situation now for the clerics. Fred Sanders Nov 2017 #75
Deceptive headline oberliner Nov 2017 #58
No Commandment to protect the children Marthe48 Nov 2017 #61
Bearing false witness much? muntrv Nov 2017 #66
When the NRSC turns its back on him publicly, THEN it's over DFW Nov 2017 #70
The comments on her Facebook post are terrifying More_Cowbell Nov 2017 #71
And they're all armed to the teeth! wolfie001 Nov 2017 #83
There's a month left to shred this guy before the election.... lindysalsagal Nov 2017 #74
Moore is not what he wants others to believe. The stuff in getting deeper, more lies every day. Thinkingabout Nov 2017 #76
Cheaters gotta cheat. annabanana Nov 2017 #80
I read his wife is from the same class as the child he assaulted? He had her post the faked 'letter' Sunlei Nov 2017 #81

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
2. Might want to check in with your husband, Kayla
Tue Nov 14, 2017, 01:22 PM
Nov 2017

He's real big on the Ten Commandments, and it sounds a lot like you were bearing false witness by re-publishing that letter on your Facebook page. Is that what you and Roy consider to be honoring your faith? If it does, I'd have to say that you and I read the Bible very differently.

Cirque du So-What

(26,028 posts)
3. I have no doubt
Tue Nov 14, 2017, 01:25 PM
Nov 2017

that fundies can twist & contort scripture to allow for lying when they claim it's for a 'righteous' cause.

OriginalGeek

(12,132 posts)
73. Lying for the lord is a thing
Tue Nov 14, 2017, 07:11 PM
Nov 2017
http://www.mormonthink.com/lying.htm

Similar ideas in the fundie baptist church I grew up in. I knew a TON of dishonest deacons and laymen.

I regularly refuse to do business with anyone that uses the fish symbol in their advertising. I assume they are crooks. I'm sure I'm wrong sometimes but I'm not losing sleep over it.

Merlot

(9,696 posts)
84. I don't do business with them either after not being paid
Wed Nov 15, 2017, 12:14 PM
Nov 2017

I've only not been paid twice, once by a religious business and once by a republican.


Evidence presented in this list establishes that when the church or its leaders needed protection, it was, and is, okay to fib, deceive, distort, inflate, minimize, exaggerate, prevaricate or lie. You will read quotations by church leaders who admitted that deception is a useful tool to protect the church and its leaders "when they are in a tight spot," or "to beat the devil at his own game." They admit engaging in moral gymnastics; that God approves of deception ? if it's done to protect the "Lord's Church" or "the brethren."

mormons yes, and catholic as well.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
17. "bearing false witness" Bingo!
Tue Nov 14, 2017, 01:57 PM
Nov 2017

They don't actually follow the ten commandments,they just erect statues about it.

Its a religious dog and pony show for the rubes IMO.

LisaM

(27,850 posts)
5. Why is he even running?
Tue Nov 14, 2017, 01:26 PM
Nov 2017

I don't delude myself that I am qualified to run for high office, so I can't seriously understand why someone with this much baggage, who's been ejected from office twice, and who will do nothing but shame the office even wants to be a Senator. He doesn't even seem to really believe in government, certainly not one that is separate from the church. I don't get it.

PJMcK

(22,072 posts)
9. It's simple
Tue Nov 14, 2017, 01:33 PM
Nov 2017

Two times Moore got kicked off the Bench. The Senate seat opened up when Sessions took the AG position. Importantly, Moore saw Trump-- a fellow moron and abuser of females-- get elected.

Moore probably thought, "Hey, I could do that, too!"

Trump and Moore: idiots.

A HERETIC I AM

(24,382 posts)
35. Your town has an elected position of "Butt Wiper"?
Tue Nov 14, 2017, 02:22 PM
Nov 2017

Huh......so....what's that pay, anyway? Is it a hard contested race?

And what are the schools like, the nightlife?

Ummm....asking for a friend

Aristus

(66,527 posts)
64. I don't know.
Tue Nov 14, 2017, 04:15 PM
Nov 2017

But if you run, just be sure you don't fall behind. Or make an ass or yourself. Or you will be the butt of jokes.

A HERETIC I AM

(24,382 posts)
67. Poop jokes are beneath the dignity of the office.
Tue Nov 14, 2017, 04:33 PM
Nov 2017

And as a prospective candidate, I just won't stand for that shit

MyOwnPeace

(16,955 posts)
44. So...........
Tue Nov 14, 2017, 03:10 PM
Nov 2017

you're saying that you are extremely qualified to serve as a member of IQ45's cabinet?

Stand by - Mueller may be making room for you!

Oh, and that "job" that your town has makes "W's" quote quite significant:

"Heck of a job, Brownie!"

Marthe48

(17,123 posts)
53. Until 1914 state legislators elected U.S. Senators
Tue Nov 14, 2017, 03:31 PM
Nov 2017

The 17th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution changed that state legislative elections to popular elections. The dearth of qualified candidates from some states reminds me of the cronyism the earlier elections invited. Here is a link to the Wikipedia, which seems to cover that part of U.S. history:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seventeenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
72. Actually, I'm beginning to suspect he may be a sociopath
Tue Nov 14, 2017, 06:50 PM
Nov 2017

or psychopath after adding that statement from a former professor about his behavior in a college law class to everything else. They often choose work that allows them to maliciously manipulate people.

Presenting himself as a deeply religious politician offers a two-fer, and the more powerful the more powerful. And it's not at all uncommon for people who present themselves as blatantly devout believers to somehow feel they need not adhere to religious doctrine and routinely violate it. A special category of people, but well recognized.

Johnny2X2X

(19,276 posts)
8. Not exactly an accurate description
Tue Nov 14, 2017, 01:31 PM
Nov 2017

2 of the 53 Pastors have asked their names to be removed, the rest have said nothing.

joshcryer

(62,287 posts)
45. Best to say nothing.
Tue Nov 14, 2017, 03:10 PM
Nov 2017

Can't have your donation plates having less money in them for taking a stance here.

TNLib

(1,819 posts)
10. That makes allot more sense to me
Tue Nov 14, 2017, 01:36 PM
Nov 2017

I had a hard time believing that 50 pastors ran to his defense immediately after the allegations. It seemed pretty reckless.

Not saying they wouldn't support him but usually they tend to get the pulse of their congregations before sticking their necks way out like that.

 

mreilly

(2,120 posts)
12. That makes his wife a dishonest POS too...
Tue Nov 14, 2017, 01:51 PM
Nov 2017

...this was deliberate. And this is the systemic problem I have always had with Republicans. I've been observing their antics for decades now and it's been clear for some time these people will lie, and lie, and lie with neither shame nor hesitation. Whatever helps their side; the ends justifies the means.

Me, I've only pointed to facts I know are real, and if I find out something I thought was true was in fact false I recant it and stop repeating it. Not them. That's the signature hallmark of Republicans:

THEY WILL LIE.

How do these people live with themselves?

Berlin Expat

(951 posts)
46. Even better....
Tue Nov 14, 2017, 03:13 PM
Nov 2017

Kayla Moore tried claiming the restaurant in the yearbook that Moore signed didn't exist. A reporter found out that yes, it did exist.

She lied. Again.

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MyOwnPeace

(16,955 posts)
47. "How do these people live with themselves?"
Tue Nov 14, 2017, 03:15 PM
Nov 2017

You have to have a conscience for any of that to be a problem.........

Mariana

(14,863 posts)
69. How do they live with themselves?
Tue Nov 14, 2017, 06:01 PM
Nov 2017

Jesus forgives them, every time, so why should they feel guilty? In fact, feeling guilt after Jesus has forgiven you is a sin in itself, because guilt implies that Jesus's forgiveness isn't sufficient, which means you think he hung on that cross for nothing.

NCjack

(10,279 posts)
15. My list of suspects for faking the letter.
Tue Nov 14, 2017, 01:55 PM
Nov 2017

1. Roy's wife. (She really wants to get her ass out of Aly-bamy and live in WDC. So many women are pointing at her and saying "Roy raped me when I was 14.&quot
2. Roy's campaign manager. (He really wants Mr. & Mrs. Roy out of Aly-bamy.)
3. Roy (He really needs to get out of Aly-bamy to expand his hunting territory.)
And after those above, all the original pastors that signed the original letter. Including those who now want their names off the fake letter.

FakeNoose

(32,911 posts)
62. Yep - lots of suspects
Tue Nov 14, 2017, 04:11 PM
Nov 2017

I can't believe that THIS is all it takes. Somebody on DU could have done this a week ago and saved ourselves all this time and mental anguish.

Let's remember this for the next pedophile candidate!



LiberalLovinLug

(14,180 posts)
30. They can control the message so dominantly there
Tue Nov 14, 2017, 02:12 PM
Nov 2017

This is from a liberal media site. I'l bet the vast majority are not, and never will be, aware of this story, and if they hear any rumblings they will dismiss it as "fake news" .

Trump deplorables are like they are on a big ratchet wheel. Once it clicks forward, they don't go back.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
23. Yep
Tue Nov 14, 2017, 02:07 PM
Nov 2017

Lyin sack of shit is a requirement to be one.

Its a plus if your spouse bears false witness too.

lpbk2713

(42,774 posts)
21. They will stretch their GOP loyalty up to a certain point.
Tue Nov 14, 2017, 02:05 PM
Nov 2017



But when credibility starts to work against them it's time to bail out.

So now they're saying "You're on your own Brother Roy" .

Eliot Rosewater

(31,137 posts)
27. Dont worry, pastors who would support him in the first place, their hatred
Tue Nov 14, 2017, 02:10 PM
Nov 2017

of women is much stronger than their distaste of him being a rapist and liar.

WAY more hatred of women.

 

Madam45for2923

(7,178 posts)
39. I am so happy to hear that the letter was false. I was horrified thinking of so many pastors endor-
Tue Nov 14, 2017, 02:39 PM
Nov 2017

sing a child molester!

 

47of74

(18,470 posts)
40. With the Moores, it's more like the Ten Do As I Say, Not As I Do Commandments
Tue Nov 14, 2017, 02:49 PM
Nov 2017

Especially when it comes to things like adultery or bearing false witness.

Kablooie

(18,647 posts)
54. That will just endear him to conservative voters.
Tue Nov 14, 2017, 03:31 PM
Nov 2017

It seems the more illegal and disgusting the actions, the more support he gets from the right.

Trump has made being a horrible, dishonest person an extremely desirable quality for politicians today.

Ms. Toad

(34,127 posts)
56. That's one misleading headline.
Tue Nov 14, 2017, 03:32 PM
Nov 2017

All the article says is that he faked the endorsement letter. I can't find a thing about the pastors turning on him because of it.

(I know you just copied the headine - but I was disappointed when I went looking for the response from the pastors.)

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
57. The article does mention two pastors who want their names taken off...but that is not the point
Tue Nov 14, 2017, 03:41 PM
Nov 2017

just yet.

Lying about the endorsements as being after the allegations when they were before is the point.

Bearing false witness yet another of the flexible Christian Commandments it seems, especially when there is an election to be had.

Ms. Toad

(34,127 posts)
59. Thanks. I missed those two -
Tue Nov 14, 2017, 03:45 PM
Nov 2017

I saw the note about listing people who were not even pastors at the identified locations.

I agree the focus of the headline should be on the alteration of the endorsement letter, and misleading release that implied it was written in response to the allegations.

But still, two out of 50 is hardly turning on Moore.

Marthe48

(17,123 posts)
61. No Commandment to protect the children
Tue Nov 14, 2017, 03:57 PM
Nov 2017

When I read that in "Three Farmers on their Way to a Dance", by Richard Powers, years ago, I thought about it ever since. I have faith and I know people that don't believe in God of the Bible, will read this, Don't forget that the Bible is a storehouse of some of the earliest Western literature. It helped me to read the Bible as literature, not as religious information. Anyway, I imagine that God in His wisdom thought his human creation had enough sense to protect the fruit of their loins. But our innate sense of survival doesn't keep them safe from evil-not from bullies with guns, not bullies in the schools, not bullies in the churches.

If all humans can't understand that our survival as a species depends on unequivocally protecting our offspring, we are screwed.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
76. Moore is not what he wants others to believe. The stuff in getting deeper, more lies every day.
Tue Nov 14, 2017, 09:01 PM
Nov 2017

Moore is done, stick a fork in him.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
81. I read his wife is from the same class as the child he assaulted? He had her post the faked 'letter'
Wed Nov 15, 2017, 08:15 AM
Nov 2017

he could be lying to her as well. IMO, his wife and his own 4? kids recently found out Daddys history of mall-banned creep & sexual attacks against children.

I hope they're all ok, IMO the wife & kids are usually the last to know. They could be victims too.

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