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Alabama pastors turn on Roy Moore after hes caught faking endorsement letterReligion is a massively important part of Alabama politics, and of Roy Moores campaign for Senate. But some of the pastors he claims endorse him now deny they did.
By Matthew Chapman NOVEMBER 14, 2017
Much attention has been given to the fact that even in the wake of Roy Moores pedophilia accusations, the religious right a dominant political force in Alabama remains steadfastly loyal to him. And polls have indeed shown that white, conservative evangelical support for him is still disturbingly high.
However, Moores support within religious communities is not quite as strong as he has touted. In fact, it turns out that he and his wife may be lying about having the endorsement of several pastors and churches.
On Sunday, Moores wife, Kayla, published an endorsement letter from over 50 pastors to her Facebook page, which fiercely defended Moore from the child molestation scandal:
But less than a day after the letter was published, it was revealed that this was simply a copy of a letter posted to Moores campaign website during the Senate primary, before he was accused of being a pedophile with three new sentences deceptively added to make it look like it was about the general election.
https://shareblue.com/alabama-pastors-turn-on-roy-moore-after-hes-caught-faking-endorsement-letter/
Gothmog
(145,904 posts)gratuitous
(82,849 posts)He's real big on the Ten Commandments, and it sounds a lot like you were bearing false witness by re-publishing that letter on your Facebook page. Is that what you and Roy consider to be honoring your faith? If it does, I'd have to say that you and I read the Bible very differently.
Cirque du So-What
(26,028 posts)that fundies can twist & contort scripture to allow for lying when they claim it's for a 'righteous' cause.
onit2day
(1,201 posts)OriginalGeek
(12,132 posts)Similar ideas in the fundie baptist church I grew up in. I knew a TON of dishonest deacons and laymen.
I regularly refuse to do business with anyone that uses the fish symbol in their advertising. I assume they are crooks. I'm sure I'm wrong sometimes but I'm not losing sleep over it.
Merlot
(9,696 posts)I've only not been paid twice, once by a religious business and once by a republican.
Evidence presented in this list establishes that when the church or its leaders needed protection, it was, and is, okay to fib, deceive, distort, inflate, minimize, exaggerate, prevaricate or lie. You will read quotations by church leaders who admitted that deception is a useful tool to protect the church and its leaders "when they are in a tight spot," or "to beat the devil at his own game." They admit engaging in moral gymnastics; that God approves of deception ? if it's done to protect the "Lord's Church" or "the brethren."
mormons yes, and catholic as well.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)They don't actually follow the ten commandments,they just erect statues about it.
Its a religious dog and pony show for the rubes IMO.
MyOwnPeace
(16,955 posts)talk about "erecting" anything when talking about "The Judge!"
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)My bad!
MurrayDelph
(5,304 posts)Rarely take the time to read, learn from, or live by it.
SweetieD
(1,660 posts)LisaM
(27,850 posts)I don't delude myself that I am qualified to run for high office, so I can't seriously understand why someone with this much baggage, who's been ejected from office twice, and who will do nothing but shame the office even wants to be a Senator. He doesn't even seem to really believe in government, certainly not one that is separate from the church. I don't get it.
Two times Moore got kicked off the Bench. The Senate seat opened up when Sessions took the AG position. Importantly, Moore saw Trump-- a fellow moron and abuser of females-- get elected.
Moore probably thought, "Hey, I could do that, too!"
Trump and Moore: idiots.
Kaleva
(36,403 posts)A HERETIC I AM
(24,382 posts)Huh......so....what's that pay, anyway? Is it a hard contested race?
And what are the schools like, the nightlife?
Ummm....asking for a friend
Aristus
(66,527 posts)With shitty pay...
A HERETIC I AM
(24,382 posts)What I really want to know is how many run in the primary.
Aristus
(66,527 posts)But if you run, just be sure you don't fall behind. Or make an ass or yourself. Or you will be the butt of jokes.
A HERETIC I AM
(24,382 posts)And as a prospective candidate, I just won't stand for that shit
MyOwnPeace
(16,955 posts)you're saying that you are extremely qualified to serve as a member of IQ45's cabinet?
Stand by - Mueller may be making room for you!
Oh, and that "job" that your town has makes "W's" quote quite significant:
"Heck of a job, Brownie!"
Volaris
(10,278 posts)onit2day
(1,201 posts)ProfessorGAC
(65,403 posts)Well done!
Marthe48
(17,123 posts)The 17th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution changed that state legislative elections to popular elections. The dearth of qualified candidates from some states reminds me of the cronyism the earlier elections invited. Here is a link to the Wikipedia, which seems to cover that part of U.S. history:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seventeenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)or psychopath after adding that statement from a former professor about his behavior in a college law class to everything else. They often choose work that allows them to maliciously manipulate people.
Presenting himself as a deeply religious politician offers a two-fer, and the more powerful the more powerful. And it's not at all uncommon for people who present themselves as blatantly devout believers to somehow feel they need not adhere to religious doctrine and routinely violate it. A special category of people, but well recognized.
Doreen
(11,686 posts)for any office.
Solly Mack
(90,801 posts)lame54
(35,345 posts)getagrip_already
(14,970 posts)and get caught.......
There just wasn't enough room on the tablet for that.
yardwork
(61,791 posts)Johnny2X2X
(19,276 posts)2 of the 53 Pastors have asked their names to be removed, the rest have said nothing.
dembotoz
(16,866 posts)trotsky
(49,533 posts)joshcryer
(62,287 posts)Can't have your donation plates having less money in them for taking a stance here.
TNLib
(1,819 posts)I had a hard time believing that 50 pastors ran to his defense immediately after the allegations. It seemed pretty reckless.
Not saying they wouldn't support him but usually they tend to get the pulse of their congregations before sticking their necks way out like that.
mreilly
(2,120 posts)...this was deliberate. And this is the systemic problem I have always had with Republicans. I've been observing their antics for decades now and it's been clear for some time these people will lie, and lie, and lie with neither shame nor hesitation. Whatever helps their side; the ends justifies the means.
Me, I've only pointed to facts I know are real, and if I find out something I thought was true was in fact false I recant it and stop repeating it. Not them. That's the signature hallmark of Republicans:
THEY WILL LIE.
How do these people live with themselves?
Berlin Expat
(951 posts)Kayla Moore tried claiming the restaurant in the yearbook that Moore signed didn't exist. A reporter found out that yes, it did exist.
She lied. Again.
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TNNurse
(6,931 posts)MyOwnPeace
(16,955 posts)You have to have a conscience for any of that to be a problem.........
Mariana
(14,863 posts)Jesus forgives them, every time, so why should they feel guilty? In fact, feeling guilt after Jesus has forgiven you is a sin in itself, because guilt implies that Jesus's forgiveness isn't sufficient, which means you think he hung on that cross for nothing.
bronxiteforever
(9,287 posts)BootinUp
(47,219 posts)NCjack
(10,279 posts)1. Roy's wife. (She really wants to get her ass out of Aly-bamy and live in WDC. So many women are pointing at her and saying "Roy raped me when I was 14."
2. Roy's campaign manager. (He really wants Mr. & Mrs. Roy out of Aly-bamy.)
3. Roy (He really needs to get out of Aly-bamy to expand his hunting territory.)
And after those above, all the original pastors that signed the original letter. Including those who now want their names off the fake letter.
FakeNoose
(32,911 posts)I can't believe that THIS is all it takes. Somebody on DU could have done this a week ago and saved ourselves all this time and mental anguish.
Let's remember this for the next pedophile candidate!
GoneOffShore
(17,346 posts)Persondem
(1,936 posts)LiberalLovinLug
(14,180 posts)This is from a liberal media site. I'l bet the vast majority are not, and never will be, aware of this story, and if they hear any rumblings they will dismiss it as "fake news" .
Trump deplorables are like they are on a big ratchet wheel. Once it clicks forward, they don't go back.
paulkienitz
(1,296 posts)He's done.
FSogol
(45,586 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Lyin sack of shit is a requirement to be one.
Its a plus if your spouse bears false witness too.
lpbk2713
(42,774 posts)But when credibility starts to work against them it's time to bail out.
So now they're saying "You're on your own Brother Roy" .
paleotn
(18,014 posts)I'm shocked, I tell you, shocked!
ck4829
(35,096 posts)Roland99
(53,342 posts)Eliot Rosewater
(31,137 posts)of women is much stronger than their distaste of him being a rapist and liar.
WAY more hatred of women.
Crunchy Frog
(26,719 posts)as long as it's politically expedient.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Can I get an Amen?
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)"Jesus" needs a new Lear jet brothers and sisters!
madaboutharry
(40,246 posts)tblue37
(65,547 posts)Initech
(100,145 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)So refreshing!
Madam45for2923
(7,178 posts)sing a child molester!
Skittles
(153,310 posts)Madam45for2923
(7,178 posts)Skittles
(153,310 posts)47of74
(18,470 posts)Especially when it comes to things like adultery or bearing false witness.
Freethinker65
(10,109 posts)Kablooie
(18,647 posts)It seems the more illegal and disgusting the actions, the more support he gets from the right.
Trump has made being a horrible, dishonest person an extremely desirable quality for politicians today.
Ms. Toad
(34,127 posts)All the article says is that he faked the endorsement letter. I can't find a thing about the pastors turning on him because of it.
(I know you just copied the headine - but I was disappointed when I went looking for the response from the pastors.)
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)just yet.
Lying about the endorsements as being after the allegations when they were before is the point.
Bearing false witness yet another of the flexible Christian Commandments it seems, especially when there is an election to be had.
Ms. Toad
(34,127 posts)I saw the note about listing people who were not even pastors at the identified locations.
I agree the focus of the headline should be on the alteration of the endorsement letter, and misleading release that implied it was written in response to the allegations.
But still, two out of 50 is hardly turning on Moore.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)And that's being charitable.
Marthe48
(17,123 posts)When I read that in "Three Farmers on their Way to a Dance", by Richard Powers, years ago, I thought about it ever since. I have faith and I know people that don't believe in God of the Bible, will read this, Don't forget that the Bible is a storehouse of some of the earliest Western literature. It helped me to read the Bible as literature, not as religious information. Anyway, I imagine that God in His wisdom thought his human creation had enough sense to protect the fruit of their loins. But our innate sense of survival doesn't keep them safe from evil-not from bullies with guns, not bullies in the schools, not bullies in the churches.
If all humans can't understand that our survival as a species depends on unequivocally protecting our offspring, we are screwed.
muntrv
(14,505 posts)DFW
(54,506 posts)Not before
More_Cowbell
(2,192 posts)There are a lot of stupid people out there, and they all vote.
https://www.facebook.com/kaylamoor/posts/1917464514936191
wolfie001
(2,312 posts)Scary bunch of red-necked idiots!
lindysalsagal
(20,793 posts)I hope they tear his little evil wings off.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Moore is done, stick a fork in him.
annabanana
(52,791 posts)He may have finally managed to shoot himself in the foot this time.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)he could be lying to her as well. IMO, his wife and his own 4? kids recently found out Daddys history of mall-banned creep & sexual attacks against children.
I hope they're all ok, IMO the wife & kids are usually the last to know. They could be victims too.