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DemocratSinceBirth

(99,719 posts)
Tue Nov 14, 2017, 02:47 PM Nov 2017

****NEW POLL**** Trump approval drops to 35%. No Asian trip bump !!!

"President Donald Trump returns from his big Asia trip to find numbers frozen in the negative. Ominously, there is creeping slippage in the base



American voters disapprove 58 - 35 percent of the job President Donald Trump is doing, near his lowest score, a 61 - 33 percent disapproval August 2, according to a Quinnipiac University national poll released today.

Today's approval rating compares to a 56 - 38 percent disapproval in an October 11 survey by the independent Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pe-ack) University.

Independent voters, a key voting bloc, disapprove of President Trump 63 - 31 percent. Democrats disapprove 91 - 5 percent. Republicans approve 80 - 11 percent.

In a new low for this measure, only 40 percent of American voters say Trump is fit to serve as president, while 57 percent say he is not fit.

American voters disapprove 79 - 15 percent, including 60 - 32 percent among Republicans, of the way Republicans in Congress are doing their job. Disapproval is overwhelming among every party, gender, education, age and racial group listed.


https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=2500
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****NEW POLL**** Trump approval drops to 35%. No Asian trip bump !!! (Original Post) DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2017 OP
what poll is this? hlthe2b Nov 2017 #1
Quinnipiac n/t sharp_stick Nov 2017 #4
Good! Is that Gallop? nt. PearliePoo2 Nov 2017 #2
He's at 38/57 in Gallup. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2017 #3
Thanks! PearliePoo2 Nov 2017 #7
The OP says Quinnipiac unc70 Nov 2017 #5
If he couldn't get a bump from his trip what could he get a bump from ? DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2017 #6
Trump Bump YessirAtsaFact Nov 2017 #13
I see that now! Thanks! PearliePoo2 Nov 2017 #8
these polls confuse me.. wasnt he at 33% last week? samnsara Nov 2017 #9
Different polls. Different results. There are margins of error. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2017 #11
People get too hung up on exact numbers. Dave Starsky Nov 2017 #21
Gallup calls landlines and cell phones. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2017 #22
I still think they rely upon landlines. Dave Starsky Nov 2017 #23
Gallup DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2017 #24
So where does their cellphone sample draw from? Dave Starsky Nov 2017 #25
That wouldn't work because the sample would be self selected. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2017 #28
Well, then, I'm starting to think that polls... Dave Starsky Nov 2017 #30
Less than one in ten Americans respond to pollsters. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2017 #33
Let's hope so, comrade. Dave Starsky Nov 2017 #36
FYI - 500 is not a large sample size, but I think you have copied it from their website ... Persondem Nov 2017 #32
500 a night for a rolling three day sample of 1,500 DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2017 #34
That sounds much better. Thank you! Persondem Nov 2017 #35
Did Trump endorse Moore? Not Ruth Nov 2017 #10
Yup leftynyc Nov 2017 #12
Who endorsed whom? ollie10 Nov 2017 #15
This is the polling group that were right on the nose on the margins in Virginia. RDANGELO Nov 2017 #14
This is the polling group that were right on the nose on the margins in Virginia (and) New Jersey. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2017 #16
Big if true. joshcryer Nov 2017 #18
But, but Rasmussen(R) is the ONLY poll that counts, all others are "fake". That the Fred Sanders Nov 2017 #17
And "It" Misquoted Those Results ProfessorGAC Nov 2017 #19
Yep, he shows his face and people don't like it uponit7771 Nov 2017 #20
I don't care what his poll numbers are SonofDonald Nov 2017 #26
57% say he's not fit. That's damning. underpants Nov 2017 #27
He was bragging this morrning about a 48% poll and he said doc03 Nov 2017 #29
What astounds me is that the polls haven't moved significantly after the indictments. Yonnie3 Nov 2017 #31
His numbers are lower than any President at this time in their term, per 538. wildeyed Nov 2017 #37

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,719 posts)
6. If he couldn't get a bump from his trip what could he get a bump from ?
Tue Nov 14, 2017, 02:54 PM
Nov 2017

Starting a war on the Korean Peninsula that leads to a collapse of the world economy ?

Dave Starsky

(5,914 posts)
21. People get too hung up on exact numbers.
Tue Nov 14, 2017, 04:18 PM
Nov 2017

Trump's approval is inevitably going to vary from poll to poll. Think of Trump's real approval as a "cloud" of different poll numbers that float around the real number of people who love Trump. The center of that cloud represents the real number, which is about one out of three people that they poll: 33%.

What I don't think people take into consideration are the METHODS of polling. My understanding is that Gallup still calls people with landlines. I haven't had a landline in years. My very elderly family still uses them, though. I screen any calls that come to me unsolicited. I would hope that we all do that. I don't respond to calls from pollsters, because I didn't even know that they are calling.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,719 posts)
22. Gallup calls landlines and cell phones.
Tue Nov 14, 2017, 05:35 PM
Nov 2017

I suspect they have the most sophisticated polling apparatus given their vast size and resources.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,719 posts)
24. Gallup
Tue Nov 14, 2017, 06:24 PM
Nov 2017

Gallup Daily tracking is divided into two surveys: Gallup U.S. Daily and the Gallup-Sharecare Well-Being Index. Gallup interviews approximately 500 U.S. adults for each survey, 350 days per year with minimum quotas of 30% landlines and 70% cellphones. These large samples allow Gallup to examine extensive demographic breaks and unique cross-tabulations of the daily measures. The samples also allow Gallup to report results at state and community levels.

http://www.gallup.com/178685/methodology-center.aspx

Dave Starsky

(5,914 posts)
25. So where does their cellphone sample draw from?
Tue Nov 14, 2017, 06:31 PM
Nov 2017

This is very interesting to me. Do they only poll people who have given them their cell phone information?

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,719 posts)
28. That wouldn't work because the sample would be self selected.
Tue Nov 14, 2017, 06:38 PM
Nov 2017

That would defeat the purpose of a random sample:

How do you get cellphone numbers to call? I thought these were unlisted.

It’s true that cellphone numbers are not listed in a directory such as the white pages. To overcome that, companies that sell telephone survey samples have to create a list of all possible cellphone numbers in the United States.

They start with the fact that certain area codes and exchanges are dedicated only to cellphones. For area code and exchange combinations that include both landlines and cellphones, additional work is done to identify the specific blocks of numbers assigned to cellphones. Once the relevant area codes and exchanges (and, if necessary, specific blocks) are identified, the sample vendors append all possible last four digits to each. For instance, if they know the 202 area code and 555 exchange within that area code are only used for cellphones, then they can add every number from 202-555-0000 to 202-555-9999 to their list. They then repeat that with every area code and exchange combination known to be used only for cellphones to create a (very long) list of all possible cellphone numbers in the United States. From that list, telephone sample vendors draw a random sample of phone numbers to be used for a particular poll.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/01/05/pew-research-center-will-call-75-cellphones-for-surveys-in-2016/


I suspect Gallup's methodology is similar.

Dave Starsky

(5,914 posts)
30. Well, then, I'm starting to think that polls...
Tue Nov 14, 2017, 06:47 PM
Nov 2017

Do not reflect the Americans that do not want to be bothered by polling. We may hate greed, pedophilia, racism, and everything else that the Republican party represents, but maybe we don't or can't respond to polls.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,719 posts)
33. Less than one in ten Americans respond to pollsters.
Tue Nov 14, 2017, 06:51 PM
Nov 2017

Pollsters are aware of selection bias and try to account for it.

Persondem

(1,936 posts)
32. FYI - 500 is not a large sample size, but I think you have copied it from their website ...
Tue Nov 14, 2017, 06:51 PM
Nov 2017

... so it's not on you.

500 is on the low end for a poll.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,719 posts)
34. 500 a night for a rolling three day sample of 1,500
Tue Nov 14, 2017, 06:52 PM
Nov 2017

Each result is based on a three-day rolling average.

Gallup tracks daily the percentage of Americans who approve or disapprove of the job Donald Trump is doing as president. Daily results are based on telephone interviews with approximately 1,500 national adults; Margin of error is ±3 percentage points.

http://news.gallup.com/poll/201617/gallup-daily-trump-job-approval.aspx

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
12. Yup
Tue Nov 14, 2017, 03:01 PM
Nov 2017

President Trump enthusiastically endorsed Roy Moore this morning, describing him as a “great guy” who will help to realize Trump’s goal of making America great:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2017/09/27/trump-just-endorsed-a-lawless-bigot-in-alabama-heres-how-democrats-will-run-against-him/?utm_term=.d964c9f2f174


Although I do suspect he'll throw him under the bus once he returns to the states.

RDANGELO

(3,435 posts)
14. This is the polling group that were right on the nose on the margins in Virginia.
Tue Nov 14, 2017, 03:26 PM
Nov 2017

They have the Democrats with a 13 pt lead for taking leadership of the house.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,719 posts)
16. This is the polling group that were right on the nose on the margins in Virginia (and) New Jersey.
Tue Nov 14, 2017, 03:29 PM
Nov 2017

FIXED

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
17. But, but Rasmussen(R) is the ONLY poll that counts, all others are "fake". That the
Tue Nov 14, 2017, 03:30 PM
Nov 2017

Deplorables believe that is all you need to know about their level of awareness.

ProfessorGAC

(65,401 posts)
19. And "It" Misquoted Those Results
Tue Nov 14, 2017, 03:55 PM
Nov 2017

So, they can't even use suspiciously high results to their own advantage with a modicum of accuracy.

doc03

(35,446 posts)
29. He was bragging this morrning about a 48% poll and he said
Tue Nov 14, 2017, 06:46 PM
Nov 2017

some say it is more like in the 50s. I guess he lied.

Yonnie3

(17,516 posts)
31. What astounds me is that the polls haven't moved significantly after the indictments.
Tue Nov 14, 2017, 06:48 PM
Nov 2017

.. and then I think of that third of the country that either doesn't read or watch news or that gets it from Faux Snooze et. al. and I understand.

wildeyed

(11,243 posts)
37. His numbers are lower than any President at this time in their term, per 538.
Tue Nov 14, 2017, 08:29 PM
Nov 2017

The percentage of unpopularity changes, depending on whether you look at likely/register voters vs. all adults because racist white people suck at life but are good at showing up on election day. Sigh.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/voters/

His numbers are also much lower than the economy would suggest.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/trump-is-far-less-popular-than-the-economy-suggests-he-should-be/

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