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socialist_n_TN

(11,481 posts)
Wed Nov 15, 2017, 10:22 AM Nov 2017

Regarding Judge Roy.........

There is a TON of societal issues at work here that are uniquely southern and uniquely small town. I'll lay out a few since I've been southern all my life, was born in a small town, and actually have been to Gadsden, AL and had a brief and impersonal, personal experience with Judge Roy himself.

Small towns are where everybody knows everybody else and knows their business, but keeps their mouths shut about it IN PUBLIC! They'll talk all day about it one-on-one in private to each other, but NOT publically. And that's especially true if the person being talked about is a powerful local official with intimate ties to local law enforcement. Or if the local subject of the talk is wealthy, whether he's (it's almost ALWAYS a he) a public official or not. Or both. The wealthy in small southern towns are almost worshiped, even if the wealth is inherited. You can be crazy as a bedbug and as long as you've got old money, you can, literally at times, get away with murder. Sometimes this reticence to talk in public is based on "politeness" and sometimes it's based on fear of retribution.

In small, southern towns, the poor are cowed by wealth through propaganda (if you're so smart, why ain't you rich?) and outright terror. Quite like the social dynamic between the serfs and the liege under feudalism. The middle economic classes are cowed less by fear of bodily harm (although the subtext of that is there), but by the opportunism of gaining materially from the wealthy (feudal largesse?), so not wanting to take any chance at pissing them off. And then the upper social ranks are usually DIRECTLY dependent, more or less, on that wealth for a comfortable lifestyle. Hence NOBODY will rock the boat. IN PUBLIC!

That's just a few of the social dynamics of this case and why it has just now come out, although it's been happening for decades. Roy Moore could (and it wouldn't surprise me if he actually did at some point) get away with literal murder up on Sand Mountain in Etowah County. So in comparison to that, what's feeling up a 14 year old girl?

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hlthe2b

(102,550 posts)
1. Some of that is Small Town specific and not only in the South...
Wed Nov 15, 2017, 10:29 AM
Nov 2017

My closest cousins grew up in my grandparent's small farming town of a few hundred. And yes, what you say about them knowing ALL but not sharing beyond the community is true. However, they may talk (gossip) to family that have since moved away or only visited regularly. That was the case with my family with those who continued to live there.

Visits there were always an amazing experience because we would hear the MOST Amazing stories and family skeletons revealed for nearly everyone--just as we walked around the small town. In a course of a few days, I'm sure we would have heard the equivalent of a Roy Moore story, had one occurred. As kids from a much bigger city, this left us slack-jawed as we knew virtually nothing about our neighbors and friends by comparison.

Bottom line, there are those who can and should speak to this... Those who moved away, most likely. Some of the KKK murders of black men have been finally solved this way in recent years.

socialist_n_TN

(11,481 posts)
3. Yep. That's because the ones who have moved away.......
Wed Nov 15, 2017, 10:38 AM
Nov 2017

are still considered "part of the family". Or community. The unfortunate thing in this case is that it's almost ALL "hearsay", so even if somebody WANTED to come out with corroboration, it probably wouldn't be enough for a legal prosecution.

ESPECIALLY considering that ole Roy was a judge in the area. Everybody in the legal field on the state's side is going to cover for each other as long as possible.

hlthe2b

(102,550 posts)
5. I'm hoping one of those police officers who "dealt" with him at the Mall
Wed Nov 15, 2017, 10:41 AM
Nov 2017

might still be alive and willing to speak out.

socialist_n_TN

(11,481 posts)
7. For that to happen, the heat has to get REALLY warm........
Wed Nov 15, 2017, 10:48 AM
Nov 2017

The wealthy and powerful in small towns CAN be brought down, but it take INTENSE outside scrutiny for that to happen. Obviously, more than this particular case has gotten.

From my experience, the initial tendency is to hunker down in support and hope it all blows over. And the cops you're talking about are probably still living in the area. I'm sure they don't want to wind up in a shallow grave on Sand Mountain.

socialist_n_TN

(11,481 posts)
6. And in regards to your subject line........
Wed Nov 15, 2017, 10:45 AM
Nov 2017

It's very true. The knowing each others' business is unique to small towns anywhere. The part about wealth worship I think is mostly unique to SOUTHERN small towns.

That part of my OP about Sand Mountain in Etowah County, Alabama is something that I heard about and I never even actually LIVED there. I just had an ex that was from there. That's apparently the area that "troublemakers" are taken to and murdered.

socialist_n_TN

(11,481 posts)
4. Very similar IMO, although............
Wed Nov 15, 2017, 10:41 AM
Nov 2017

the difference would be that Trump was thinking he could "buy" his way out of prosecution (very likely true), whereas Judge Roy PROBABLY wouldn't even have to face prosecution being a judge and all. The legal side of the state takes care of their own.

njhoneybadger

(3,910 posts)
9. A West Point graduate and Assistant District Attorney taking advantage of female teenagers
Wed Nov 15, 2017, 11:03 AM
Nov 2017

How can people with daughters consider voting for this POS

socialist_n_TN

(11,481 posts)
10. Well first........
Wed Nov 15, 2017, 11:09 AM
Nov 2017

they're not going to believe it. Or at least, they're not going to SAY they believe it. They're going to look at it like it's an attack on their religion by atheistic liberals.

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