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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSo, today, I assumed that some UCLA basketball players
actually DID shoplift some expensive junk from a tourist store next to their hotel in China. For that, I was rightly taken to task. As it turns out, they have admitted that they did, indeed, do that, but I had no evidence that they did when I posted. I did have statements that there was store surveillance video of it, but I had not seen that video.
So, by extension, should I now stop going after Judge Roy Moore for sexually abusing a 14-year-old girl and others, since I was not there to witness the acts? Perhaps so. Perhaps I should wait until there is video of him doing it. What do you think? Should we assume that he's innocent, since there is no physical evidence? Are we stereotyping him just because he is a right-wing, fundamentalist Christian man from Alabama?
ExciteBike66
(2,408 posts)your post count is too low so I don't care what you think! Come back when you hit a cool mil!
MineralMan
(146,351 posts)Perhaps you have a point, there...
ExciteBike66
(2,408 posts)My arguments won't have the force of yours for another...oh...600 years or so at the rate I post...
perfect!
ProfessorGAC
(65,403 posts)The "outrage" and conspiracy theories on that other thread were pretty disappointing. I think a few of those posters didn't think their position all the way through.
unblock
(52,496 posts)bad on both of us, i guess.
anyway, as for moore, there is one standard for criminal conviction and another standard for election to the senate.
for criminal conviction, he should be entitled to reasonable doubt and to present his own defense.
for election to the senate, it's perfectly fine to ask, "can't we find someone who wasn't banned from a mall for trolling for underage kids?"
of course, there's another standard for republicans, which is, "hell yeah, any man who subjugates children and girls for their own pleasure can represent me fine any day!"
LisaL
(44,985 posts)unblock
(52,496 posts)grantcart
(53,061 posts)on American tourists. That would be especially true for guests that were part of an official tour.
China isn't inclined to such petty acts to begin with but beyond that they know that it would cost them a great deal of negative back lash for very little benefit.
The assumption that pampered college athletes feel that they are beyond the law would be the logical assumption in a system that regularly allows them to flaunt their status and get away with under aged drinking, sexual assaults and bar room fights. You were wrongly taken to task.
MineralMan
(146,351 posts)of innocence from the young men, I assumed something that might have been incorrect. Perhaps I should not have done that. It's sort of a natural thing for people around here to do when it looks very much like a story is factual.
It looks pretty clear that Roy Moore is an old pervert, as well, who prefers young women who don't realize they can say no to powerful people. But, I have no actual hard evidence that he did any of those things. Still, I will continue to assume that he did, given the available information.
We do that, as people. Sometimes we're wrong, of course, but not usually.
grantcart
(53,061 posts)against visitors it had invited to participate in a friendly game is the real racist current, an not an uncommon one.
There was no reason to doubt the Chinese and there are almost daily stories of the ultra pampered varsity athlete breaking laws and getting away with it, and if you don't believe that just wait to see that the NCAA fails to adjudicate any punishment on these selfish creeps. If it were me I would have them benched for a year.
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)The 5 women say an older man behaved inappropriately around them, including attempted rape and sexual assault.
You believed the kids were guilty, you believe them now when they say they are, and you believe the ladies are telling the truth.
It would be very hard for us to live our lives without some absence of incontrovertible evidence, wouldn't it?
Sometimes just "the words" are enough.
MineralMan
(146,351 posts)We've all heard truth and we've all heard lies. While we don't always get it right, we mostly do. That is, we do unless fixed beliefs get in the way of our abilities to descern the difference.
LisaL
(44,985 posts)Mid thirties?
They are not kids, they are adult males. Jeez.
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)Teenagers.
Maybe they just look like grown men?