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He thought he saw a deer and fired his pistol. Now, his neighbor is dead. (Original Post) yortsed snacilbuper Nov 2017 OP
I don't believe a word of it, a curly haired deer with 2 dogs... sunonmars Nov 2017 #1
If she was wearing white gloves.... Denis 11 Nov 2017 #6
I remember this same thing happened years ago phylny Nov 2017 #13
The guy needs to go to jail...careless...if you run someone over with your car, you face charges ... Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #14
wait... a pistol? eShirl Nov 2017 #2
The article said the shooter used a pistol on a target 200 yards away DFW Nov 2017 #3
shooter is the dumbass he looks like. pansypoo53219 Nov 2017 #4
That is fucked up. C Moon Nov 2017 #5
After sunset---which is illegal --- pistol----200 yards--- he thought it was a deer Angry Dragon Nov 2017 #7
committing murder. TeamPooka Nov 2017 #8
It's a very rural neighborhood. Throck Nov 2017 #12
According to this article, he was in his back yard Kaleva Nov 2017 #18
He was in his back yard. She was not in his back yard, according to her husband. LisaL Nov 2017 #21
A former coworker of mine lost his wife Skidmore Nov 2017 #9
If I remember correctly avebury Nov 2017 #22
So if I run a red light Cattledog Nov 2017 #10
Hunters should be required to take an eye test in order to obtain a hunting license. democratisphere Nov 2017 #11
it happens... handmade34 Nov 2017 #15
There was a report on our news last week that a woman riding her bicycle on a trail Vinca Nov 2017 #16
Poachers are scum Lee-Lee Nov 2017 #17
The woman might have been on the hunter's property. Kaleva Nov 2017 #19
No, she wasn't. LisaL Nov 2017 #20
A matter that should be clarified. Kaleva Nov 2017 #23
Seems clear enough to me. LisaL Nov 2017 #24
The shooter lived a mile away from where the lady was shot Kaleva Nov 2017 #29
Whatever the exact distances are, seems pretty clear she was not on his property when LisaL Nov 2017 #30
No he wasn't. Kaleva Nov 2017 #31
I am talking about her. Seems clear she was not on his property. LisaL Nov 2017 #32
Edit: Reports of him living in Sherman appear to be wrong Kaleva Nov 2017 #39
He shot at something before he knew what it was. Squinch Nov 2017 #27
At one time a pistol could not be the primary hunting weapon.... Historic NY Nov 2017 #25
Maine, 1989: "If she had been wearing one piece of blaze-orange clothing, she'd be alive today." dalton99a Nov 2017 #26
Im afraid of this happening to me or my dog. Oneironaut Nov 2017 #28
Common sense in rural lands is don't tromp thru the woods during deer season dembotoz Nov 2017 #33
She was 100 yards from her house. LisaL Nov 2017 #34
+ And standing in a field ..... lunasun Nov 2017 #35
In deer season there are moron s outside with high powered weapons dembotoz Nov 2017 #36
Well she was not tromping through woods she was close to her home and in a field lunasun Nov 2017 #37
After the Sun went down ... left-of-center2012 Nov 2017 #38
Our local city council allows deer hunting mid-town! WyLoochka Nov 2017 #40
When assholes are outlawed, only outlaws will have assholes. red dog 1 Nov 2017 #41
Fuck the NRA and gun nuts doodsaq Nov 2017 #42

Denis 11

(280 posts)
6. If she was wearing white gloves....
Sat Nov 25, 2017, 05:45 AM
Nov 2017

Then the glove is mistaken for the tail of the deer.
It is unfortunately not uncommon.

phylny

(8,396 posts)
13. I remember this same thing happened years ago
Sat Nov 25, 2017, 08:04 AM
Nov 2017

Woman was outside wearing white mittens. Consensus was SHE was at fault for her own death because everyone knew you don’t wear white mittens during deer season. SMH.

ETA sorry, should have read the post below, same info.

Demsrule86

(68,837 posts)
14. The guy needs to go to jail...careless...if you run someone over with your car, you face charges ...
Sat Nov 25, 2017, 08:26 AM
Nov 2017

they need to punish careless gun 'accidents similar to vehicular homicides...and no hunting in suburban or areas with houses...bullets travel.

DFW

(54,518 posts)
3. The article said the shooter used a pistol on a target 200 yards away
Sat Nov 25, 2017, 05:25 AM
Nov 2017

What handgun is accurate at 200 yards? I'm sure the guy had no intention of killing his neighbor, but no one forced him to go out hunting deer and shooting at 200 yards after the sun had set. That was an accident waiting to happen.

Plus--HOW is he ever going to be able to face his neighbor again? Even if the shooter gets off scot free, he'd be well advised to move somewhere certainly no closer than Bangladesh.

Angry Dragon

(36,693 posts)
7. After sunset---which is illegal --- pistol----200 yards--- he thought it was a deer
Sat Nov 25, 2017, 06:30 AM
Nov 2017

many lives ruined
what is he doing hunting in a neighborhood??

Throck

(2,520 posts)
12. It's a very rural neighborhood.
Sat Nov 25, 2017, 08:02 AM
Nov 2017

Hunter is a complete moron.

I wear orange and only leash walk the dog during deer season.

Damn bubbas.

Kaleva

(36,406 posts)
18. According to this article, he was in his back yard
Sat Nov 25, 2017, 09:02 AM
Nov 2017

"A neighbor, Thomas B. Jadlowski, thought he saw a deer in his back yard 200 yards away and fired a single shot. Then he heard a scream. Realizing he'd shot a person, he ran out to help, Chautauqua County Sheriff's Office officials said in a news release."

http://www.nola.com/outdoors/index.ssf/2017/11/he_thought_he_saw_a_deer_and_f.html

I'm confused about whose property the woman was on when she was shot. It might have been the shooters.

LisaL

(44,985 posts)
21. He was in his back yard. She was not in his back yard, according to her husband.
Sat Nov 25, 2017, 09:15 AM
Nov 2017

"Jamie Billquist said that his wife was on the property of their next-door neighbor when she was shot. He said that Jadlowski didn't have permission to be hunting on the neighbor's property."

http://buffalonews.com/2017/11/24/husband-of-hunting-accident-victim-her-life-was-cut-way-too-short/

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
9. A former coworker of mine lost his wife
Sat Nov 25, 2017, 06:47 AM
Nov 2017

in a similar way in the state of Maine.They had just moved there with their infant twins. There was a trial, and the defense of the hunter was that he mistook her for a white-tailed deer because she was wearing white mittens. He was hunting very close to a residential area.

http://people.com/archive/a-tragic-hunting-accident-in-maine-kills-a-mother-in-her-own-backyard-and-ends-in-the-shooters-acquittal-vol-34-no-18/

avebury

(10,953 posts)
22. If I remember correctly
Sat Nov 25, 2017, 09:17 AM
Nov 2017

They moved the trial. If they had not done that the guy would have been convicted.

Vinca

(50,334 posts)
16. There was a report on our news last week that a woman riding her bicycle on a trail
Sat Nov 25, 2017, 08:45 AM
Nov 2017

in a state park was shot. I don't think she was killed, but why the hell are hunters allowed in government parks when trails are open for hikers and cyclists?

 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
17. Poachers are scum
Sat Nov 25, 2017, 08:57 AM
Nov 2017

And the guy shooting after dark was one.

It sounds like he used a high caliber single shot pistol with a scope. They make them than can take down a deer at that range. There are some people that carry them when hunting way back in rugged terrain because they are light and easy to pack, but a lot of them also get bought by poachers because they are easy to hide compared to a rifle.

Given the combination of using that kind of handgun and shooting after dark when he wasn’t certain of his target I’m certain this wasn’t his first wildlife law violation. The story doesn’t say who the property she was on belonged to but I’ll bet that he didn’t have permission to hunt there either.

Kaleva

(36,406 posts)
19. The woman might have been on the hunter's property.
Sat Nov 25, 2017, 09:03 AM
Nov 2017

"A neighbor, Thomas B. Jadlowski, thought he saw a deer in his back yard 200 yards away and fired a single shot. Then he heard a scream. Realizing he’d shot a person, he ran out to help, said Chautauqua County Sheriff’s Office officials in a news release."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/he-thought-he-saw-a-deer-and-fired-his-pistol-now-his-neighbor-is-dead/ar-BBFBGqr?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartanntp

LisaL

(44,985 posts)
20. No, she wasn't.
Sat Nov 25, 2017, 09:14 AM
Nov 2017

"Jamie Billquist said that his wife was on the property of their next-door neighbor when she was shot. He said that Jadlowski didn't have permission to be hunting on the neighbor's property."

http://buffalonews.com/2017/11/24/husband-of-hunting-accident-victim-her-life-was-cut-way-too-short/

Kaleva

(36,406 posts)
23. A matter that should be clarified.
Sat Nov 25, 2017, 09:26 AM
Nov 2017

But does not exonerate the shooter from responsibility as he was in the wrong regardless of whose property the woman was on at the time of the shooting.

LisaL

(44,985 posts)
24. Seems clear enough to me.
Sat Nov 25, 2017, 09:29 AM
Nov 2017

She was shot 200 yards from the shooter and 100 yards from her home.
"Jamie Billquist said his 43-year-old wife had been shot in the hip roughly 100 yards from their house."

http://buffalonews.com/2017/11/24/husband-of-hunting-accident-victim-her-life-was-cut-way-too-short/

Kaleva

(36,406 posts)
29. The shooter lived a mile away from where the lady was shot
Sat Nov 25, 2017, 09:46 AM
Nov 2017

Thomas B. Jadlowski lives on Cornish St. which is some distance from Armenian Road where the shooting took place. Jadlowski was out violating.

"Thomas B. Jadlowski, 34, lived barely a mile away on Cornish Street. He was out past sunset – the legal limit for hunting – at 4:46 p.m. that day. He also did not have permission to hunt on the property where Rosemary was walking her dogs."

http://mb.ntd.tv/2017/11/24/hunter-makes-fatal-mistake-shoots-woman-walking-her-dogs/

LisaL

(44,985 posts)
30. Whatever the exact distances are, seems pretty clear she was not on his property when
Sat Nov 25, 2017, 09:49 AM
Nov 2017

she was shot.

Kaleva

(36,406 posts)
31. No he wasn't.
Sat Nov 25, 2017, 09:54 AM
Nov 2017

Looking at Google maps, there's thick woods and an interstate between the shooter's home and where the lady was shot. The shooter was violating.

LisaL

(44,985 posts)
32. I am talking about her. Seems clear she was not on his property.
Sat Nov 25, 2017, 09:57 AM
Nov 2017

It's less clear where exactly he was, since there is contradictory reporting on that.

Kaleva

(36,406 posts)
39. Edit: Reports of him living in Sherman appear to be wrong
Sat Nov 25, 2017, 12:04 PM
Nov 2017

Other sources say he lives on Armenian Road not too far from the victim's residence.

Also appears that the shooter is an NRA certified pistol instructor and an instructor for the Hunting Safety Classes required by New York.

Historic NY

(37,462 posts)
25. At one time a pistol could not be the primary hunting weapon....
Sat Nov 25, 2017, 09:31 AM
Nov 2017

some of the morons barely can use a rifle. I live 60 miles no. of the city and I don't go near the woods at this time of the year.

dalton99a

(81,708 posts)
26. Maine, 1989: "If she had been wearing one piece of blaze-orange clothing, she'd be alive today."
Sat Nov 25, 2017, 09:34 AM
Nov 2017

Bangor Daily News columnist: "If she had been wearing one piece of blaze-orange clothing, she'd be alive today."

http://www.nytimes.com/1989/09/10/magazine/a-killing-in-maine.html?pagewanted=all
A KILLING IN MAINE
By James Howard Kunstler; James Howard Kunstler is a novelist who writes about environmental issues.
Published: September 10, 1989

LAST YEAR, OUTSIDE Bangor, Me., on a November afternoon that could not have been more beautiful, Karen Ann Wood was shot in her own backyard by Donald Rogerson, a deer hunter. The 37-year-old mother of twin baby girls died minutes later. The incident aroused a furor in a state where the traditions of the great outdoors are more and more at odds with the realities of suburban sprawl. It grew even more bitter when a Bangor grand jury refused to indict the hunter, a homegrown son of Maine, on manslaughter charges, fueling an ''us-versus-them'' quarrel between natives and newer arrivals from ''away,'' as the rest of the world is called. Karen Ann Wood was from away. Wood and her husband, Kevin, had come to the Bangor area with their infant twin girls in July 1988 from Davenport, Iowa, where he had been in graduate school. The Woods had both grown up in the small, upstate city of Binghamton, N.Y., met in high school and married a few years later. They had postponed having children until Kevin Wood was settled in his profession as a child psychologist. The move to Maine also represented the fulfillment of a long-postponed desire: to resettle in the East.

A month after they arrived in Maine, the Woods moved into a new house, a slate-blue Cape Cod home, the last dwelling near the dead end of a one-street subdivision called Treadwell Acres in the town of Hermon, a few miles west of the Bangor city line. What had been forest and puckerbrush only 10 years before - prime deer-hunting territory - had lately burgeoned into a mixed suburb of industrial parks and new homes. The new house, the new children - a new life in Maine was the Woods' reward for the years of struggle in Iowa.

DON ROGERSON, 45, IS THE PRODUCE manager of a neighborhood supermarket in Bangor, a Boy Scout leader and a lifelong hunter. Neither he nor his hunting companion that day, Peter Anderson, a Bangor lawyer, would comment for this article, but in the days after the shooting Rogerson gave an account of the incident to local reporters.

At about 2:45 that Tuesday afternoon, the two hunters parked Rogerson's pickup in a dusty turnaround at the dead end of Treadwell Acres Drive, 200 yards or so past the Woods' house. There is no way they could have failed to notice that they were close to a residential neighborhood when they entered their hunting ground. The weather was perfectly clear, the temperature about 50 degrees.

...

Oneironaut

(5,547 posts)
28. Im afraid of this happening to me or my dog.
Sat Nov 25, 2017, 09:45 AM
Nov 2017

I sometimes use a trail that permits bow hunting. I’m afraid some moron will see movement and carelessly fire an arrow at us. All it takes is one dumb hunter.

People like this make gun control more likely. They are not responsible enough and too impulsive to carry any weapon.

dembotoz

(16,866 posts)
33. Common sense in rural lands is don't tromp thru the woods during deer season
Sat Nov 25, 2017, 10:00 AM
Nov 2017

And just think here in Wisconsin this year u can be shot by a toddler..age restriction removed

dembotoz

(16,866 posts)
36. In deer season there are moron s outside with high powered weapons
Sat Nov 25, 2017, 10:58 AM
Nov 2017

All of them with the expectation of killing something. U also have the pressure of needing to fire your weapon so u can justify ur masculinity at the water cooler at work on Monday.

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
37. Well she was not tromping through woods she was close to her home and in a field
Sat Nov 25, 2017, 11:12 AM
Nov 2017

Life loss because of some culture's ritual needs seen as sacrifice to it is not really an excuse but she herself is described as being in a open field not a wooded area .

WyLoochka

(1,629 posts)
40. Our local city council allows deer hunting mid-town!
Sat Nov 25, 2017, 01:20 PM
Nov 2017

River runs right through town. They allow deer hunting on the north side of the river which is quite narrow, averaging 10-20 yards between the river and a steep canyon wall. The river ranges from 25 to 50 yards wide - then there is the south side river trail right there. And there are the fly fisher people standing in the river.

They are nuts here to allow this. Rarely see deer down there, but they are all over the place outside of town. This is a very small town. It's not like they would have far to go to hunt where they wouldn't endanger people.

Went down there yesterday in my blaze orange sweatshirt. Talked to one walker person who, while expressing a little discomfort at being caught in unsuitable clothing color for the hunting season said - "good hunters will position themselves so as not to let their bullets cross the river to the south side."

Unfortunately, not everyone is a "good hunter," as this tragedy in Chautauqua County clearly shows.

doodsaq

(120 posts)
42. Fuck the NRA and gun nuts
Mon Nov 27, 2017, 10:19 PM
Nov 2017

This is what happens when paranoid gun nuts think they have a right to shoot anything that moves to exercise their "freedom."

How about freedom to live, assholes.

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