in 16...fresh faces.

the russians and bannon will take him apart and split the divisions from 2016 wide open.

Too many people blame him for the loss to trump, and they are right.

Time for someone else. Anyone else really. Just as hillary shouldn't run again, neither should bernie.

And if he runs and doesn't get the nomination, his butt hurt supporters will see to it that the r wins. He need to stfu and go away from the race.

Lord, please no more.

He is unelectable. He was my mayor years ago, and he is great. But he will not win a general election.

We need a populist Democrat from a fly-over State or the Midwest at the top of the ticket. John Hickenlooper or Sherrod Brown perhaps. Maybe with Gillibrand as the VP candidate. Get them elected, and Kamala Harris would make a great AG.

And I agree. He would be better served and so would we all if he threw his support behind a promising Progressive candidate. And then after the primary, throw his completely committed support behind the Democratic nominee with no Shenanigans no wavering no BS. That would be the Senator Sanders I have known for the past 25 years. I hope his popularity hasn't changed him.

n/t

I guess it depends on how much support he will have from the party leadership if he gets the nomination and whether or not there are people who voted for Trump in the last election who could vote for a Democrat in the upcoming election.

Bryant

Isn't he an independent?

If he wanted to go the third party route than that is definitely an awful move on his part. I take it you expect him to run for the Independent nomination, not the Democratic Nomination?

I doubt if they'll do it again; letting Sanders run as a Democrat when by his own words he is not one.

If he runs as an Independent he'll do it as a spoiler.

as a Democrat. The LAST thing we want to see is Bernie run as a third-party independent candidate, as that would almost guarantee the re-election of the Pussy-Grabber-in-Chief.

What the Democratic Party should do is get a commitment from Bernie that IF he runs for President in 2020, and IF the Democratic Party allows Bernie to run as the Democratic nominee, and IF Bernie loses the nomination, Bernie agrees to endorse the winner, as he did with Hillary in 2016, and NOT run as an Independent.

Maybe Bernie won't even run again and none of this will matter.

whether you want it or not, or else"

to compete for the presidential nomination again. If, the party bars him outright, it runs the risk of a third-party candidacy, which could spell disaster. It just seems like the most logical way to proceed in a way that will unite the Democratic Party, rather than split it.

He encouraged his supporters to believe, right up until the convention, that he could somehow win. That was a big part of the problem with him. Just no.

This is about future primaries in comparison with 2016. Am not litigating 2016 primaries.

Many of us will be waiting to do whatever we can to support him.

And he has a good message.

If he runs again, I think that will resonate even more this time after 4 years of the orange jackass in the white house.

The ability to work with other progressives is a big consideration in evaluating whether or not the person would be the best option for POTUS.

"Dems (sic) are foolish to dismiss him out of hand..."

No one of influence is either doing so, or arguing to do so.

As well as transparency about one's health.

A 79 year old white dude from that electoral powerhouse, Vermont. He had his chance last time and although unwittingly, he helped elect the disaster we now have in the Whitehouse.

Then again it doesn't matter what either of us think, if he wants to run again he'll do so.

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He left the party the day after he lost the primary and now, wants to drop back in just prior to the next one. Does not seem right to me.

We are out here and ready to go!!!!
Give'em hell Bernie!!!!!!!

eom

Perhaps he will be more forthcoming concerning that and his finances this time.

Personally I want to vote for a Democrat.

Because that's acceptable political expediency.

Bernie burned the bridge with the Green Party in 1996 when he endorsed BILL CLINTON for president, and independent candidates don't have the resources that a Green Party or Democratic Party candidate have for a Presidential run.

So the Democrats are the lucky ones that Bernie needs, and has the privilege of being the party that he joins just prior to his run for POTUS.

If he does not do that, there will be enormous resistance to his candidacy from the national party organization.

On the other hand, I believe he will not actually run in 2020, after due consideration.

The Democratic Party deserves something newer and better and more energizing and less divisive.

Obviously, it'll depend on who else is running.

Hopefully he’s not allowed to run as a Democrat. Even better,Don’t run at all.

He is a product of the past trapped in his own failed revolution.

Thank you

We WOKE.

We are very WOKE.

Everyone has ideas. Especially when they're campaigning.

He fails to tell how those ideas will be brought to reality.

And then there's the unforgiveable vote against Magnitsky & "No Bernie, Rape is not a Fantasy."
Hes words, his ideas, his book at age 30.
He makes me cringe.
And that feeling is valid considering the subject.
Hard to take him serious.

That is how I feel about bernie's "ideas".

... they are, as you correctly point out, just reiterating the problem.

That other thing you mention is just beneath contempt and beyond forgiveness. To me it revealed the true measure of the man.

That book is a trigger to many many women.
He found that out with the push-back as a speaker at the women's convention and it will never be forgotten by the millions who feel the way I do.

When asked once about the Rape Fantasy book during the primary, he simply waved it off. No big deal.
The attempt at burying that topic will never make it disappear.
His words, his book, his "ideas".

being discussed these days and he does wave it off just as when he kept waving his arm in front of a newswoman's face and she pushed it out of her way, he shoved back.

Its way past time for side stepping the reality of this major issue that stares us all in the face every single day.
Enough coddling. Speak out.

And his fans rave about how he’s such a truthteller - as if anyone needs Bernie Sanders to tell us what needs fixing. But then he offers nothing.

I’m so over him and his dog and pony show. And I think most Democrats are, too - and will look for something different this time around

Unlike last round we don’t have an obvious front runner candidate going in.

That means a whole lot of others are going to jump in.

Bernie has a dedicated base.

None of the others do.

If the early primaries all get split between other candidates and Bernie’s solid 25% base turns out for him, especially in states with open primaries or caucuses, then that base is enough to give him the delegate lead if the remaining vote is split between 5-6 candidates with no clear leaders.

Of course this doesn’t account for how superdelegates might or might not factor....

That's the question.

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All talk.

Bernie voted for the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996

When President Obama was exploring options to close Guantanamo, the Senate voted 90-6 in favor of a measure that barred the Obama from moving any detainees into prisons on the US mainland. Bernie was one of the 90 who voted in favor of the measure that rebuked Obama.

Sanders pushed for low-level nuclear waste (scrap metal, gloves, etc) to get dumped on a poverty-stricken Latino town, Sierra Blanca, TX. He also voted against an amendment to ensure that the town had no legal recourse to challenge this dump. Paul Wellstone called this act "environmental racism." Jane Sanders sits on the board of the Texas Low-Level Radioactive Waste Disposal Compact Commission, allowing them to financially benefit from this.

Bernie backed 1.5 trillion dollars worth of military spending on F-35 fighter jets, since it would help his home state.

In 2003 voted against Amber Alert and against criminalizing computer-generated child pornography.

He voted for the 1994 crime bill.

In his time in congress He also supported several military interventions, such as Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, Iraq twice along with voting repeatedly for budgets that included funding for the 2003 war, Somalia, and Libya.

And since you posted an article from the early part of 2016 on Bernie's political career accomplishments, here's an alternate take:

"Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.), who has had a much clearer impact on the financial and inequality discussions in just the three years she’s been in the Senate."

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/03/bernies-record-220508

Passed more amendments than any other congressperson or senator, expanded healthcare, FOUNDED the progressive caucus, and lead the opposition to the patriot act and the Iraq war. Few senators can claim as much.

That was Hillary, and it was called SCHIP
http://www.factcheck.org/2008/03/giving-hillary-credit-for-schip/

And she got that done even before she got to the Senate. Please refresh my memory as to how Bernie Sanders has expanded healthcare.

Amendments are something that gets tacked on after all the work on the bill in committee is done. Adding an amendment allows one to bypass working with with people in the process of authoring a bill. Few Senators feel the need to bypass working with other Senators.

The Congressional Progressive Caucus was established in 1991 by six members of the United States House of Representatives: U.S. Representatives Ron Dellums (D-CA), Lane Evans (D-IL), Thomas Andrews (D-ME), Peter DeFazio (D-OR), Maxine Waters (D-CA), and Bernie Sanders (I-VT), so actually five other congresspersons can claim that they founded the Progressive Caucus. I realize that you said "Few Senators can claim that" but that skirts the fact that it is a Congressional caucus, and not a Senate body.


Rand Paul is considered to be the leader of opposition of, and responsible for the demise of the Patriot Act.

http://time.com/3902801/rand-paul-nsa-phone-patriot-act/

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/05/21/408417139/sen-rand-paul-stages-filibuster-to-protest-patriot-act

It's important to be accurate when one is attributing things to someone we admire.

Thanks for your efforts to keep the record accurate.

....the substance of a bill. That's why lots of them are passed either without debate or by voice vote.

and others call the person a pastry chef....

and superficial on vision.

Bring them forward

one needs the skills to make those ideas a reality, and his Senate career doesn't indicate that he has those.

He is a good gadfly, and that's very different than what is needed to effectively work in the Oval Office.

From the Democratic Platform 2017?

I am curious.

What ideas and how will any one of them get passed? He offers dreams and no solutions or a plan on how to get there. How do we get this done?

It will only hurt the party again!

He is too old, and he is not a Democrat. I like many of his positions, and I know he is popular, but he is also quite unpopular in parts of the Democratic base, especially among Hillary supporters who hold him partially responsible for her loss. (And no reason to alert - not refighting the primaries, just stating a reality that to many, his rhetoric, staying in too long, and lukewarm support of her during the 2016 election, are things that make him rather unpopular, especially since it may have played a role in giving us Trump.) Biden should stay out too.

Fresh faces please. Sadly Al Franken has been damaged, because he would have been great. Kamala Harris and a few other contenders should enter. For now, let's focus on 2018, and meanwhile the younger crowd have a chance to make themselves known.

Exactly.


If he wants to run that's fine though personally, I don't see him winning the nomination.

Particularly, if he's facing a Kamala Harris for example.

Cory Booker as well.

I said it in another thread but I just think Bernie's upside is limited in terms of his appeal.



I could be wrong though.

I wish he would just stop.

I want to know who's running from OUR party, not some 79 year old guy who isn't.

The Party's primaries and convention run candidates for, and vote on the nomination of, members of the Democratic Party.

I am glad he caucuses with us, but he left the party, and is thus ineligible to run for the nomination of our party. That was his call, and I respect it, but party membership bestows eligibility that non-party members do not enjoy. If he wants to be a write-in candidate, he is perfectly welcome to go for that, although I suspect the Republicans would welcome it more than we would. If he wants to rejoin the Democratic Party, there would be some grumbling, but probably no boulders thrown in his path for that, either. Should he choose not to, however, he removes himself from legitimately seeking to be nominated by a party to which he does not belong. His call entirely.

The rule should be that if you haven’t been a Democrat consistently for the past five years, you are ineligible for the nomination in 2020 and going forward.

I know a number of folks in the DNC, I can help try and get that started.

We need to prevent people from hijacking the party and becoming Democrats out of convenience because they need the infrastructure of a major party to have any hope of winning.

Thank you Steven.

because how is anyone going to take a candidate seriously without them?

Especially one running on campaign finance reform, and Millionaires....

If you won't let people look in your own yard, you can't tell people how to keep theirs.

would keep out all sorts of riff raff.

AND consistently CAUCUS WITH THE DEMOCRATS for the past five years, you are ineligible for the nomination in 2020 and going forward.

"I want to know who's running from OUR party..."

I understand the difficulties in denying oneself the discipline to not click on a link clearly identifying with Sanders, and hence, waste your valuable research time much more effectively used in finding out the simplistic answers to your clearly sincere and genuine queries.

Otherwise, it's little more than grade-school petulance.

Good luck with that, Senator.

I support the DEMOCRATIC PARTY and no other.

I support ONLY Democrats, REAL Democrats!

I make no secret about how I feel about Sanders, but I honestly feel this would be a spoiler move, and not a genuine attempt. Plus I’m not enamored of his foriegn policy 101 attempts. Why NOW?

He does have millions of people that love him beyond all reason, almost to the point of deification, and I’d like to think that even Bernie Sanders could beat Donald Trump, but I want a different face, one with the competency to start repairing the damage 4 years of Trump will have caused. Sanders is an extremely polarizing figure for many Democrats*. We need someone different and fresher.

*This is assuming he intends to join the Democratic Party to run again. He can, of course do whatever he likes as a independent*

At least they don't even try to hide it. This is the definition of propaganda. He has no more "bona fides" than he did the last time he ran for President and lost mightily, not making it to the big show. He had none then. Watch as they magically pull "bona fides" out of thin air. The beauty of the career politician. Maybe he can get some foreign policy pointers from Sarandon.

He won't release his full tax returns. Has opposed sanctions against Russia. Voted against a pathway to citizenship for over ten million people. Supported one of the worst anti-regulatory financial bill....

Time to move on people. We have true progressives to get behind. Sanders has no clue when it comes to the thought "it takes a village". You would think that to be a requirement to a career politician claiming to be kind of but not really a socialist.