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alp227

(32,065 posts)
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 04:43 PM Apr 2015

Eleven former teachers and administrators guilty in cheating trial (Atlanta Public Schools)

Source: Atlanta Journal-Constitution

“Guilty,” Judge Jerry Baxter read the jury’s verdicts for conspiracy for 11 of the 12 defendants in the Atlanta Public Schools cheating trial.

The conspiracy charge was the most serious and could bring sentences up to 20 years.

Only one defendant, Dessa Curb, walked away with no conviction on any charge.

Read more: http://www.ajc.com/news/news/eleven-former-teachers-and-administrators-guilty-i/nkkFX/

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Eleven former teachers and administrators guilty in cheating trial (Atlanta Public Schools) (Original Post) alp227 Apr 2015 OP
good...send them to prison ProdigalJunkMail Apr 2015 #1
American justice sulphurdunn Apr 2015 #3
when people started getting bonuses ProdigalJunkMail Apr 2015 #7
The teachers are certainly guilty. sulphurdunn Apr 2015 #14
Good. I admit I'm surprised at the verdict, considering Atlanta juries in the past. 7962 Apr 2015 #2
One Sidedness. Beowulf42 Apr 2015 #10
I totally agree with you. 840high Apr 2015 #12
ReallY Roy Rolling Apr 2015 #4
I find it very harsh: esp considering how white collar criminals either get away with their crimes C Moon Apr 2015 #5
They could have pleaded it down in the face of an avalanche of evidence cosmicone Apr 2015 #6
This was a right sentence. 840high Apr 2015 #13
System Beowulf42 Apr 2015 #11
Well it all came from the top down. Beverly Hall, the ATL super just passed away this year. YOHABLO Apr 2015 #8
we also need to cut the administrative crap out of our schools ProdigalJunkMail Apr 2015 #9
How many students? sulphurdunn Apr 2015 #15
under 2000 ProdigalJunkMail Apr 2015 #17
Has anything in the community besides sulphurdunn Apr 2015 #18
not really... ProdigalJunkMail Apr 2015 #19
Judge sent them straight to prison pending sentencing. ..... msanthrope Apr 2015 #16
They did a disservice fiddodiddo Apr 2015 #20
Did No Child Left Behind have something to do with this? Larry Engels Apr 2015 #21
 

sulphurdunn

(6,891 posts)
3. American justice
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 05:22 PM
Apr 2015

casts a big net that catches only little fish. The education reform agenda with its billionaire backed foundations and bought politicians who designed and imposed this corporatist production model of education are still at large and still doing their part to cheat and screw kids for money.

ProdigalJunkMail

(12,017 posts)
7. when people started getting bonuses
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 05:56 PM
Apr 2015

and schools started getting their funding tied to scores this sort of pressure could be brought to bear. i agree that the testing world is out of control... but it is the current world of public education.

this was cheating. cheating to get money. for bonuses and for the school system as a whole and it was cheating the students who would be passed on to the next grade thanks to the 'corrections' on their tests.

sP

 

sulphurdunn

(6,891 posts)
14. The teachers are certainly guilty.
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 08:03 AM
Apr 2015

But, they would never have taken the initiative to do this without administrative pressure. Often, when a large urban school system decides to implement a draconian testing regime, tracks lead back to the Eli Broad Superintendents Academy. I've attached a few links for your perusal. It is remarkable how individual billionaires can shape society.

http://www.broadcenter.org/academy/

http://purereform.blogspot.com/2011/07/atlanta-cheating-scandal-broad.html

http://dianeravitch.net/2013/03/30/a-broad-connection-to-the-atlanta-scandal/

https://seattleducation2010.wordpress.com/2011/04/19/how-to-tell-if-your-school-district-is-infected-by-the-broad-virus/

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
2. Good. I admit I'm surprised at the verdict, considering Atlanta juries in the past.
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 05:20 PM
Apr 2015

Now give them a little time in the pen and do NOT let them keep the generous state retirement

Beowulf42

(206 posts)
10. One Sidedness.
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 07:37 PM
Apr 2015

Yes. Let's destroy the lives of people at the lowest levels and ignore the fucking idiots in the Congress who made the laws that said, "teachers are responsible for all, all of education, and will pay with their lives and careers for a stupid law. It reminds me of the Army. If something goes wrong, there is always an enlisted man who will take the blame. Generals? Nope. They were in some helicopter far far away from Me Lai.

Roy Rolling

(6,943 posts)
4. ReallY
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 05:37 PM
Apr 2015

Locking them up in state prison will address the wrong committed?

I'm sorry. Prisons are horrible places and gulags, sending teachers to prison for cheating is cruel and unproductive. There are many other sentences that can attempt to correct the damage as well as rehabilitate the offender.

I would hope my DU friends would reconsider their comments in light of the perspective I have shared.

The U.S. locks up too many people in for-profit prisons. That is not justice, that is big business.

C Moon

(12,223 posts)
5. I find it very harsh: esp considering how white collar criminals either get away with their crimes
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 05:40 PM
Apr 2015

or get a slap on the wrist.
Very wrong.

 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
6. They could have pleaded it down in the face of an avalanche of evidence
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 05:49 PM
Apr 2015

but they chose not to and failed to convince a single juror of their innocence.

What sentence do you think they should get? Detention for a week and no chance to chaperone at the prom?

 

YOHABLO

(7,358 posts)
8. Well it all came from the top down. Beverly Hall, the ATL super just passed away this year.
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 06:24 PM
Apr 2015

She received huge bonus money for her ''accomplishment" although I think the controversy took her down fast. This all started with NO Child Left Behind bullcrap .. Maybe if we funded our public schools properly and supported our colleges of education, we'd have children that excel in learning.

ProdigalJunkMail

(12,017 posts)
9. we also need to cut the administrative crap out of our schools
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 07:00 PM
Apr 2015

budget-wise. the high school i went to had one principal, one vice-principal and three counselors. that same school with only 10% more students today than then??? Twelve people with the name 'principal' somewhere in their title. Seven counselors. Three 'resource officers' (we never had one of those). Figuring an average salary of $65,000 a year (for principals and such that seems about right for the county) that adds up to over $1million per year in salary alone for additional people to run a school with effectively the same number of students. Multiply that by 15+ high schools and we're talking real money. Never mind 90 other schools in the county... if they are in the same ballpark we're approaching $90million in salaries that weren't even there 15 years ago...

sP

ProdigalJunkMail

(12,017 posts)
17. under 2000
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 09:18 AM
Apr 2015

and the school ran just peachy with the two principals and counselors we used to have. it is crazy the number of admins in that school now.

sP

 

sulphurdunn

(6,891 posts)
18. Has anything in the community besides
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 10:01 AM
Apr 2015

enrollment and the number of administrators changed in the last 15 years?

ProdigalJunkMail

(12,017 posts)
19. not really...
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 11:26 AM
Apr 2015

upper middle class... if anything the school has a higher $$$ demographic than it did when i was there. the football program got good (we sucked) and the baseball program has fallen off (we won a couple of state championships while i was there). heck, some of the same teachers are still there...

it just seems to be a problem with any large organization... they get heavier and heavier at the top and start to neglect what it going on where the rubber meets the road, so to speak. hell, it is even happening in the company i work for... too many chiefs.

sP

 

Larry Engels

(387 posts)
21. Did No Child Left Behind have something to do with this?
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 11:50 AM
Apr 2015

NCLB created tremendous pressure on teachers and school officials to "get their stats up."

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