California man gets 18 years for US 'revenge porn' site
Source: Agence France-Presse
California man gets 18 years for US 'revenge porn' site
Los Angeles, Apr 4, 2015 (AFP)
A California man who posted thousands of sexually explicit photos of men and women on a "revenge porn" website was jailed for 18 years in what was described as the first case of its kind in US criminal history.
San Diego man Kevin Bollaert, 28, was convicted in February of running a website that hosted more than 10,000 explicit photographs.
California Attorney General Kamala Harris said it marked the first criminal prosecution of a cyber-exploitation website operator in the United States.
Bollaert's website -- ugotposted.com -- was launched in December 2012, enabling photographs to be posted without the subject's permission.
Read more: http://www.deccanherald.com/content/469696/california-man-gets-18-years.html
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BlueJazz
(25,348 posts)....to take down the photographs, he deserves it. What a nasty, ass thing to do.
Man from Pickens
(1,713 posts)they post peoples' booking photos and charge them to take them offline
same exact business model - reputation destruction for dollars
yet somehow perfectly legal
dolphinsandtuna
(231 posts)It's porn of unwilling people. I'd given him that sentence consecutively for each victim.
BlueJazz
(25,348 posts)...this kind of stuff. (especially in the States)
I certainly wouldn't do something like that but wouldn't someone be aware that there are some real nuts in the world that would track you down and put a bullet between your eyes. ??
secondwind
(16,903 posts)Helen Borg
(3,963 posts)Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)Andreas Lubitz, German killer co-pilot
Judi Lynn
(160,654 posts)Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)Identical 'baby mouths'--sign of arrested emotional development.
MattSh
(3,714 posts)is there actually any real science behind that?
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)be blocked at the 'weaning' stage of development. This can be observed in a 'suckling' morphology around the mouth.
http://scholar.google.fr/scholar?q=weaning+disorders+narcissistic+personality&hl=fr&as_sdt=0&as_vis=1&oi=scholart&sa=X&ei=aM4fVY_cLYvKaOH5gcgP&ved=0CB4QgQMwAA
Cultures as a causative of mental disorder
Birth weight and the risk of depressive disorder in late life
Social psychological correlates of mental illness and mental health.
AngryAmish
(25,704 posts)akin to phrenology, astrology and scientology.
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)Freud painted with the same brush as L. Ron Hubbard?
Ennnteeereesting! Ennnteeereesting!
mopinko
(70,273 posts)he was important in his time, but we know a lot more now about mental illness.
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)Last edited Sat Apr 4, 2015, 01:04 PM - Edit history (1)
An evolving school of thought has carried on from his 'revolutionary' beginnings.
mopinko
(70,273 posts)experiences dont cause mental illness so much as triggers it, extreme situation aside.
the sooner the idea of mental illness is replaced by actual brain science, the better. in the meantime, people are very much harmed by this approach, especially children and adolescents.
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)experience has been with the Freudian School of psychoanalysis and its heirs, or what 'anti-psych' axe you have to grind.
All I can tell you, is that Freudian/Lacanian psychoanalysis is alive and well and being practiced fairly widely in France.
http://changingminds.org/disciplines/psychoanalysis/articles/lacanian_psychoanalysis.htm
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/lacan/
https://www.cla.purdue.edu/english/theory/psychoanalysis/lacanstructure.html
ronnie624
(5,764 posts)Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)school of thought with many adherents.
You can actually study it at UNIVERSITY in this country!
OMG!
Last edited Sat Apr 4, 2015, 07:17 PM - Edit history (1)
it is horseshit that you can study at university. And those universities should be embarrassed for passing horseshit off as scholarship.
It is anti-rational, obscurationist, and not evidence based. It's both tragic and dangerous to the human sciences that Lacan's brand of charlatanism is still given a veneer of respectability by institutions of higher learning. I don't just say this based on the judgements of others. I've read Lacan.
But this is worth a read, too
http://www.amazon.com/Fashionable-Nonsense-Postmodern-Intellectuals-Science/dp/0312204078/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1428189438&sr=8-1&keywords=Fashionable+nonsense
aikoaiko
(34,185 posts)A few professional programs continue on the tradition or something similar. There's very little empirical support for it.
I liken it to theological studies where there are plenty of people willing to pay you or hire you for trying to explain something within a nonmaterial ideology.
Plus the French love narratives.
PADemD
(4,482 posts)Attorneys use it to select juries.
Amazing Face Reading: An Illustrated Encyclopedia for Reading Faces, by Mac Fulfer, J.D.
http://www.amazon.com/Amazing-Face-Reading-Illustrated-Encyclopedia/dp/0965593126
Fulfer has given seminars on face reading to major corporations; and, on his web site, there are several videos which explain face reading.
http://www.amazingfacereading.com/
I've read his book, and it seems quite accurate. It might help to explain why some faces appear "creepy" but you don't know why.
wheniwasincongress
(1,307 posts)It's like astrology - vague descriptions that fit anyone to a degree. The shape of your eyes indicates you go after what you want! Everyone goes after what they want! If you're a kid or teen and you buy this, fine. But an adult?! WOOF!
PADemD
(4,482 posts)Actually, the descriptions are very specific and quite accurate. They are used to select juries. For example, a defense attorney in a civil lawsuit would not want someone who appears to be generous finding against their client and awarding a huge settlement.
Corporations are not run by teenagers and would not spend money to have their employees attend these seminars if it was total BS.
IronLionZion
(45,575 posts)good call!
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)Unfortunately, Lubitz's passengers weren't so lucky.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)foo_bar
(4,193 posts)ALERTER'S COMMENTS
OTT, one person murdered over 150 people in cold blood. This kind of comparison is dangerous and just as bad as posting revenge porn. Please vote to hide.
You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sat Apr 4, 2015, 06:53 AM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.
Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Revengeporn guy must have sent this alert.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No, this post is not as bad as posting revenge porn.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: This stupid post (they don't even look anything alike) is stupid. But it is not "just as bad as posting revenge porn". Talk about OTT!
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Separated at birth is silly little game we play. Which is worse the sick and depressed copilot or the gleeful pornographer?
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Totally dumb post, to say nothing of the lack of resemblance, and I hate these "OMG the eyes of a sociopath" post facto diagnoses, but... why is this being alerted? It's a personal attack on California Man?
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The post isn't great, but hardly rises to the level of a hide. I have served on juries for this OP and this is the worst thing I have seen that she has posted and it is not great but not all that bad. I am wondering why all the alerts (most frivolous) against this OP?
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)Last edited Sat Apr 4, 2015, 12:40 PM - Edit history (1)
Had no idea my casual observation (intended with a I might add) could ruffle someone's feathers!
Hoppy
(3,595 posts)No, Martha, this post is not sarcasm.
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)alerts myself.
Hoppy
(3,595 posts)Then I post the same ideas and attribute them to Carlin (rightfully so, I don't make it up.) and not a peep.
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)He had a mic and an auditorium of rapt listeners.
If you don't agree, vote to hide, I say!
ronnie624
(5,764 posts)etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)ronnie624
(5,764 posts)The juror is clearly confused.
etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)I couldn't imagine how someone reading the results of an alert that was 7-0 to leave could see it as anything but a "frivolous alert."
I think we can be pretty sure that the term OP was used as shorthand
ronnie624
(5,764 posts)Oneironaut
(5,535 posts)Did Glenn Beck send that alert?
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)ronnie624
(5,764 posts)Sometimes I wish I could believe in Hell.
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)It's been alerted on, but nobody can make up their mind--no on-site experience or reporting back, so far.
Hung jury!
ronnie624
(5,764 posts)I would have voted to leave your post, had I been a juror.
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)around my originally tongue-in-cheek post of the 'twin' sociopaths, and the fact that it was flagged.
Nothing serious, just fooling around.
And, thanks for the hypothetical 'leave' vote!
Helen Borg
(3,963 posts)cstanleytech
(26,337 posts)imo for saying he was convicted for running the site when thats not what he got convicted for.
foo_bar
(4,193 posts)I thought that was a "white-collar" crime, like "oh you're just doing capitalism wrong (by getting caught)". I mean I'm not shedding tears, but the people actually posting this crap seem to be the ones violating consent/privacy boundaries (well, aside from the blackmail stuff.)
Unfortunately, in most states, the answer is no, it is not illegal to share those photos. Indeed, posting explicit photos of someone is legal in every state but California and New Jersey. This has led to a small but growing industry of websites that specialize in such unauthorized photographs and videos, often for the purposes of allowing an angry or jilted ex to humiliate their former partner for revenge. Often, the content is even tied to the person's full name, social media pages, home address and phone number, and other personally identifying information. Some of these sites even run a form of legal extortion by which one can buy reputation protection services (i.e., pay them a hefty fee and they may take down the photos and videos).
More and more people are falling victim to these acts, and are frustrated to find out that it is not technically illegal. A few states, including Maryland, Wisconsin and New York, are currently looking into outlawing this practice of posting explicit content without the subject's permission, but are facing tough opposition from groups like the American Civil Liberties Union and the Electronic Frontier Foundation. These groups are concerned that such laws, if not narrowly tailored, could run afoul of the First Amendment and have a chilling effect on free speech. Of course, proponents of these new laws counter that sending these types of photos and videos to someone implies only a limited consent, not a license to broadcast the content freely. In an interview with the Florida Times-Union, Mary Anne Franks, a law professor at the University of Miami, equated the problem of limited consent to a credit transaction: "If you give your credit card to a waiter, you aren't giving him permission to buy a yacht. <...>
Current laws in most jurisdictions hold that website operators are not liable for content provided by others (the primary exception being explicit images and videos of children) unless they are exercising editorial control. As a result, so long as the site operator is not actively creating content, editing the photos and videos, or picking and choosing which ones are posted and which are not, the website is in compliance with the laws of most states and cannot be held liable.
http://www.hg.org/article.asp?id=31560
Wow, so it's basically legal outside of CA (/NJ?) ... always a fine line between extortion and business as usual.
IronLionZion
(45,575 posts)to make an example to deter others. That should wipe the smug smile off his face. Dude was mean spirited and twisted with bitterness.
Before you embark on a journey of revenge, dig two graves.
-Confucius
cynzke
(1,254 posts)It probably never occurred to the idiot that he was committing extortion! Youth wasted on the young.
pipoman
(16,038 posts)Hurting innocent peiple....
mikeargo
(675 posts)He got what he deserved.
7962
(11,841 posts)George Beerlover
(23 posts)But what about revenge porn itself? I think it's a disgusting practice, but can we do anything about it that doesn't violate the First Amendment?
yuiyoshida
(41,867 posts)Revenge Porn. Anyone tying to do it will be severely dealt with.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/02/revenge-porn-california-first-conviction_n_6258158.html
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)cstanleytech
(26,337 posts)that two consenting adults made together.
I have my doubts that they can but then again SCOTUS has surprised before with some of its rulings like that corporations are in essence people and that its ok if the rich bribe politicians with money under the guise that its a "campaign" contribution.
Xithras
(16,191 posts)Basically, if a man and woman are dating, and one posts a nude image of the other online with the caption "Look at this hot piece! I'm tapping it!" no laws (other than the laws of common sense and decency) are broken. While that's still offensive, it's not illegal under California law.
If the same person posts the same image with the obvious goal of shaming, attacking, or embarrassing the person in the photos, then they have committed a crime. It's not the actual posting of the photo that is the crime, but the intent and consequences of it. It's the HARASSMENT. The recent case where they guy got the year is a great example. He posted a nude photo of his ex to her employers Facebook page with the intent of getting her fired. The goal of harassing the person in the photo was obvious and plain to everyone.
Or, to put it another way: It's not illegal to stand on a sidewalk. It's not illegal to stand on a sidewalk and look at a house. It IS illegal to stand on the sidewalk and stare at your exes house every day with the goal of intimidating or scaring them. The physical action is the same, but the intent and demeanor make an otherwise legal activity into a crime.
cstanleytech
(26,337 posts)Plus I can see other potential problems such as someone enticing an ex to post a video that they made and then claiming harassment.
eggplant
(3,915 posts)bemildred
(90,061 posts)marble falls
(57,394 posts)Demeter
(85,373 posts)progressoid
(50,000 posts)Turbineguy
(37,381 posts)In America? A guy who goes out of his way to make life hell for people and actually gets punished for it? Republicans and banksters, take notice!
Oneironaut
(5,535 posts)Auggie
(31,210 posts)shebolleth
(38 posts)valerief
(53,235 posts)matter.
Larry Engels
(387 posts)The sentence for this guy is out of proportion to the crime.
cstanleytech
(26,337 posts)gotten a slap on the wrist at worst.
Larry Engels
(387 posts)Money talks and money walks.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)But have a look at the story some time.
Larry Engels
(387 posts)Or didn't you know that? I suggest you do some additional reading about sentencing alternatives. You are naïve.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)...no matter how many crimes he's convicted of?
Larry Engels
(387 posts)His worst crime was extortion, for which he deserved additional prison time.
Next time try thinking before you reply. You seem to think that promoting revenge porn is as bad as murder. If that's your opinion, there's something wrong with your moral compass.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)Did you have a particular length in mind?
Larry Engels
(387 posts)I'd have to look more closely at the details. But I knew someone who got 17 1/2 years for murder, which is standard for the state where I live. Revenge porn plus extortion should get less than that, because it's not as bad a thing to do. More severe crimes should get more severe punishments. That principle needs to be respected, and should not be abandoned for emotional or political reasons.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)...have had to have been to justify something like twenty years?
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)What if there were 100+ murder victims...?
Larry Engels
(387 posts)How much worse? "100 times worse" means nothing to me. Anyway, the worst that you can do to the murderer is execute him or give him life in prison, unless you want to get medieval, which is what some people in this thread might want to do.
markpkessinger
(8,409 posts). . . but he doesn't look like he's laughing much anymore!
Zorra
(27,670 posts)That's what long time prisoners will say to poor Kevin when he cries as he gets off the bus for intake.