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Judi Lynn

(160,654 posts)
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 06:01 AM Apr 2015

California man gets 18 years for US 'revenge porn' site

Source: Agence France-Presse

California man gets 18 years for US 'revenge porn' site
Los Angeles, Apr 4, 2015 (AFP)

A California man who posted thousands of sexually explicit photos of men and women on a "revenge porn" website was jailed for 18 years in what was described as the first case of its kind in US criminal history.

San Diego man Kevin Bollaert, 28, was convicted in February of running a website that hosted more than 10,000 explicit photographs.

California Attorney General Kamala Harris said it marked the first criminal prosecution of a cyber-exploitation website operator in the United States.

Bollaert's website -- ugotposted.com -- was launched in December 2012, enabling photographs to be posted without the subject's permission.


Read more: http://www.deccanherald.com/content/469696/california-man-gets-18-years.html



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California man gets 18 years for US 'revenge porn' site (Original Post) Judi Lynn Apr 2015 OP
At first thought, this seems rather harsh for posting porn. After I read how he charged people... BlueJazz Apr 2015 #1
There's another business that works on this model Man from Pickens Apr 2015 #55
It's not "just" porn dolphinsandtuna Apr 2015 #60
"unwilling people" Yep, that's the truly evil part. Also..I often wonder about these people doing.. BlueJazz Apr 2015 #62
Iagree ^^.. he looks creepy and sadistic to me, too. secondwind Apr 2015 #2
I agree... Helen Borg Apr 2015 #4
Separated at birth? Surya Gayatri Apr 2015 #5
Yikes! Matching sociopaths. Good catch. n/t Judi Lynn Apr 2015 #6
Just jumped out at me, 'cause I've been following the Germanwings disaster so closely. Surya Gayatri Apr 2015 #7
Sorry but... MattSh Apr 2015 #8
Yes, people with narcissistic personality disorders may Surya Gayatri Apr 2015 #11
um, that is psychoanalysis AngryAmish Apr 2015 #18
Yes, from the Freudian school... Surya Gayatri Apr 2015 #21
freud was full of shit. mopinko Apr 2015 #30
I spoke of the Freudian 'school'? Not of the man himself. Surya Gayatri Apr 2015 #31
and it is full of shit. mopinko Apr 2015 #32
My dear mopinko, I don't know what your personal Surya Gayatri Apr 2015 #33
It is still horse shit. n/t ronnie624 Apr 2015 #36
Horse shit it may be, IYHO, but still a respected Surya Gayatri Apr 2015 #39
Yes, FarrenH Apr 2015 #67
In the US, freudian psychoanalysis is almost nonexistent in academic psychology programs. aikoaiko Apr 2015 #68
Maybe art, rather than science PADemD Apr 2015 #24
It's trash, not art and definitely not science wheniwasincongress Apr 2015 #63
Absolutely not like astrology. PADemD Apr 2015 #64
To the girlfriends that dumped those guys IronLionZion Apr 2015 #10
They got out with their lives, at least... Surya Gayatri Apr 2015 #12
Wow, that is eerie! RKP5637 Apr 2015 #27
0-7 to LEAVE IT foo_bar Apr 2015 #28
Hey, foo_bar, thanks for clueing me in. Surya Gayatri Apr 2015 #29
You'd be surprised about some of the stuff that gets flagged here. Hoppy Apr 2015 #35
Come to think of it, I've adjudged some pretty daft Surya Gayatri Apr 2015 #38
Where it gets funny, I have posted sexual stuff and Christian hypocracy stuff and it gets flagged. Hoppy Apr 2015 #41
Oh, don't cha' know? If Carlin said it, it MUST be OK/funny. Surya Gayatri Apr 2015 #44
Juror #7 is very confused. n/t ronnie624 Apr 2015 #40
Not even close to confused etherealtruth Apr 2015 #46
The alert was not against the OP. ronnie624 Apr 2015 #48
Oh , hahahaha .... I thought you were referring to the "frivolous alert comment" etherealtruth Apr 2015 #49
The alert was definitely frivolous. n/t ronnie624 Apr 2015 #54
Posting on an Internet forum as bad as revenge porn? Oneironaut Apr 2015 #45
One IS led to wonder! Surya Gayatri Apr 2015 #47
That's the first picture I've seen of the co-pilot. ronnie624 Apr 2015 #42
The jury's still out on that one, on 'Hell' I mean. Surya Gayatri Apr 2015 #51
I'm not sure what you mean. ronnie624 Apr 2015 #53
I was just making a 'funny' about the kerfuffle Surya Gayatri Apr 2015 #56
He was blackmailing people, basically. Helen Borg Apr 2015 #3
Yup, they convicted him for that and identity theft though the reporter for the article is an idiot cstanleytech Apr 2015 #23
is 18 years a typical sentence for blackmail schemes? foo_bar Apr 2015 #57
Damn, it looks like they threw the book at him IronLionZion Apr 2015 #9
SHEAR STUPIDITY! cynzke Apr 2015 #13
Good...nobody should be able to profit from pipoman Apr 2015 #14
What a creep mikeargo Apr 2015 #15
GOOD! No excuse for this behavior. nt 7962 Apr 2015 #16
Good sentence George Beerlover Apr 2015 #17
California passed a law against yuiyoshida Apr 2015 #20
This law hasn't been tested jberryhill Apr 2015 #26
It will be interesting to see if they can enforce a law against someone posting a video cstanleytech Apr 2015 #65
The California law is about harassment, and not the images themselves, which is why it will stand Xithras Apr 2015 #77
Problem is though you have to prove that intent. cstanleytech Apr 2015 #80
Extortion is illegal. eggplant Apr 2015 #52
+1. nt bemildred Apr 2015 #19
18 years sounds about right. marble falls Apr 2015 #22
80 might have been better Demeter Apr 2015 #25
Good. n/t. progressoid Apr 2015 #34
Amazing! Turbineguy Apr 2015 #37
Good night. Throw away the key. Oneironaut Apr 2015 #43
That's quite an attention-getting sentence. Stop this stuff now. Auggie Apr 2015 #50
Well deserved nt shebolleth Apr 2015 #58
I'm sure he'll get off on appeal. After all, it only affected women, and in the US, women don't valerief Apr 2015 #59
You only get 20 years for murder. Larry Engels Apr 2015 #61
Maybe, maybe not. If he had been a banker or really really rich he would have probably cstanleytech Apr 2015 #66
That's it, isn't it. Larry Engels Apr 2015 #69
For one count of murder, possibly. Orsino Apr 2015 #71
The 6 month sentences didn't have to run consecutively. Larry Engels Apr 2015 #72
Are you advocating for a single six-month sentence... Orsino Apr 2015 #74
False dilemma. Larry Engels Apr 2015 #75
You said the sentence is excessive. How excessive? Orsino Apr 2015 #76
I don't know, exactly. Larry Engels Apr 2015 #78
Uh-huh. How much more egregious (or numerous) would the offenses in this case... Orsino Apr 2015 #79
What if there were 100+ murder victims...? LanternWaste Apr 2015 #81
That's worse than killing just one. Larry Engels Apr 2015 #82
He laughed all the way to the bank . . . markpkessinger Apr 2015 #70
"Aww, if ya didn't want to go to prison, ya shouldn't have hurt all those nice ladies." Zorra Apr 2015 #73
 

BlueJazz

(25,348 posts)
1. At first thought, this seems rather harsh for posting porn. After I read how he charged people...
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 06:23 AM
Apr 2015

....to take down the photographs, he deserves it. What a nasty, ass thing to do.

 

Man from Pickens

(1,713 posts)
55. There's another business that works on this model
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 01:25 PM
Apr 2015

they post peoples' booking photos and charge them to take them offline

same exact business model - reputation destruction for dollars

yet somehow perfectly legal

 

dolphinsandtuna

(231 posts)
60. It's not "just" porn
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 03:15 PM
Apr 2015

It's porn of unwilling people. I'd given him that sentence consecutively for each victim.

 

BlueJazz

(25,348 posts)
62. "unwilling people" Yep, that's the truly evil part. Also..I often wonder about these people doing..
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 03:55 PM
Apr 2015

...this kind of stuff. (especially in the States)
I certainly wouldn't do something like that but wouldn't someone be aware that there are some real nuts in the world that would track you down and put a bullet between your eyes. ??

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
7. Just jumped out at me, 'cause I've been following the Germanwings disaster so closely.
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 07:28 AM
Apr 2015

Identical 'baby mouths'--sign of arrested emotional development.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
11. Yes, people with narcissistic personality disorders may
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 07:44 AM
Apr 2015

be blocked at the 'weaning' stage of development. This can be observed in a 'suckling' morphology around the mouth.

http://scholar.google.fr/scholar?q=weaning+disorders+narcissistic+personality&hl=fr&as_sdt=0&as_vis=1&oi=scholart&sa=X&ei=aM4fVY_cLYvKaOH5gcgP&ved=0CB4QgQMwAA
Cultures as a causative of mental disorder

Birth weight and the risk of depressive disorder in late life

Social psychological correlates of mental illness and mental health.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
21. Yes, from the Freudian school...
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 08:22 AM
Apr 2015

Freud painted with the same brush as L. Ron Hubbard?

Ennnteeereesting! Ennnteeereesting!

mopinko

(70,273 posts)
30. freud was full of shit.
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 10:39 AM
Apr 2015

he was important in his time, but we know a lot more now about mental illness.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
31. I spoke of the Freudian 'school'? Not of the man himself.
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 10:43 AM
Apr 2015

Last edited Sat Apr 4, 2015, 01:04 PM - Edit history (1)

An evolving school of thought has carried on from his 'revolutionary' beginnings.

mopinko

(70,273 posts)
32. and it is full of shit.
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 10:50 AM
Apr 2015

experiences dont cause mental illness so much as triggers it, extreme situation aside.
the sooner the idea of mental illness is replaced by actual brain science, the better. in the meantime, people are very much harmed by this approach, especially children and adolescents.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
33. My dear mopinko, I don't know what your personal
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 10:59 AM
Apr 2015

experience has been with the Freudian School of psychoanalysis and its heirs, or what 'anti-psych' axe you have to grind.

All I can tell you, is that Freudian/Lacanian psychoanalysis is alive and well and being practiced fairly widely in France.

http://changingminds.org/disciplines/psychoanalysis/articles/lacanian_psychoanalysis.htm

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/lacan/

https://www.cla.purdue.edu/english/theory/psychoanalysis/lacanstructure.html

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
39. Horse shit it may be, IYHO, but still a respected
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 12:23 PM
Apr 2015

school of thought with many adherents.

You can actually study it at UNIVERSITY in this country!
OMG!


FarrenH

(768 posts)
67. Yes,
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 06:07 PM
Apr 2015

Last edited Sat Apr 4, 2015, 07:17 PM - Edit history (1)

it is horseshit that you can study at university. And those universities should be embarrassed for passing horseshit off as scholarship.

It is anti-rational, obscurationist, and not evidence based. It's both tragic and dangerous to the human sciences that Lacan's brand of charlatanism is still given a veneer of respectability by institutions of higher learning. I don't just say this based on the judgements of others. I've read Lacan.

But this is worth a read, too

http://www.amazon.com/Fashionable-Nonsense-Postmodern-Intellectuals-Science/dp/0312204078/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1428189438&sr=8-1&keywords=Fashionable+nonsense

aikoaiko

(34,185 posts)
68. In the US, freudian psychoanalysis is almost nonexistent in academic psychology programs.
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 06:47 PM
Apr 2015

A few professional programs continue on the tradition or something similar. There's very little empirical support for it.

I liken it to theological studies where there are plenty of people willing to pay you or hire you for trying to explain something within a nonmaterial ideology.

Plus the French love narratives.

PADemD

(4,482 posts)
24. Maybe art, rather than science
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 09:13 AM
Apr 2015

Attorneys use it to select juries.

Amazing Face Reading: An Illustrated Encyclopedia for Reading Faces, by Mac Fulfer, J.D.

http://www.amazon.com/Amazing-Face-Reading-Illustrated-Encyclopedia/dp/0965593126


Fulfer has given seminars on face reading to major corporations; and, on his web site, there are several videos which explain face reading.

http://www.amazingfacereading.com/

I've read his book, and it seems quite accurate. It might help to explain why some faces appear "creepy" but you don't know why.

wheniwasincongress

(1,307 posts)
63. It's trash, not art and definitely not science
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 04:23 PM
Apr 2015

It's like astrology - vague descriptions that fit anyone to a degree. The shape of your eyes indicates you go after what you want! Everyone goes after what they want! If you're a kid or teen and you buy this, fine. But an adult?! WOOF!

PADemD

(4,482 posts)
64. Absolutely not like astrology.
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 04:50 PM
Apr 2015

Actually, the descriptions are very specific and quite accurate. They are used to select juries. For example, a defense attorney in a civil lawsuit would not want someone who appears to be generous finding against their client and awarding a huge settlement.

Corporations are not run by teenagers and would not spend money to have their employees attend these seminars if it was total BS.

foo_bar

(4,193 posts)
28. 0-7 to LEAVE IT
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 09:59 AM
Apr 2015

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

OTT, one person murdered over 150 people in cold blood. This kind of comparison is dangerous and just as bad as posting revenge porn. Please vote to hide.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sat Apr 4, 2015, 06:53 AM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Revengeporn guy must have sent this alert.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No, this post is not as bad as posting revenge porn.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: This stupid post (they don't even look anything alike) is stupid. But it is not "just as bad as posting revenge porn". Talk about OTT!
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Separated at birth is silly little game we play. Which is worse the sick and depressed copilot or the gleeful pornographer?
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Totally dumb post, to say nothing of the lack of resemblance, and I hate these "OMG the eyes of a sociopath" post facto diagnoses, but... why is this being alerted? It's a personal attack on California Man?
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The post isn't great, but hardly rises to the level of a hide. I have served on juries for this OP and this is the worst thing I have seen that she has posted and it is not great but not all that bad. I am wondering why all the alerts (most frivolous) against this OP?

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
29. Hey, foo_bar, thanks for clueing me in.
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 10:06 AM
Apr 2015

Last edited Sat Apr 4, 2015, 12:40 PM - Edit history (1)

Had no idea my casual observation (intended with a I might add) could ruffle someone's feathers!

 

Hoppy

(3,595 posts)
35. You'd be surprised about some of the stuff that gets flagged here.
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 12:10 PM
Apr 2015








No, Martha, this post is not sarcasm.
 

Hoppy

(3,595 posts)
41. Where it gets funny, I have posted sexual stuff and Christian hypocracy stuff and it gets flagged.
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 12:25 PM
Apr 2015

Then I post the same ideas and attribute them to Carlin (rightfully so, I don't make it up.) and not a peep.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
44. Oh, don't cha' know? If Carlin said it, it MUST be OK/funny.
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 12:36 PM
Apr 2015

He had a mic and an auditorium of rapt listeners.

If you don't agree, vote to hide, I say!

etherealtruth

(22,165 posts)
49. Oh , hahahaha .... I thought you were referring to the "frivolous alert comment"
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 12:52 PM
Apr 2015

I couldn't imagine how someone reading the results of an alert that was 7-0 to leave could see it as anything but a "frivolous alert."

I think we can be pretty sure that the term OP was used as shorthand

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
51. The jury's still out on that one, on 'Hell' I mean.
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 01:11 PM
Apr 2015

It's been alerted on, but nobody can make up their mind--no on-site experience or reporting back, so far.

Hung jury!

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
56. I was just making a 'funny' about the kerfuffle
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 01:29 PM
Apr 2015

around my originally tongue-in-cheek post of the 'twin' sociopaths, and the fact that it was flagged.

Nothing serious, just fooling around.

And, thanks for the hypothetical 'leave' vote!

cstanleytech

(26,337 posts)
23. Yup, they convicted him for that and identity theft though the reporter for the article is an idiot
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 08:59 AM
Apr 2015

imo for saying he was convicted for running the site when thats not what he got convicted for.

foo_bar

(4,193 posts)
57. is 18 years a typical sentence for blackmail schemes?
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 01:49 PM
Apr 2015

I thought that was a "white-collar" crime, like "oh you're just doing capitalism wrong (by getting caught)". I mean I'm not shedding tears, but the people actually posting this crap seem to be the ones violating consent/privacy boundaries (well, aside from the blackmail stuff.)

In this modern digital age, it is often common for romantic partners, particularly those in long distance relationships, to exchange revealing photos of one another. These photos are often intended for the eyes of the receiver only. But, how can you be sure? What happens if you break up or the other person turns out to be less discrete than you had hoped? Is it illegal for someone to share those photos with others?

Unfortunately, in most states, the answer is “no, it is not illegal to share those photos.” Indeed, posting explicit photos of someone is legal in every state but California and New Jersey. This has led to a small but growing industry of websites that specialize in such unauthorized photographs and videos, often for the purposes of allowing an angry or jilted ex to humiliate their former partner for revenge. Often, the content is even tied to the person's full name, social media pages, home address and phone number, and other personally identifying information. Some of these sites even run a form of legal extortion by which one can buy “reputation protection services” (i.e., pay them a hefty fee and they may take down the photos and videos).

More and more people are falling victim to these acts, and are frustrated to find out that it is not technically illegal. A few states, including Maryland, Wisconsin and New York, are currently looking into outlawing this practice of posting explicit content without the subject's permission, but are facing tough opposition from groups like the American Civil Liberties Union and the Electronic Frontier Foundation. These groups are concerned that such laws, if not narrowly tailored, could run afoul of the First Amendment and have a chilling effect on free speech. Of course, proponents of these new laws counter that sending these types of photos and videos to someone implies only a limited consent, not a license to broadcast the content freely. In an interview with the Florida Times-Union, Mary Anne Franks, a law professor at the University of Miami, equated the problem of limited consent to a credit transaction: "If you give your credit card to a waiter, you aren't giving him permission to buy a yacht.” <...>

Current laws in most jurisdictions hold that website operators are not liable for content provided by others (the primary exception being explicit images and videos of children) unless they are exercising editorial control. As a result, so long as the site operator is not actively creating content, editing the photos and videos, or picking and choosing which ones are posted and which are not, the website is in compliance with the laws of most states and cannot be held liable.

http://www.hg.org/article.asp?id=31560

Wow, so it's basically legal outside of CA (/NJ?) ... always a fine line between extortion and business as usual.

IronLionZion

(45,575 posts)
9. Damn, it looks like they threw the book at him
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 07:40 AM
Apr 2015

to make an example to deter others. That should wipe the smug smile off his face. Dude was mean spirited and twisted with bitterness.

Before you embark on a journey of revenge, dig two graves.
-Confucius

cynzke

(1,254 posts)
13. SHEAR STUPIDITY!
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 07:51 AM
Apr 2015

It probably never occurred to the idiot that he was committing extortion! Youth wasted on the young.

 

George Beerlover

(23 posts)
17. Good sentence
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 08:10 AM
Apr 2015

But what about revenge porn itself? I think it's a disgusting practice, but can we do anything about it that doesn't violate the First Amendment?

cstanleytech

(26,337 posts)
65. It will be interesting to see if they can enforce a law against someone posting a video
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 05:26 PM
Apr 2015

that two consenting adults made together.
I have my doubts that they can but then again SCOTUS has surprised before with some of its rulings like that corporations are in essence people and that its ok if the rich bribe politicians with money under the guise that its a "campaign" contribution.

Xithras

(16,191 posts)
77. The California law is about harassment, and not the images themselves, which is why it will stand
Mon Apr 6, 2015, 12:25 PM
Apr 2015

Basically, if a man and woman are dating, and one posts a nude image of the other online with the caption "Look at this hot piece! I'm tapping it!" no laws (other than the laws of common sense and decency) are broken. While that's still offensive, it's not illegal under California law.

If the same person posts the same image with the obvious goal of shaming, attacking, or embarrassing the person in the photos, then they have committed a crime. It's not the actual posting of the photo that is the crime, but the intent and consequences of it. It's the HARASSMENT. The recent case where they guy got the year is a great example. He posted a nude photo of his ex to her employers Facebook page with the intent of getting her fired. The goal of harassing the person in the photo was obvious and plain to everyone.

Or, to put it another way: It's not illegal to stand on a sidewalk. It's not illegal to stand on a sidewalk and look at a house. It IS illegal to stand on the sidewalk and stare at your exes house every day with the goal of intimidating or scaring them. The physical action is the same, but the intent and demeanor make an otherwise legal activity into a crime.

cstanleytech

(26,337 posts)
80. Problem is though you have to prove that intent.
Mon Apr 6, 2015, 01:08 PM
Apr 2015

Plus I can see other potential problems such as someone enticing an ex to post a video that they made and then claiming harassment.

Turbineguy

(37,381 posts)
37. Amazing!
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 12:18 PM
Apr 2015

In America? A guy who goes out of his way to make life hell for people and actually gets punished for it? Republicans and banksters, take notice!

valerief

(53,235 posts)
59. I'm sure he'll get off on appeal. After all, it only affected women, and in the US, women don't
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 02:18 PM
Apr 2015

matter.

cstanleytech

(26,337 posts)
66. Maybe, maybe not. If he had been a banker or really really rich he would have probably
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 05:31 PM
Apr 2015

gotten a slap on the wrist at worst.

 

Larry Engels

(387 posts)
72. The 6 month sentences didn't have to run consecutively.
Mon Apr 6, 2015, 12:11 PM
Apr 2015

Or didn't you know that? I suggest you do some additional reading about sentencing alternatives. You are naïve.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
74. Are you advocating for a single six-month sentence...
Mon Apr 6, 2015, 12:15 PM
Apr 2015

...no matter how many crimes he's convicted of?

 

Larry Engels

(387 posts)
75. False dilemma.
Mon Apr 6, 2015, 12:21 PM
Apr 2015

His worst crime was extortion, for which he deserved additional prison time.

Next time try thinking before you reply. You seem to think that promoting revenge porn is as bad as murder. If that's your opinion, there's something wrong with your moral compass.

 

Larry Engels

(387 posts)
78. I don't know, exactly.
Mon Apr 6, 2015, 12:43 PM
Apr 2015

I'd have to look more closely at the details. But I knew someone who got 17 1/2 years for murder, which is standard for the state where I live. Revenge porn plus extortion should get less than that, because it's not as bad a thing to do. More severe crimes should get more severe punishments. That principle needs to be respected, and should not be abandoned for emotional or political reasons.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
79. Uh-huh. How much more egregious (or numerous) would the offenses in this case...
Mon Apr 6, 2015, 01:00 PM
Apr 2015

...have had to have been to justify something like twenty years?

 

Larry Engels

(387 posts)
82. That's worse than killing just one.
Mon Apr 6, 2015, 08:16 PM
Apr 2015

How much worse? "100 times worse" means nothing to me. Anyway, the worst that you can do to the murderer is execute him or give him life in prison, unless you want to get medieval, which is what some people in this thread might want to do.

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
73. "Aww, if ya didn't want to go to prison, ya shouldn't have hurt all those nice ladies."
Mon Apr 6, 2015, 12:14 PM
Apr 2015

That's what long time prisoners will say to poor Kevin when he cries as he gets off the bus for intake.

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