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Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 12:14 PM Apr 2015

More Serious Charges Confront Latest Demonstrators Inside Us Supreme Court

Source: Associated Press

WASHINGTON — Protesters who demonstrated inside the U.S. Supreme Court are facing the threat of a year in jail and stiff fines, a sign that prosecutors and the justices themselves are losing patience over the courtroom interruptions after the third protest in just over a year.

Five people arrested last week after voicing displeasure with court decisions that removed limits on political campaign contributions now face charges including one that carries a maximum jail term of a year and up to a $100,000 fine — a sharp escalation from the possible penalties sought after two earlier protests.

A leader of the group behind the protests would not rule out future demonstrations, despite what he called an effort to crack down on the courtroom disturbances. "We are not going to be silenced," said Kai Newkirk, whose group 99Rise opposes the influence of big money in elections.

While protests on the sidewalk outside the U.S. Supreme Court are common, until last year demonstrators had rarely broken the decorum of oral arguments inside the courtroom. In February 2014, however, Newkirk was removed from the courtroom after he stood and called on the court to overturn its 2010 Citizens United decision, which freed corporations and labor unions from some limits on campaign spending. It was the first protest to disrupt an argument session in more than seven years.

Read more: http://www.startribune.com/politics/national/298860241.html

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More Serious Charges Confront Latest Demonstrators Inside Us Supreme Court (Original Post) Purveyor Apr 2015 OP
$100K is a little steep. Larry Engels Apr 2015 #1
What? Democracy? How dare they protest? jalan48 Apr 2015 #2
Scalia and Thomas get cranky when their naps are interrupted groundloop Apr 2015 #4
WE, THE PEOPLE are the court of last resort, not the Supremes. (nt) stone space Apr 2015 #3
oops responded to wrong post! George II Apr 2015 #5
Meanwhile.... Liberalagogo Apr 2015 #6
There is a right way and a wrong way to protest, a good way and a bad way to protest... George II Apr 2015 #7
Heh! I've disrupted more than one court proceeding, including my own. stone space Apr 2015 #8
The way these people are doing it? George II Apr 2015 #9
Different ways. All nonviolent, but certainly very vocal and disruptive. (nt) stone space Apr 2015 #10
And we hear the side of authority. "There is a right way and a wrong way to protest..." rhett o rick Apr 2015 #12
Of course I agree with them, and both of them were willing to suffer the consequences of their... George II Apr 2015 #13
I think we will disagree on "the right way". I think you mean via the system. rhett o rick Apr 2015 #14
Jail is the American way. mahannah Apr 2015 #15
I wish jail was the worse thing that will happen. As we've seen with OWS, the police put rhett o rick Apr 2015 #17
What do you suggest is the "right" way? nt LiberalElite Apr 2015 #19
A loud voice... Fiendish Apr 2015 #20
I so agree. Who was "bellowing or screaming" here? nm rhett o rick Apr 2015 #21
No one, so far as I know... Fiendish Apr 2015 #22
Well, we would have much more polite courtrooms . . FairWinds Apr 2015 #11
An environment where the person in charge wears a black robe, is called "your honor", mahannah Apr 2015 #16
They raised close to a million dollars for Memories Pizza, hell we can do that. Far more worth it. YOHABLO Apr 2015 #18
 

Larry Engels

(387 posts)
1. $100K is a little steep.
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 12:18 PM
Apr 2015

There comes a point where the "deterrent" value of a punishment gets out of synch with the gravity of the crime.

George II

(67,782 posts)
7. There is a right way and a wrong way to protest, a good way and a bad way to protest...
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 12:54 PM
Apr 2015

....disrupting a court proceeding, where ever it is, is wrong and bad.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
12. And we hear the side of authority. "There is a right way and a wrong way to protest..."
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 05:31 PM
Apr 2015

Yes the right way is to upset the system you are protesting. It's really the only way to get attention. The wrong way is to stand on a side street with the cops out numbering you 3 to 1.

I bet you don't agree with either Henry David Thoreau or Martin Luther King Jr.

George II

(67,782 posts)
13. Of course I agree with them, and both of them were willing to suffer the consequences of their...
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 05:39 PM
Apr 2015

...civil disobedience.

And if these people want to disrupt a court proceeding to gain attention, they should be willing to go to jail for it, just as Thoreau and King did.

My point is that they would accomplish so much more by protesting the "right" way. Doing what they're doing is indeed getting attention, but not "good" attention in my mind.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
14. I think we will disagree on "the right way". I think you mean via the system.
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 05:50 PM
Apr 2015

Maybe write a harsh email or letter. Maybe call your Congress-person or fill out a petition. I don't discourage those methods, however,
I say "the right way" is the way Thoreau and King did it. Of course you need to be willing to go to jail. We are going to see lots of people in jail before this is over.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
17. I wish jail was the worse thing that will happen. As we've seen with OWS, the police put
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 06:11 PM
Apr 2015

plastic wraps on too tight and left people sit in their own urine and excrement for hours. People were beaten, sprayed in the face with pepper spray, and shot in the head with smoke grenades. One thing that OWS accomplished was to expose the lengths the government will go to put down peaceful protests. Next time it will be worse.

 

Fiendish

(47 posts)
20. A loud voice...
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 08:55 PM
Apr 2015

...can make even the truth sound foolish.

Being obnoxious or belligerent in getting one's point across accomplishes nothing other than making the other side completely stop listening. Acting in such a way allows the other side to dismiss the protest as "childish" or "foolish" or "immature."

The voice of reason doesn't need to be a bellow or a scream, in my opinion.

 

Fiendish

(47 posts)
22. No one, so far as I know...
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 06:59 PM
Apr 2015

I meant that figuratively as regards being obnoxious or rude while protesting.

Also, absolutely love your banner graphic there. Agree.

 

FairWinds

(1,717 posts)
11. Well, we would have much more polite courtrooms . .
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 01:30 PM
Apr 2015

if everyone packed heat - but the rank coward supremes only
want guns in our schools, playgrounds, sports venues, etc. -
NEVER around them.

This court deserves zero respect. Citizens United was a case
of completely made-up law.

And note the clever spin the Associated Press gives this news,
cleverly blaming the victims.

AP are masters of the dark arts of propaganda.

mahannah

(893 posts)
16. An environment where the person in charge wears a black robe, is called "your honor",
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 06:08 PM
Apr 2015

and all must stand.

 

YOHABLO

(7,358 posts)
18. They raised close to a million dollars for Memories Pizza, hell we can do that. Far more worth it.
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 07:53 PM
Apr 2015

Keep on keepin on is what I say. Protest the hell out of them.

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