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Adenoid_Hynkel

(14,093 posts) Tue Apr 7, 2015, 10:57 PM Apr 2015

Valerie Plame calls Judith Miller "pathetic and self-serving" over Iraq column

Source: Mashable

America's most famous former spy and a fallen-star New York Times writer have started a new round of smacktalk over a topic that has 2003 written all over it: Who's to blame for the U.S. invasion of Iraq?

Judy Miller and Valerie Plame Wilson have re-litigated the question of war over the past week in op-ed pages and on Facebook and Twitter. It became personal.

"I took America to war in Iraq. It was all me," Miller wrote in a commentary in the the Wall Street Journal.

In response, Plame derided Miller's articles on Facebook as "cheering from the sidelines" and her attempt at recovering her legacy "pathetic and self-serving."

Read more: http://mashable.com/2015/04/07/iraq-war-debate-origins/

From Plame's Facebook page:

Dear Judy,

No one is crediting you with starting the Iraq war. We know you were not
actually on the team that took us into the biggest, most tragic US foreign
policy debacle ever. You were just cheering from the sidelines. Your
attempt to re-write history is both pathetic and self-serving.

Sincerely,
Valerie Plame

Of course, Disgraced Judy got another job through wingnut welfare - she's now the media ethics watchdog (seriously) for FOX:

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Valerie Plame calls Judith Miller "pathetic and self-serving" over Iraq column (Original Post) Adenoid_Hynkel Apr 2015 OP

There isn't any acceptance of the GOP in admitting the invasion of Iraq has not been anything but Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #1

They think Iraq has been a smashing success YoungDemCA Apr 2015 #7

It has been smashing that's for sure rpannier Apr 2015 #9

The last several weeks they have been trying to rewrite history by blaming everyone else except still_one Apr 2015 #2

PNAC father founding Apr 2015 #10

Project for a New American Century still_one Apr 2015 #14

Miller was paid well by The Wizard Apr 2015 #3

I am happy to see Ms. Miller dragged through the coals.Deservedly. vlakitti Apr 2015 #4

GO AFTER HER, VALERIE Skittles Apr 2015 #5

Excellent from Valerie Plame.. Mahalo Ade Cha Apr 2015 #6

unfair and unbalanced father founding Apr 2015 #8

FOX Is A Criminal Gang billhicks76 Apr 2015 #11

Plame was outed over Iran, not Iraq Recursion Apr 2015 #12

Valerie was outed after her husband Joe Wilson write a column about the lies which was Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #16

"media ethics watchdog"! Astonishing. She's as good as anyone who would work at Fox. n/t Judi Lynn Apr 2015 #13

fox news: where the pathetic go to rot. nt Javaman Apr 2015 #15

Valerie seems to be a beautiful, brave person both on the outside and the inside samsingh Apr 2015 #17

Judy Miller is a media ethics watchdog??!!! Martin Eden Apr 2015 #18

Good for Valerie Plame. Damn, the Neocons never give up. nt Hekate Apr 2015 #19

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)

1. There isn't any acceptance of the GOP in admitting the invasion of Iraq has not been anything but

Reply to Adenoid_Hynkel (Original post)

Tue Apr 7, 2015, 11:06 PM

Apr 2015

total failure. Will it change the fact the invasion was wrong and we can not turn back the clock, put the genies back in the bottles and say it never happened but then maybe we could work to clean up the mess the US has created. Now they want to place the blame on everyone but those guilty.

YoungDemCA

(5,714 posts)

7. They think Iraq has been a smashing success

Reply to Thinkingabout (Reply #1)

Wed Apr 8, 2015, 01:18 AM

Apr 2015

Because "we have to fight them over there so we won't fight them over here". And Freedom. Free-Dumb, indeed.

rpannier

(24,345 posts)

9. It has been smashing that's for sure

Reply to YoungDemCA (Reply #7)

Wed Apr 8, 2015, 01:57 AM

Apr 2015

still_one

(92,454 posts)

2. The last several weeks they have been trying to rewrite history by blaming everyone else except

Reply to Adenoid_Hynkel (Original post)

Tue Apr 7, 2015, 11:10 PM

Apr 2015

themselves for their shoddy reporting, and intentionally pushing us into war

Judy Miller/scooter libby and PNAC

She was the start of the reputable downgrade of the NY Times.

Of course now she is working for Murdock

father founding

(619 posts)

10. PNAC

Reply to still_one (Reply #2)

Wed Apr 8, 2015, 01:57 AM

Apr 2015

People Not Actually Conscious?

still_one

(92,454 posts)

14. Project for a New American Century

Reply to father founding (Reply #10)

Wed Apr 8, 2015, 07:38 AM

Apr 2015

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Project_for_the_New_American_Century

The Wizard

(12,552 posts)

3. Miller was paid well by

Reply to Adenoid_Hynkel (Original post)

Tue Apr 7, 2015, 11:21 PM

Apr 2015

the Bush cartel to use the Times to promote the cartel's war for profit.

vlakitti

(401 posts)

4. I am happy to see Ms. Miller dragged through the coals.Deservedly.

Reply to Adenoid_Hynkel (Original post)

Wed Apr 8, 2015, 12:59 AM

Apr 2015

She absolutely had to know at the time the whole congeries of sources she used were a fraud. Everyone in this country with half a brain knew it and a number of massive antiwar demonstrations took place before Bush started his invasion of Iraq. They were just basically informed.

If I, out here on the Pacific Coast, and million of others scattered throughout this country, knew the whole thing was a frame-up and a fraud from beginning to end, the New York Times editors should have had something of a clue as to what was happening. They knew a lot better and they opted to blind themselves.

Ms. Judith Miller has been humiliated for her behavior, perfectly correctly, and the Time's brand is pretty permanently scarred. They pandered to Bush and they guessed wrong.

Skittles

(153,226 posts)

5. GO AFTER HER, VALERIE

Reply to Adenoid_Hynkel (Original post)

Wed Apr 8, 2015, 01:12 AM

Apr 2015

THAT LYING PIECE OF SHIT NEEDS TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE

Cha

(297,818 posts)

6. Excellent from Valerie Plame.. Mahalo Ade

Reply to Adenoid_Hynkel (Original post)

Wed Apr 8, 2015, 01:14 AM

Apr 2015

father founding

(619 posts)

8. unfair and unbalanced

Reply to Adenoid_Hynkel (Original post)

Wed Apr 8, 2015, 01:53 AM

Apr 2015

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)

11. FOX Is A Criminal Gang

Reply to Adenoid_Hynkel (Original post)

Wed Apr 8, 2015, 03:18 AM

Apr 2015

And our media in general was bought and paid for. That's pathetic.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)

12. Plame was outed over Iran, not Iraq

Reply to Adenoid_Hynkel (Original post)

Wed Apr 8, 2015, 04:12 AM

Apr 2015

That's the bit of this that keeps getting swept under the rug, IMO. Plame was outed because of her work to monitor Iran's WMD programs.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)

16. Valerie was outed after her husband Joe Wilson write a column about the lies which was

Reply to Recursion (Reply #12)

Wed Apr 8, 2015, 09:40 AM

Apr 2015

Told about going to war with Iraq. It turns out Wilson told the truth.

Judi Lynn

(160,649 posts)

13. "media ethics watchdog"! Astonishing. She's as good as anyone who would work at Fox. n/t

Reply to Adenoid_Hynkel (Original post)

Wed Apr 8, 2015, 06:15 AM

Apr 2015

Javaman

(62,534 posts)

15. fox news: where the pathetic go to rot. nt

Reply to Adenoid_Hynkel (Original post)

Wed Apr 8, 2015, 08:33 AM

Apr 2015

samsingh

(17,602 posts)

17. Valerie seems to be a beautiful, brave person both on the outside and the inside

Reply to Adenoid_Hynkel (Original post)

Wed Apr 8, 2015, 10:40 AM

Apr 2015

Martin Eden

(12,880 posts)

18. Judy Miller is a media ethics watchdog??!!!

Reply to Adenoid_Hynkel (Original post)

Wed Apr 8, 2015, 01:42 PM

Apr 2015

That would be like appointing climate denier Jim Inhofe chairman of the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee!!!

Yes, I know we're talking about Faux News and the Republican Party, but it's still bizarro world shit.

Hekate

(90,867 posts)

19. Good for Valerie Plame. Damn, the Neocons never give up. nt

Reply to Adenoid_Hynkel (Original post)

Wed Apr 8, 2015, 10:06 PM

Apr 2015

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