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Bacchus4.0

(6,837 posts)
Thu Apr 9, 2015, 10:34 AM Apr 2015

As Obama heads to Latin America, Only Argentina Views the US Negatively

Source: the Week

President Obama landed in Jamaica late Wednesday, his first stop en route to a Summit of the Americas in Panama City. America is pretty popular in the region, especially among the young, wealthy, and more educated Latin Americans, according to a 2014 Pew Research Center survey:


In all, a median 65 percent of Latin Americans surveyed had a favorable opinion of the U.S., ranging from 80 percent of Salvadorans to 36 percent of Argentinians. In fact, of the nine countries surveyed in Central and South America, only Argentina had a net negative view of the U.S. — and even the poor 36 percent number is a big improvement from Pew's 2007 survey, which found 16 percent favorable views in Argentina. The 2014 poll was conducted before Obama's diplomatic thaw with Cuba, a move viewed favorably throughout Latin America.


Read more: http://theweek.com/speedreads/548788/obama-heads-latin-america-only-argentina-views-negatively



the countries surveyed with favorability rating included are:

El Salvador 80
Chile 72
Nicaragua 71
Peru 65
Brazil 65
Colombia 64
Mexico 63
Venezuela 62
Argentina 36
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As Obama heads to Latin America, Only Argentina Views the US Negatively (Original Post) Bacchus4.0 Apr 2015 OP
Argentina is likely due to the bond litigation. Periodically I'll see people geek tragedy Apr 2015 #1
According to a 2014 poll? zeemike Apr 2015 #2
The trip to Panama is today and the poll is the context Bacchus4.0 Apr 2015 #3
I don't get upset about things like that. zeemike Apr 2015 #7
Oh ok. Maybe another survey is in order. nt Bacchus4.0 Apr 2015 #11
I note they left Panama off the list AgingAmerican Apr 2015 #8
they were not included in the survey so really can't say nt Bacchus4.0 Apr 2015 #10
What parts of Panama City did you visit? How did you know it was because you were from the US? geek tragedy Apr 2015 #12
Mostly around Avenida centro AgingAmerican Apr 2015 #23
That old guy may have been the only Noriega fan left in Panama. geek tragedy Apr 2015 #25
I'm in Panama once or twice a year and my experiences dovetail with yours. stevenleser Apr 2015 #34
Argentinians are better educated than other Latin Americans. Larry Engels Apr 2015 #4
first paragraph states that better educated Latin Americans tend to have a more favorable opinion nt Bacchus4.0 Apr 2015 #5
Well, there's a class factor here too. Larry Engels Apr 2015 #6
It simply states that younger, better educated, and wealthier latin americans tend to have Bacchus4.0 Apr 2015 #9
Having a good American president probably helps. Comrade Grumpy Apr 2015 #13
They might be more wary, if they were better informed. ronnie624 Apr 2015 #14
It would be interesting to have a poll on DU regarding favorability of the US nt Bacchus4.0 Apr 2015 #15
There are a lot of American exceptionalists on DU. Throd Apr 2015 #16
Attempted character assassination. ronnie624 Apr 2015 #19
Looks like we can put you down for "unfavorable" n/t Bacchus4.0 Apr 2015 #20
Not unfavorable of the US, ronnie624 Apr 2015 #21
+1000 LiberalLovinLug Apr 2015 #26
And that criticism of our government's polices when we find them questionable, ronnie624 Apr 2015 #31
There are zero DUers that are as you describe. Even the most patriotic DUers are not stevenleser Apr 2015 #36
If it was anybody else I may take this response seriously LiberalLovinLug Apr 2015 #37
You didn't respond to my points. You made up stuff to attack. And you talk about being serious? stevenleser Apr 2015 #38
aaaaaaaaaaaand cue the rolf smiley LiberalLovinLug Apr 2015 #39
Its Ok. You can hold those views. It would be hard to capture in a favorability poll though Bacchus4.0 Apr 2015 #29
I wasn't referring to you specifically. Throd Apr 2015 #24
Yes. I call them negative nationalists as per Orwell's description of similar folks stevenleser Apr 2015 #35
Noam Chomsky would agree. Nt hughee99 Apr 2015 #43
Your attempt to characterize me as anti-American, is laughable. ronnie624 Apr 2015 #17
I reiterate that it would be interesting to see a favorability poll of the US on DU Bacchus4.0 Apr 2015 #18
A blind poll would be interesting, too. Comrade Grumpy Apr 2015 #27
We would probably find what we do when people are questioned about domestic polices: ronnie624 Apr 2015 #32
Stupid fucking foreigners. NuclearDem Apr 2015 #40
The average working-class Latin American, ronnie624 Apr 2015 #41
It's fucking hilarious NuclearDem Apr 2015 #42
Bolivia NeoConsSuck Apr 2015 #22
in 2013 anyways, Bolivia was quite positive towards the US geek tragedy Apr 2015 #28
Not all of Latin American countries were represented in the 2014 poll, only 9 n/t Bacchus4.0 Apr 2015 #30
There were several ringer countries for the US they didn't include- geek tragedy Apr 2015 #33
 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
1. Argentina is likely due to the bond litigation. Periodically I'll see people
Thu Apr 9, 2015, 10:57 AM
Apr 2015

talking about how everyone hates the US, and it's like "have you actually traveled abroad?"

These are not conservative, rightwing countries they sampled either.

Bacchus4.0

(6,837 posts)
3. The trip to Panama is today and the poll is the context
Thu Apr 9, 2015, 11:03 AM
Apr 2015

Are you upset at the favorability ratings indicated?

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
7. I don't get upset about things like that.
Thu Apr 9, 2015, 11:10 AM
Apr 2015

But a poll taken last year has nothing to do with how people feel today.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
8. I note they left Panama off the list
Thu Apr 9, 2015, 11:12 AM
Apr 2015

When we were there, we were not received well as Americans in many parts of Panama city. Apparently they are still not happy about Poppy Bush bombing the the Panama city slums and killing 500 civilians.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
12. What parts of Panama City did you visit? How did you know it was because you were from the US?
Thu Apr 9, 2015, 11:27 AM
Apr 2015

Panama is generally very pro-USA, and has been for some time.

That was certainly our experience, no one mentioned how they missed Noriega.

The Nicaraguans have a lot more reason to resent the US (we didn't build their infrastructure or lay the foundation for their economy).

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
23. Mostly around Avenida centro
Thu Apr 9, 2015, 01:39 PM
Apr 2015

...where the street market goes into slum neighborhoods towards El Chorrillo. We talked to an old man there with a little table set up as sort of a shrine to Noriega. He was actually fairly cordial towards us, but man did he not like George Bush. Apparently Noriega is still considered a hero in that particular neighborhood. In Chinatown they just looked at us like we were nuts. I don't think they have seen many, if any, caucasian gringo's on that particular street before. The only hostile reaction we got outside of slum areas was from a worker in a Subway restaurant in downtown PC. We drove up the Pan American highway to the northern part of the country, and nobody seemed to care where we were from. Only in Panama City did we get a reaction.

We got no hostile reactions whatsoever in Nicaragua. It is probably the safest third world country we have ever been to. It was also the most extremely poor of all the countries we have been to, outside of Haiti.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
25. That old guy may have been the only Noriega fan left in Panama.
Thu Apr 9, 2015, 01:52 PM
Apr 2015

We certainly didn't see any in Chiriquí. Then again the violence didn't occur out there.

PC's slums are not for the faint of heart.

How was the Chinese food there?

PC is the most Americanized area other than Boquete. There's probably some class/gentrification resentment mixed in there.

Panama's new presidente seems to be a good one, unlike Martinelli.

Agree on Nica, very friendly place though the poverty definitely shows--strongest sense of community we've seen in Central America.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
34. I'm in Panama once or twice a year and my experiences dovetail with yours.
Thu Apr 9, 2015, 02:37 PM
Apr 2015

The other poster may have been right 10-15 years ago, but that sentiment is long gone.

 

Larry Engels

(387 posts)
6. Well, there's a class factor here too.
Thu Apr 9, 2015, 11:10 AM
Apr 2015

Working class Argentinians are better educated than working class Mexicans, etc.

Bacchus4.0

(6,837 posts)
9. It simply states that younger, better educated, and wealthier latin americans tend to have
Thu Apr 9, 2015, 11:14 AM
Apr 2015

a more favorable view of the US. Argentina would seem to be an exception to that trend.

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
13. Having a good American president probably helps.
Thu Apr 9, 2015, 12:02 PM
Apr 2015

Obama is just a nice, thoughtful, reasonable guy, even if the US is still the US.

ronnie624

(5,764 posts)
14. They might be more wary, if they were better informed.
Thu Apr 9, 2015, 12:11 PM
Apr 2015

If they knew, for instance, that the Pentagon budget request for Latin America included statements on the 'need' for complete political, economic and military dominance of all of their countries, they might see things differently.

Throd

(7,208 posts)
16. There are a lot of American exceptionalists on DU.
Thu Apr 9, 2015, 12:24 PM
Apr 2015

As in, all human misery can be attributed to the USA and its policies.

ronnie624

(5,764 posts)
19. Attempted character assassination.
Thu Apr 9, 2015, 12:57 PM
Apr 2015

If the US government is violating a half-dozen or so multilateral treaties that guarantee all countries their political and economic sovereignty, it is in violation of international law, plain and simple. Anyone should be able to understand this. Other countries do not violate our sovereignty.

ronnie624

(5,764 posts)
21. Not unfavorable of the US,
Thu Apr 9, 2015, 01:06 PM
Apr 2015

only its policies that lead it to commit egregious crimes against other people in the world, like covert wars for resource dominance and attacks against other countries that result in mass murder. I could never regard those things favorably, even if it is my own government committing them. 'My country, right or wrong', is not something I can get behind.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,178 posts)
26. +1000
Thu Apr 9, 2015, 02:04 PM
Apr 2015

Its disturbing that so many DUers live in this Hollywood Western movie where the USA always wears the white hat. That it only acts as a benevolent father like Matt Dillon of Gunsmoke.

ronnie624

(5,764 posts)
31. And that criticism of our government's polices when we find them questionable,
Thu Apr 9, 2015, 02:14 PM
Apr 2015

as we were tasked to do by the founders of our country, is 'anti-American'.

Just crude propaganda.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
36. There are zero DUers that are as you describe. Even the most patriotic DUers are not
Thu Apr 9, 2015, 02:40 PM
Apr 2015

oblivious to mistakes the US has made.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,178 posts)
37. If it was anybody else I may take this response seriously
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 04:45 PM
Apr 2015

lol

Its no surprise you emphasize the term "has made"....as in past tense. They couldn't possibly be meddling in Venezuela as we speak. They used to try and assassinate populist leftist leaders, they used to have an incestuous relationship with giant corps like the United Fruit Company and now there are no American based multinationals that have any influence in Washington to make them fight covert dirty wars. They used to use the American MSM to bad mouth any leader that wouldn't play ball.

Now, if some government wants to nationalize some oil company they'll just sit back and say whatever. Sure thing Steve.

It must be nice to live in your 50's TV show.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,178 posts)
39. aaaaaaaaaaaand cue the rolf smiley
Sun Apr 12, 2015, 01:42 PM
Apr 2015

so predictable.

on your point...This OP was concerning Venezuela, which is where I was focusing my comment. So its funny that you laugh and laugh at the notion that anyone would doubt US meddling and yet at the same time you yourself still can't bring yourself to admit the US with the CIA and moneyed interests, multinationals plus the native 1% establishment who rose during the right wing - US friendly pre-Chavez times...were and are actively trying to destabilize and foment discontent if not outright assassination attempts and successes.

You laugh and laugh at the notion that no one disagrees with this, while at the same time, from reading your previous posts on this topic, you show nothing but disdain for anyone that does agree with it. Very confusing. I guess your brain just triggers a massive giggling fit when you get wires crossed.

Bacchus4.0

(6,837 posts)
29. Its Ok. You can hold those views. It would be hard to capture in a favorability poll though
Thu Apr 9, 2015, 02:12 PM
Apr 2015

it would still be interesting compare data from a poll here to those expressed in the LA polls.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
35. Yes. I call them negative nationalists as per Orwell's description of similar folks
Thu Apr 9, 2015, 02:39 PM
Apr 2015

Those folks believe any negative attack on the US no matter how ridiculous

ronnie624

(5,764 posts)
17. Your attempt to characterize me as anti-American, is laughable.
Thu Apr 9, 2015, 12:38 PM
Apr 2015

My concern is for policies and laws. Working class people, throughout the world, is where my loyalties lie.

Bacchus4.0

(6,837 posts)
18. I reiterate that it would be interesting to see a favorability poll of the US on DU
Thu Apr 9, 2015, 12:51 PM
Apr 2015

for comparison to the Latin American countries' poll.

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
27. A blind poll would be interesting, too.
Thu Apr 9, 2015, 02:04 PM
Apr 2015

One in which the country is not identified, only its actions and policies.

ronnie624

(5,764 posts)
32. We would probably find what we do when people are questioned about domestic polices:
Thu Apr 9, 2015, 02:22 PM
Apr 2015

that they lean much further to the left, than conventional wisdom says they do, when the questions are devoid of ideology.

ronnie624

(5,764 posts)
41. The average working-class Latin American,
Sun Apr 12, 2015, 02:01 PM
Apr 2015

is probably about as well informed as the average US American.

Your post is an amusing failure of logic.

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
42. It's fucking hilarious
Sun Apr 12, 2015, 02:06 PM
Apr 2015

how when people in other countries do or say things favorable to the US, they're being played by the MIC/PNAC, influenced by the CIA, or just don't know shit.

However, when people in other countries all of a sudden take an anti-US stance, they've "awakened."

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
33. There were several ringer countries for the US they didn't include-
Thu Apr 9, 2015, 02:25 PM
Apr 2015

Panama, Belize, Costa Rica come to mind.

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