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itsrobert

(14,157 posts)
Thu Apr 9, 2015, 08:31 PM Apr 2015

Sheriff Orders Immediate Internal Investigation Into Arrest Seen on "Disturbing" Video

Source: KNBC Los Angeles (NBC News)

San Bernardino County Sheriff's deputies appeared to use a Taser to stun a man and then beat him after he allegedly led police on a pursuit involving a vehicle and stolen horse in San Bernardino County Thursday afternoon.
Aerial footage captured by NewsChopper4 showed the man falling off the horse, and then being stunned with a Taser by a sheriff's deputy. The man then appeared to fall to the ground with his arms outstretched. Two deputies immediately descended on him and began punching him in the head and kneeing him in the groin.
Driver Surrenders After Police Pursuit
The group surrounding the man grew up to 13 sheriff's deputies as several appeared to kick, hit, and punch him dozens of times over a two-minute period. In the two minutes after the man was stunned with a Taser, it appeared deputies kicked him 17 times and punched him 37 times. It appeared deputies used batons four times. Thirteen blows appeared to be to the head. The allegedly stolen horse stood idly nearby.
"The video surrounding this arrest is disturbing and I have ordered an internal investigation be conducted immediately," San Bernardino County Sheriff John McMahon said in a statement.



Read more: http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Man-on-Stolen-Horse-Stunned-by-Sheriffs-Deputies-in-IE-299250951.html

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Sheriff Orders Immediate Internal Investigation Into Arrest Seen on "Disturbing" Video (Original Post) itsrobert Apr 2015 OP
Its very clear DreamSmoker Apr 2015 #1
Shows what the hell you know. Replay the video. Hoppy Apr 2015 #2
Why is anyone surprised by this? WHEN CRABS ROAR Apr 2015 #3
Did someone say they were surprised? Demit Apr 2015 #20
One thing to take solace in is that it appears public pressure is working to some degree. Ed Suspicious Apr 2015 #4
I think when we citizens start using drones to film the police erronis Apr 2015 #7
Oh, they will feel threatened and shoot down the drone. (drone could have a bomb or such nonsense). Elmer S. E. Dump Apr 2015 #29
Wonder if the guy is Hispanic. dixiegrrrrl Apr 2015 #5
Tom and I looked at that video closely nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #14
He is not "hispanic," as if that made any difference. Larry Engels Apr 2015 #33
Yes they do, nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #35
Nonsense. Larry Engels Apr 2015 #37
My point we could not tell from the video nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #40
Well, you can tell from his picture and his name. Larry Engels Apr 2015 #42
I finished my article nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #43
Grotesque blackspade Apr 2015 #6
Cops see themselves as an occupying army, FuzzyRabbit Apr 2015 #10
An army from what country? blackspade Apr 2015 #13
Military is about 1% of the population, but 25% of all police are veterans. They've been trained leveymg Apr 2015 #27
I think you misunderstood my response. blackspade Apr 2015 #30
Ah, now we're getting to the heart of the problem WHEN CRABS ROAR Apr 2015 #47
Not disqualifying, but police applicants w/ combat experience should be more closely screened leveymg Apr 2015 #48
This is not about ill trained cops. This is about sadistic cops who shouldn't be cops still_one Apr 2015 #26
It is about training.... blackspade Apr 2015 #31
No, this is about an unwritten RULE of law enforcement. Larry Engels Apr 2015 #36
This message was self-deleted by its author still_one Apr 2015 #41
Short clip, longer clip... Comment winstars Apr 2015 #8
The guy no doubt was a criminal. But the intensity of the group beat down Fla Dem Apr 2015 #9
I understand anger and the desire for revenge duhneece Apr 2015 #11
Don Lemon just showed the clip on CNN... This should be huge here in SoCal and across the country. winstars Apr 2015 #12
"Investigation"? They SWAT raid houses for anonymous tips, but give them video evidence of police.. Taitertots Apr 2015 #15
The tide is turning denbot Apr 2015 #16
They were behaving like gangbangers aint_no_life_nowhere Apr 2015 #17
Brutal rizlaplus Apr 2015 #18
We used to hang horse thieves. magical thyme Apr 2015 #19
"His life wouldn't be worth shit"? Does that mean you would kill him yourself? Demit Apr 2015 #21
with my bare hands. magical thyme Apr 2015 #22
Well then, you must be grateful for police depts like San Bernardino has. Demit Apr 2015 #23
I would be happy to get my hands dirty magical thyme Apr 2015 #24
"have zero pity or sympathy for the horse thief" Trillo Apr 2015 #28
I read this sentiment yesterday on the ABC site nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #38
Sounds like he already got punished. Trillo Apr 2015 #25
So much for the "few bad apples" argument. Larry Engels Apr 2015 #32
This is unacceptable. SpankMe Apr 2015 #34
"I can't rush to any conclusions" but these thugs that call themselves "deputies" UpInArms Apr 2015 #39
Cops must have some sick code azmom Apr 2015 #44
Interesting to note fingrin Apr 2015 #45
Perfect. tazkcmo Apr 2015 #46

DreamSmoker

(841 posts)
1. Its very clear
Thu Apr 9, 2015, 09:13 PM
Apr 2015

This is not part of Police training in any form.. Especially the part when these Officer have this man under complete control.. Then to keep right on kicking the suspect by the other Officer when the suspect is down and handcuffed..
You would think these officers would know they are being recorded on video.. Maybe they just don't care...

 

Hoppy

(3,595 posts)
2. Shows what the hell you know. Replay the video.
Thu Apr 9, 2015, 09:18 PM
Apr 2015

If you look closely, the fukkin horse was reaching for a weapon under his saddle hitch.
















Bernice. I know you have had a rough day but yes, it is sarcasm.

WHEN CRABS ROAR

(3,813 posts)
3. Why is anyone surprised by this?
Thu Apr 9, 2015, 09:26 PM
Apr 2015

It's been going on for a very long time now.
Way past time to change this behavior.

Ed Suspicious

(8,879 posts)
4. One thing to take solace in is that it appears public pressure is working to some degree.
Thu Apr 9, 2015, 09:34 PM
Apr 2015

It's getting more of these things investigated more quickly and more dirty cops are being held to account to some degree. Keep up the good work everyone who is fed up with corruption in policing.

erronis

(15,383 posts)
7. I think when we citizens start using drones to film the police
Thu Apr 9, 2015, 10:00 PM
Apr 2015

Then things are going to get very interesting.

Within a few years we'll probably be able to tail any law enforcement vehicle/personnel to help make sure they don't get into (cause) trouble.

This will turn the idea of a "surveillance state" totally on its head.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
5. Wonder if the guy is Hispanic.
Thu Apr 9, 2015, 09:40 PM
Apr 2015

Mr. Dixie, who is from Cal. says beating on Hispanics there is as common as the police violence towards blacks here.

Really seems that we are a violent race, made worse by a garb of power.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
14. Tom and I looked at that video closely
Thu Apr 9, 2015, 11:52 PM
Apr 2015

and froze it. It could be hispanic, but the few frames where we could see melanin content tended towards caucasian... that means squat though since I am technically hispanic and I am lighter than that guy.

And your husband is correct. But AA still get "police love." more than Hispanics or whites do.

 

Larry Engels

(387 posts)
33. He is not "hispanic," as if that made any difference.
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 11:36 AM
Apr 2015

Here is his picture:

?w=620&h=349&crop=1

His name is Francis Pusok.

White people get attacked by cops, too, as if you didn't know.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
35. Yes they do,
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 11:41 AM
Apr 2015

but I pointed out that if you look at me, you would never think a thing about race.

Now I got a story to write, not on the beat in itself, I spent a few hours reading the social media reaction to the post at KTLA. It was... i think the worm has turned, and people were overwhelmingly horrified.

 

Larry Engels

(387 posts)
37. Nonsense.
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 11:45 AM
Apr 2015

And alluding to your purported professional activities does not validate the point of your comment.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
40. My point we could not tell from the video
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 12:19 PM
Apr 2015

is that too hard to comprehend? I guess it is.I did not know exactly what race Mr. Pussok was until late last night when NBC told us. You see, some of us do not like to speculate until we facts in. You might like to do that, but I don't. Now serious, I have a bunch of posts to go through... again.

Have an excellent day.

 

Larry Engels

(387 posts)
42. Well, you can tell from his picture and his name.
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 01:18 PM
Apr 2015

Of course, he might be a Spaniard who changed his name to Pusok. So I could be wrong. I guess that's just "speculation," and not fact-based empirical certainty, such as you always have in your "professional" journalistic activities.

Anyway, get back to work. You said you were going to do it a long time ago.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
43. I finished my article
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 01:26 PM
Apr 2015

posted it even, will not bother cross posting here.

When the person I originally answered to asked the question, all we had was a video of a man severely beaten by the cops,

Please proceed governor.

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
6. Grotesque
Thu Apr 9, 2015, 09:54 PM
Apr 2015

Ill trained buffoons with a penchant for inflicting misery on others.
Cops truly are from the bottom of the barrel of humanity

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
27. Military is about 1% of the population, but 25% of all police are veterans. They've been trained
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 09:29 AM
Apr 2015

Last edited Fri Apr 10, 2015, 10:15 AM - Edit history (2)

to kill the enemy and to shoot fleeing targets. This may explain part of the phenomena we've observed of lethal and excessive violence used against persons who run away from police.

Almost one in three combat veterans are diagnosed with PTSD-related illnesses.http://www.policeone.com/police-jobs-and-careers/articles/6222919-PTSD-and-police-Hiring-and-retaining-war-veterans-in-our-ranks/

After they are hired by police departments, these traumatized individuals then get retrained according to another set of rules to kill only if they think lives are in danger. Under stress, officers may revert to old training or act out cognitive dissonance by beating and torturing the people they arrest. Police culture also protects those who use excessive force.

Police recruits, particularly ex-combat soldiers, need to be very carefully screened. The combat arms military is probably not the best place to recruit police officers.



http://policelink.monster.com/benefits/articles/11336-ten-steps-to-joining-the-force-for-military-service-members
PoliceLink and Military.com

As the competition for coveted law enforcement positions increases throughout the country, police and federal recruiters have the luxury of picking and choosing the absolute best and brightest individuals. More often than not, police chiefs, sheriffs, and recruiters are turning to military veterans to fill these positions as they staff the next wave of warriors in the war on crime.


And, then there's this from the USDOJ website - police departments accepting federal funds are REQUIRED to hire ex-military on a priority basis: http://cops.usdoj.gov/html/dispatch/06-2012/vets-to-cops.asp

Vets to Cops: Bridging the gap between law enforcement and military veterans

close up image of soldier shoulder in fatigues and american flag patchOur military service members represent only 1 percent of our population, but they shoulder the responsibility of protecting our entire nation. When they return from their service in foreign lands, many need a new direction. The COPS Office is committed to supporting military veterans as they seek to transition into careers as law enforcement officers.

The 2012 COPS Hiring Program will make available $111 million directly to law enforcement agencies to hire, retain, and/or rehire career law enforcement officers in an effort to create and preserve jobs and increase their community policing capacity and crime prevention efforts. This year, any applicant requesting new hire positions will be required to hire a new officer who is a post-9/11 military veteran.


As the Vets-to-Cops program suggests, policing is essentially a jobs program for veterans. That approach needs reexamination.

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
30. I think you misunderstood my response.
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 11:15 AM
Apr 2015

I was being tongue in cheek about what 'army' they would be from if they were occupying the US.

That said, thanks for the information. It's chilling.

WHEN CRABS ROAR

(3,813 posts)
47. Ah, now we're getting to the heart of the problem
Sat Apr 11, 2015, 06:00 PM
Apr 2015

Law enforcement is recruiting personnel that has been trained to have a predisposition to view the populace as the enemy and now, they have to be retrained to be more civil.
Almost an impossible task.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
48. Not disqualifying, but police applicants w/ combat experience should be more closely screened
Sat Apr 11, 2015, 06:23 PM
Apr 2015

for PTSD and related illnesses and receive supplemental training and evaluation. Just as one would hope anyone who has experienced a traumatizing experience should.

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
31. It is about training....
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 11:18 AM
Apr 2015

And also about sadistic cops. It is not a zero sum situation.

Our police are in a moment of extreme crisis and unfortunately people of color and the odd white person have to be the canary for the public to register that there is a problem.

Response to Larry Engels (Reply #36)

winstars

(4,220 posts)
8. Short clip, longer clip... Comment
Thu Apr 9, 2015, 10:02 PM
Apr 2015




http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Man-on-Stolen-Horse-Stunned-by-Sheriffs-Deputies-in-IE-299250951.html



All should be fired/arrested...

In the six minute NBCLA clip:
Check the telescoping metal black jack thingy being tossed from the long white sleeved guy with the vest over to the guy with the dark shirt to catch at 2:57. Its shiny in the sun.
He gets it back from the dark shirt guy at 3:59
He retracts it by pushing it into the ground at 4:05

I know that weapon. Not sure if cops are allowed to have them, probably not...

Not to fucking mention that they bashed the guy a million times WITH THE ACTUAL TASER GUNS!!!

At least they didn't drop 'em I guess...

Fla Dem

(23,799 posts)
9. The guy no doubt was a criminal. But the intensity of the group beat down
Thu Apr 9, 2015, 10:43 PM
Apr 2015

made me think of a pack of wolves descending on a wounded animal. Why would any of these "law enforcement officers" think this was civilized behavior?

duhneece

(4,118 posts)
11. I understand anger and the desire for revenge
Thu Apr 9, 2015, 11:02 PM
Apr 2015

Not acceptable in any law enforcement to act out rage and revenge. It's just not...ever.
After I watched for a while, I couldn't watch anymore...these out of control bullies, tearing into this man. Disgusting.
BUT the fact that it is out in the open, recorded (tho' the fact that the men did what they did WHILE they had to know they are being recorded is something else to ponder!)-

winstars

(4,220 posts)
12. Don Lemon just showed the clip on CNN... This should be huge here in SoCal and across the country.
Thu Apr 9, 2015, 11:31 PM
Apr 2015

More asshole cops, WTF!

 

Taitertots

(7,745 posts)
15. "Investigation"? They SWAT raid houses for anonymous tips, but give them video evidence of police..
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 01:41 AM
Apr 2015

criminality and they need to START an "internal investigation". A regular criminal investigation should be started when the police put someone in the hospital.

denbot

(9,901 posts)
16. The tide is turning
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 02:37 AM
Apr 2015

A few years ago a live action car chase terminated here in So. Cal. with the suspect finally surrendering under the glare of a news chopper's lights. The suspect got out of his car, laid spread eagle on the road, and was immediately swarmed and beaten by the pursuing officers.

After it was obvious that the guy was being savaged, the choppers searchlights were cutoff, effectively ending the video feed, and the station's talking head explained to us supposed rubes, that they cut the chopper lights so the officers eye site wouldn't harmed (as opposed to revealing the dumb schmuck getting his ass handed to him).

With the exception of Faux News, the Networks seem less likely to carry water for out of control officers.

aint_no_life_nowhere

(21,925 posts)
17. They were behaving like gangbangers
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 03:16 AM
Apr 2015

trying to prove to each other how tough they are. It's starting to sink in with the American public that a good portion of the apples are bad.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
19. We used to hang horse thieves.
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 06:08 AM
Apr 2015

"During a search on foot, with off-road vehicles and by helicopter, deputies learned the suspect had stolen a horse and rode it on dirt trails through rugged, steep terrain, causing numerous injuries to the horse."

"San Bernardino Superior Court records show Pusok has convictions for resisting arrest, animal cruelty, disturbing the peace, attempted robbery and failure to provide evidence of financial responsibility."

"Three deputies were injured during the search. Two suffered dehydration and a third was injured when kicked by the horse. All three were taken to a hospital for treatment."

If somebody stole or injured my horse his life wouldn't be worth shit.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
22. with my bare hands.
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 06:42 AM
Apr 2015

seriously? no. But I sure as hell would want to, and I would do whatever I could to get justice and reparations.

I have zero pity or compassion for anybody who steals horses or any other animals (unless they're stealing them to rescue them from abuse of course). Hanging is almost too good for them.

Don't forget, too, that somebody clearly was riding that horse when he stole him. I doubt they just hopped off and handed him the reins.

 

Demit

(11,238 posts)
23. Well then, you must be grateful for police depts like San Bernardino has.
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 07:06 AM
Apr 2015

Although beating someone to a pulp isn't likely to get you reparations, it sounds like the police are doing what they can to get you the "justice" you would seek. And this way you don't have to get your own hands dirty!

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
24. I would be happy to get my hands dirty
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 07:20 AM
Apr 2015

but I suck at fighting.

I just hope the horse and legitimate rider are ok.

I don't condone what the cops did, but have zero pity or sympathy for the horse thief.

Trillo

(9,154 posts)
28. "have zero pity or sympathy for the horse thief"
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 09:57 AM
Apr 2015

I just read that in England the death penalty was prescribed for stealing a loaf of bread.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
38. I read this sentiment yesterday on the ABC site
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 11:56 AM
Apr 2015

fortunately, it was the rank minority of posts, and mostly one or two people posting this he deserved it and we used to hang horse thieves.

Here is the problem with this logic. You have already denied the humanity of this person, and he is no boy scout. And what you are condoning is extra judicial punishment, just because of the horse. Would it have ok if instead this happened on the I-15 after he abandoned the vehicle and no horse was involved?

This country is stir crazy. Or at least some folks in this country. This we truly condone what the deputies did, which violates every piece of arrest procedure in California, as taught to deputies in an Academy which runs by POST standards is insane. But at the same time people scream when we torture abroad. Why do you think that happens? They are connected.

Yes three deputies were injured, NONE while effecting the arrest. I would love it if you went and told the family of the perp what you just posted here. To me it has none to do with race. But I know the cops do track this, and this guy was white. At least I am glad that you condone police beating the shit out of people...even if you say you do not. Having zero pity or sympathy speaks volumes.

And I needed to get that off my chest.

I hope, but know better, because we do not live in that country, that at least the officers are who started the beating are fired. They all should... and since one of them was wearing a white shirt and a vest, I suppose that was a detective, so he should be fired too. Won't happen. That's not the country we live in. And cops will continue to do this because people find ways to excuse it. What you are justifying is classic contempt of cop. This is well beyond the wiki entry by the way.

Trillo

(9,154 posts)
25. Sounds like he already got punished.
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 09:19 AM
Apr 2015

I don't believe sentencing guidelines presume the police extract street punishment from criminals. I believe the presumption by legislators is that they are captured with a minimum of force.

What is a beating by 13 government agents equivalent to in jail years?
What is a tasering equivalent to in jail years?

 

Larry Engels

(387 posts)
32. So much for the "few bad apples" argument.
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 11:25 AM
Apr 2015

Every cop who showed up joined in the beating. Did all the bad apples on the San Berdoo force happen to be there that day? Or are all the deputies bad apples?

SpankMe

(2,970 posts)
34. This is unacceptable.
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 11:38 AM
Apr 2015

He was spread-eagle, surrendering, clearly unarmed, had been tased and was completely subdued and probably cuffed by the first three deputies that were on him. But, by 1:48, there were nine deputies on top of the guy - and you could still see an occasional punch and kick.

If you're a Californian, as I am, please write the San Bernardino County Sheriff and the Governor of the state and demand an analysis and re-working of police procedures statewide.

This country is in a crisis of abusive police power. It needs to be stopped.

UpInArms

(51,285 posts)
39. "I can't rush to any conclusions" but these thugs that call themselves "deputies"
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 12:00 PM
Apr 2015

should all be in prison

they are the criminals

azmom

(5,208 posts)
44. Cops must have some sick code
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 01:46 PM
Apr 2015

Where everyone has to take part in the beatings. Maybe the code assures that no one is innocent and thereby can't squeal on the others. It's sickening.

fingrin

(120 posts)
45. Interesting to note
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 02:51 PM
Apr 2015

the only cop first at the scene not to start beating on the suspect was the Black cop.

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