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brooklynite

(94,792 posts)
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 02:10 PM Apr 2015

Nasa's Curiosity rover finds water below surface of Mars

Source: The Guardian

Mars has liquid water just below its surface, according to new measurements by Nasa’s Curiosity rover.

Until now, scientists had thought that conditions on the red planet were too cold and arid for liquid water to exist, although there were known to be deposits of ice.

Prof Andrew Coates, head of planetary science at the Mullard Space, said: “The evidence so far is that any water would be in the form of permafrost. It’s the first time we’ve had evidence of liquid water there now.”

The latest findings suggest that Martian soil is damp with liquid brine, due to the presence of a salt that significantly lowers the freezing point of water. When mixed with calcium perchlorate liquid water can exist down to around -70C, and the salt also soaks up water vapour from the atmosphere.

Read more: http://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/apr/13/nasas-curiosity-rover-finds-water-below-surface-of-mars

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Nasa's Curiosity rover finds water below surface of Mars (Original Post) brooklynite Apr 2015 OP
Very exciting discovery! rainmaker21 Apr 2015 #1
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2015 #2
Saline, saline, over the bounding... riqster Apr 2015 #3
+1 Buzz Clik Apr 2015 #8
Words fail me. TNNurse Apr 2015 #11
Puns are their own reward. Science geek puns, even more so. riqster Apr 2015 #15
Now that is a DUzy! SoapBox Apr 2015 #19
I'll be here all week... riqster Apr 2015 #25
But the article isn't very optomistic about that water supporting life. drm604 Apr 2015 #4
"...it probably died out..." <Huh. Sounds like an accident. Like any race would be stupid enough jtuck004 Apr 2015 #5
I think the belief is that any life that was there was very simple, probably single celled. drm604 Apr 2015 #6
What is the word that applies to a race smart enough not to that burns up the planet anyway? n/t jtuck004 Apr 2015 #9
Republican? Plucketeer Apr 2015 #10
Among others. n/t jtuck004 Apr 2015 #12
"Water on Mars" isn't good enough? demwing Apr 2015 #13
Not to mention the radiation. AtheistCrusader Apr 2015 #22
Well.... liquid water at -70C (-94 F). It's a bit of an aberration, a chemical fluke. Buzz Clik Apr 2015 #7
yes, accidents like that happen all the time in science librechik Apr 2015 #14
What is your point? Buzz Clik Apr 2015 #17
mars needs rust to replace the atmosphere Sunlei Apr 2015 #16
Good, let's move the GOP and fundies there to colonize it LynneSin Apr 2015 #18
Ooooooooo...I love that idea! SoapBox Apr 2015 #21
Oh, good. Now the rich people will have a clean planet to live in, since valerief Apr 2015 #20
'Ice on Mars: Mars has belts of glaciers consisting of frozen water' Baclava Apr 2015 #23
Nestle will be there soon! wheniwasincongress Apr 2015 #24

Response to brooklynite (Original post)

TNNurse

(6,929 posts)
11. Words fail me.
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 03:27 PM
Apr 2015

I know once you thought it you had to share. At least you knew people on here would "appreciate" it.

drm604

(16,230 posts)
4. But the article isn't very optomistic about that water supporting life.
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 03:02 PM
Apr 2015
Liquid water is traditionally considered an essential ingredient for life as we known it, but Mars remains hostile for other reasons, the scientists said. The latest findings are unlikely to change the view that if life ever blossomed on Mars, it probably died out more than a billion years ago.

“There are organisms on Earth, halophiles, that can survive in salty environments, but if it’s also very cold and very dry that’s a problem” said Madsen. “The radiation on Mars nails it – that environment is very hostile.”
 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
5. "...it probably died out..." <Huh. Sounds like an accident. Like any race would be stupid enough
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 03:07 PM
Apr 2015

to burn up their own planet.

drm604

(16,230 posts)
6. I think the belief is that any life that was there was very simple, probably single celled.
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 03:13 PM
Apr 2015

It's possible that such simple life could over time make their own planet uninhabitable, but "stupid" isn't really a word that applies to such simple life.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
9. What is the word that applies to a race smart enough not to that burns up the planet anyway? n/t
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 03:17 PM
Apr 2015

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
22. Not to mention the radiation.
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 04:50 PM
Apr 2015

Mars appears to lack our magnetosphere, so, little shelter from solar winds. It may have had a liquid iron core once upon a time, but that would have cooled/solidified a couple billion years ago.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
17. What is your point?
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 04:14 PM
Apr 2015

You seem to be attempting some sort of snark, but I'm not getting your drift.

Please explain why my comment is so deserving of whatever it is you're dishing out.

LynneSin

(95,337 posts)
18. Good, let's move the GOP and fundies there to colonize it
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 04:16 PM
Apr 2015

They can run the planet and abuse it anyway they like.

Leave the rest of us alone.

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
21. Ooooooooo...I love that idea!
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 04:49 PM
Apr 2015

And let's send along a cookbook, since they are so fond of eating their own.

 

Baclava

(12,047 posts)
23. 'Ice on Mars: Mars has belts of glaciers consisting of frozen water'
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 05:09 PM
Apr 2015

Mars distinct polar ice caps, but Mars also has belts of glaciers at its central latitudes -- between the blue lines, in both the southern and northern hemispheres. A thick layer of dust covers the glaciers, so they appear as the surface of the ground, but radar measurements show that there are glaciers composed of frozen water underneath the dust



"We have looked at radar measurements spanning ten years back in time to see how thick the ice is and how it behaves. A glacier is after all a big chunk of ice and it flows and gets a form that tells us something about how soft it is. We then compared this with how glaciers on Earth behave and from that we have been able to make models for the ice flow," explains Nanna Bjørnholt Karlsson, a postdoc at the Centre for Ice and Climate at the Niels Bohr Institute at the University of Copenhagen.

"We have calculated that the ice in the glaciers is equivalent to over 150 billion cubic meters of ice -- that much ice could cover the entire surface of Mars with 1.1 meters of ice. The ice at the mid-latitudes is therefore an important part of Mars' water reservoir," explains Nanna Bjørnholt Karlss

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/04/150408102701.htm

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