...the same general group of political actors.

Always the same people benefitting.

And the Clintons are the Bushes lackeys so don't expect help from them.

We all know that Bush and co-horts lied leading us to war. But this is DIRECT EVIDENCE of it. The kind of evidence that you find in a criminal trial.

He prevented any action being taken against Bush/Cheney when they were obvious tratiors? Or is it only the Clinton's that are held accountable for their actual actions and choices?

But he was new on the job, somewhat unexpected even. He already knew he'd be in for a rough sled with the GOP's oath to destroy his Presidency before he even started. So IMO he just caved into "moving forward". He didn't want the grief. And he may have been correct. He may very well have only been a one term President and be forever smeared by the right wing media machine as an anti-American shit disturber that sided with the terrorists to make the USA look like the bad guys. That would be his only legacy.

That said, I'd have had 10x the respect for him if he had those kinds of principles and was turfed after 4 years...and Bush and Cheney were indited for their crimes. And also the Saudi-Bush connection was investigated thoroughly.

had BHO pursued 9/11-Bush/Cheney/et. al to the max once elected he would have had a very short tenure as POTUS before something tragic occurred. If you don't have relatives/friends who are country folk and living in the real 'Merica I'm not sure you understand the amazing level of vitriol they have for President Obama.

Obama promised he would reinvestigate 911 and publicly addresses the families rep, Beverly Eckhart. He met with her and then her plane went down days later from Buffalo. Who gives a crap about the ninnies that complain about tin hats...they are fools.

Obama isn't named as a Bush honorary family member either so, no, he isn't Bush's lackey in the sense that the Clintons are.

Sex charges means it's possible to dismiss any truth they're telling.

You GET it!!!

Interesting profile!

The BFEE, including Cheney, are alive and well and I really worry about him promoting the truth. Yes, the Saudi's were involved and I strongly believe so were the Bushes and that's why this is being so strongly covered up. Martha Graham died a suspicious death for her sins of trying to get to the truth about the BFEE and their Saudi cronies, would so hate to see Graham join her. He's a very good honest man and it kills me to think that Rubio now has his job. The intelligence level has been greatly diminished in the Senate because of that.

Spoke about the Iraq war budget and how the War Shrub administration was cooking the books. Won't see him no more.

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From the article--

If they released the 28 pages with names and sensitive NatSec. redacted to disprove the assertions of loons like Graham, the very same people tomorrow would be demanding non-redacted pages claiming that they can't disprove anything without names and all the details, even at a cost to national security.

MIHOPs and believers in a Saudi-formalist conspiracy (that is, people who believe in a conspiracy involving elements of the Saudi government linked to the Bushes) are the birthers of the left and should be treated and marginalized as such.

If it were publicly-available in any legal context, it would have been released by now.

Also, you can't prove a negative. But if you're asking...yes, I know factually that there was no formal involvement of the Saudi government and the Bushes. I know there is no credible evidence of a conspiracy

Also, Elvis isn't alive, Tupac ain't alive, Kurt Cobain ain't alive, the Moon landing happened, Lee Harvey Oswald shot JFK, George Lucas isn't a Timelord, The dress is brown...do you need me to set you as-ease on any other great pending cuckoo-bananas questions of the age?

Your post is the one adding a conspiracy theory.

FWIW most people don't care enough to demand more information anyway. There was little outcry to get the names unredacted in the CIA torture report.

In fact, most people have a short attention span and will forget this almost instantly once it drops off the MSM radar.

IMO these allegations are allowed to surface occasionally in order to prod the Saudis to go along with some desired policy, perhaps to keep the oil price low to pressure the Russians.

IMO these allegations are allowed to surface occasionally in order to prod the Saudis to go along with some desired policy, perhaps to keep the oil price low to pressure the Russians.

am hoping that those on DU with investigative skills and background on this issue will continue to assist in getting as close to the truth as possible.

The fact that the Bush admin along with Cheney et al, did everything to protect these players
is a travesty of injustice. I am willing to say that it is treason.

Bless you all, and DU for making space in this world for such important discussions.

And we're not supposed to see a pattern here??

ask Edward Snowden.

So much of the Government's cover story doesn't make an sense.

*19 of the hijackers were Saudi.

*Every single plane in the US was grounded after the attack......
except for the Saudis, who were allowed to fly around the country picking up who knows who and what, and then allowed to leave the country without inspections, customs, or a personnel list.

This STILL stinks like rotten fish.

Someone or a bunch of people made a lot of money betting airline stock would fall and they never found out who or whom.

of course what's scariest is that that was probably not "planned" by anyone

Remember GWBush bouncing around the country from state to state trying to keep the the enemy in the dark to where he actually was? If his life had really been at risk, he would have headed straight to Colorado NORAD to lead the country or the bunker in Virginia. Yet he bounced around in Air Force one like he was really trying to evade someone. I knew right then that something was wrong... not because of the towers being hit.... because no credible President would have pulled such a stunt facing a real threat.

As far as the Saudis being involved... of course they were. Maybe not the King...but subordinates of some type.

When someone denies that there was a conspiracy with the events of 9-11, I ask them one question...

"Surrounding the Pentagon there are well over 100 high quality security cameras. Why is it that only ONE poor quality video of the aircraft that supposedly hit the Pentagon been released? Adding that not only has only one video been made public, all the businesses along the route of the aircraft, had their videos confiscated also and have not been released. If there was not anything to hide... give me one good reason they wouldn't show the plane clearly being flown into the building. But they won't because the videos wouldn't support the "official" story.

George W Bush left a trail of yellow urine from Florida half way across the United States
looking for a place to hide while (was it Rumsfeld?) was in the Presidential Bunker telling everyone he was in control.

Thank you Bob Graham

Or anything pertaining to the Saudis.

The US government still has secret files from the Civil War, for crying out loud.

The bureaucrats love their "Top Secret" rubber stamps, they hate when someone over-rules those rubber stamps.

Before I possibly get pounced on, I was only 15 during that election and was more interested in the McGuire v. Sosa home run race.

But let's not kid ourselves, Saudi nationals flew those planes. Saudi's more than likely had something to do with it.

I thought the Saudi's conducted an impartial investigation into this and found that they were not involved....?

along with a transcript with Senator Graham and Paul Jay. Chilling.

http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=11116

I was gonna post the same interview in reply here. Essential viewing imho.

Although, I want to send out a sweet little "hello" to those long-time persons left over from the DUngeon who would have piled on by this time with the tired CT commentary.

It was practically a Saudi military action. Somehow, the Taliban gets all of the blame. Too bad for Osama that he didn't have oil.

And when the perps go for the big swing, a bunch of members of the bfee should be at the end of the next rope over

Even today, I don't understand why our government turns a blind eye to the Saudis lopping off heads and denying women rights.

Yay for Senator Bob Graham! Many of us have known about their connection for years. We need to have this information available for all.

Beyond the red herring, The whole report was a hoax and the 28 pages won't be any better.

I mean sure, they might have been involved in the events of 9/11. No reason not to help them by helping myself.
Money trumps peace. As well as justice, liberty, treason, human rights & what little is left of our natural world.

This is only the proverbial tip of an enormous and deadly iceberg.

All of those petrol $ have turned them into one of the most debauched and perfidious dynasties on the planet.

Like a certain man from Arkansas (now living in NY), talking to his buddies and deciding to fire up the jet and lets play a couple of rounds down at Dardanelle. Those are not the "of the people" people.

I have met a lot of "self-made-man" and I really did not like them. But the old money, the son of a son of a son of a very rich family. They are different people. The heirs of the Vanderbilts, Gettys, Rockefellers, Etc seemed to be petty good people. I don't know it if is to make up for the sins of their "fathers" or what.

But the new rich, the ones that made it from stock trades, or selling some books or what ever, they scare me to death. It maybe as one of them told me "If I can be rich any one can". I asked him about the cleaning man (who was about 50 but the mental ability of a 10 year old), he said the "he just hasn't applied himself".

New money people scare me.