Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘banging against the walls’ during ride
Source: Washington Post
BALTIMORE A prisoner sharing a police transport van with Freddie Gray told investigators that he could hear Gray banging against the walls of the vehicle and believed that he was intentionally trying to injure himself, according to a police document obtained by The Washington Post.
The prisoner, who is currently in jail, was separated from Gray by a metal partition and could not see him. His statement is contained in an application for a search warrant, which is sealed by the court. The Post was given the document under the condition that the prisoner not be named because the person who provided it feared for the inmates safety.
The document, written by a Baltimore police investigator, offers the first glimpse of what might have happened inside the van. It is not clear whether any additional evidence backs up the prisoners version, which is just one piece of a much larger probe.
Jason Downs, one of the attorneys for the Gray family, said the family had not been told of the prisoners comments to investigators.
We disagree with any implication that Freddie Gray severed his own spinal cord, Downs said
----this is prime #1 story on Fox News. Mark Fuhrman in on TV nodding in agreement
Read more: http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/prisoner-in-van-said-freddie-gray-was-banging-against-the-walls-during-ride/2015/04/29/56d7da10-eec6-11e4-8666-a1d756d0218e_story.html?hpid=z1
DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)they are attempting to lay it on thick, meanwhile everyone belives the "injuries" the cops got, oh that's right, they did not.
underpants
(182,949 posts)Elijah Cummings is on the street... to boring I guess - cut to helicopter shots of fire and handcuffed guys sitting on a curb.
Literally fanning the flames.
ciaobaby
(1,000 posts)Today I thought I would lose my mind, MSNBC also was running a split screen of footage 2 nights ago. FOX lite anyone ????
geomon666
(7,512 posts)for saying this bullshit?
rpannier
(24,342 posts)They may be looking for someone to make the claim as we speak
underpants
(182,949 posts)Spot on.
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)hedda_foil
(16,375 posts)It's a shame that we haveave gotten to the point of reading between the lines almost automatically.
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)can occur.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)can occur.
Same as it ever was.
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)leftynyc
(26,060 posts)Let's see how this "witness" comes through the system.
MosheFeingold
(3,051 posts)That said, given he couldn't see him, someone getting slammed around a van would sound like someone slamming himself around a van, I would think. Doesn't prove anything one way or the other.
Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)" Batts has said officers repeatedly ignored Grays pleas for medical help and failed to secure him with a safety belt or harness in the back of the transport van."
Gee.
bluestateguy
(44,173 posts)The pro-police news leaks begins the process of blaming the murder victim.
Just watch.
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)uppityperson
(115,681 posts)brooklynite
(94,792 posts)OldRedneck
(1,397 posts)The body of a black man was fished out of a bayou, wrapped in heavy chains.
Observing the body being pulled out of the water, a sheriff's deputy commented: "Ain't that just like a n##### -- steal more chain than he can swim with."
Things never change.
underpants
(182,949 posts)Exactly.
rurallib
(62,465 posts)is suddenly discovered? Sure, I believe it. What's not to believe?
Neurotica
(609 posts)Jayne Miller said that Gray was alone for a good amount of time before the second prisoner was added to the van (didn't hear exact amount of time) and that the second prisoner was only in there for about 5 minutes, and that Gray was already unresponsive at that point.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Neurotica
(609 posts)underpants
(182,949 posts)Neurotica
(609 posts)Unfortunately, the misinformation seems to be what the media is featuring, without caveats.
About to read the Washington Post story to see if they happened to give this new "news" the asterisk it deserved.
phleshdef
(11,936 posts)Neurotica
(609 posts)This is a link to an NBC news article that just mentions the fact that reporter Jayne Miller says this new supposed information doesn't match their reporting. I'm sure more stories will be popping up within the next hour or so.
And I did read the WP article and it lacks fact-checking. I hope that they update and provide more context. Of course, it's great for them for click-bait, so maybe context doesn't matter so much...
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/baltimore-unrest/report-freddie-gray-hurt-himself-police-van-n350831
LibertyLover
(4,788 posts)she's a local reporter with great credentials and experience. We watch her on the local evening news because she's good.
Neurotica
(609 posts)liberal from boston
(856 posts)Lawrence O'Donnell interview w/Jayne Miller: http://www.msnbc.com/the-last-word/watch/what-really-happened-in-the-police-van--436759107717
rpannier
(24,342 posts)I
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)rpannier
(24,342 posts)Hit himself in the spine several times.
Kind of like the handcuffed guy who shot himself
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Jackson was killed by guards, supposedly attempting to escape with a handgun hidden in his afro.
rpannier
(24,342 posts)Interesting
I guess with the hair shorter they have to resort to waistband
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)Don't those folks even think about how stupid they sound with such lame "explanations?" Then again, that is red meat for their ilk. Their ilk being Tea baggers, racists, neocons, and PNACers.
DallasNE
(7,403 posts)When Freddie Gray was taken to the transport van his legs were totally limp as though he was already paralyzed. And the location of the spinal cord injury suggests his upper body may have been compromised as well. If that is the case then there is no way this story can be true. Lastly, a banging of this nature would have caused bruises and I have seen or heard nothing of the kind. Could this prisoner be trading a story for a lighter charge?
This story suggests that Gray committed suicide.
underpants
(182,949 posts)Snapping your own spine - maybe 3 times - in a moving van is a bit muddy in probability.
Alittleliberal
(528 posts)before you could snap your spin unless you were already seriously fucked up.
FarPoint
(12,466 posts)This self inflicted nonsense won't pass the smell test.
Suji to Seoul
(2,035 posts)Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)If indeed he was 'banging' on the 'wall'.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,123 posts)mainstreetonce
(4,178 posts)The prisoner said he " charged"
kath
(10,565 posts)elleng
(131,201 posts)2d passenger/arrestee in van only 5 minutes during Gray's 30? minute ride, and when 2d passenger entered van, other passenger, Gray, was silent.
greyl
(22,990 posts)Been watching WBAL streaming, and looked like she was serious about repeating the evidence and calling out the bullshit.
underpants
(182,949 posts)I flipped on to MSNBC to hear "Thanks Jayne". Silence. Joe didn't know what to say, Mika broke the silence by mentioning all the settlements of the last few years, and crusty old newsman Mike Barnacle just shook his head. He and Joe fumbled over their tongues trying to say something and ended up just agreeing that they had no idea what to say.
onecaliberal
(32,931 posts)Have been banging against the wall when they were driving him around.
Taitertots
(7,745 posts)leftynyc
(26,060 posts)the search warrant is for the uniform of one of the officers. They're looking for Mr. Gray's DNA on it. How that plays into this ridiculous theory that he hurt himself, I have no idea.
ALBliberal
(2,349 posts)Riddled with bullets apparently charged Wilson and made him fear for his life! Now we are to believe Freddie Gray severed his own spinal cord. Ridiculous and very sad that the media gives these false scenarios the time of day even sadder that the gullible American public (and juries) can believe this nonsense.
mountain grammy
(26,658 posts)BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)deutsey
(20,166 posts)for such a long time that it has come to crave it.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)people, you say, a denizen of the 99%?
freshwest
(53,661 posts)6000eliot
(5,643 posts)about what "really happened? The whole narrative is all so depressingly predictable.
herding cats
(19,568 posts)He was handcuffed and had leg shackles on. He was not in any sort of safety restraint, i.e. seat belt. If he wanted to harm himself he cold, possibly bang his head until he had a concussion, but that would also mean he'd have the signs of said repetitive wounds. In the same place, etc. Have any of you, even one of you, ever heard of a person severing their own spine while in handcuffs and leg shackles in a form of self wounding? Ever? I know I've not ever heard of such, and I don't plan on buying this BS now.
Honestly, you'd have to be someone wanting to believe he was a psychotic monster, below any human recognition, to even consider something like this. It's that non feasible.
I find this sickening and beyond an sort of reasonable explanation. If any form of news media even entertains such an excuse then they're not a viable source of information. Period.
FarPoint
(12,466 posts)I can't visualize a set of walls separating passengers....????
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)I was transported in a caged box in the back of a van to MCSO. I couldn't move freely at all, I'm pretty sure I was laying down but it was a few years ago so I can't quite remember but I'm pretty sure I wasn't standing or sitting, it was the most claustaphobic ride I ever been on. There was a woman with me, she was in her boxed cage to where I couldn't see her at all. I don't know if it was the same kind of van because I never been on anything like that I imagined. It wasn't the kind of police van where everybody is sitting down on the back.
What happened was possession of marijuana, I did a not guilty because the stop was very iffy -- no probable cause but was a "terry stop" but to spare the details lawyer accidentally wrote 15 instead of the 5th, I could see he tried to cross out the 1 but it was straight down the line so I didn't notice it off-hand. Got a warrant, was transported in caged box from Mesa police station to Maricopa County Jail with the female inmate to in-processing. Like I said, most claustophobic ride I ever been on. I couldn't see outside well to tell where I was to see if I was arriving there soon or not. Thankfully he was driving pretty normal.
Not sure the name of the type of the van to look for to show pictures or even if it is the same kind of van they put Freddie Gray in but a van like that exists though with somewhat of an extreme.
FarPoint
(12,466 posts)I imagined an open inside type of van with benches to sit on....I never thought of it being a confined space.
gwheezie
(3,580 posts)And trying to get the attention of the police. No one is denying he was begging for medical treatment. God that poor man. What if he was desperately trying to get anyone to help him. This makes me sick.
Optical.Catalyst
(1,355 posts)They will find Mr. Gray was under the influence of some previously unknown (but very powerful) synthetic marijuana.
Gothmog
(145,666 posts)underpants
(182,949 posts)I posted it because I knew it would be THE story of the morning. Fox News was practically stomping on their desks announcing this - the rest of MSM surely to follow.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)intelligent, logical, rational people again. Slowly, with ever increasing speed, we turn into a militarized fascist police state. A COUNTRY where they can say anything about their executions and murders of unarmed citizens and exonerate themselves completely, gleefully. I can see them tapping glasses as they all agree, "that's the story". Clink, clink, clink........
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)one another's bullshit meters. I'll be using any publication of this story or its iterations to weed out stealth right wingers on my various social media lists. Anyone who posts this stuff as credible deserves no place in my life nor in my consciousness.
blm
(113,110 posts).
underpants
(182,949 posts)This is really embarrassing for them to have run this story. And the released it at 10pm just as the curfew hit so it was the first thing people saw when they turned on the TV.
Matariki
(18,775 posts)bigworld
(1,807 posts)diabeticman
(3,121 posts)Was this prisoner strapped in the van properly?
What is the prisoner's race and record?