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Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 03:40 PM Apr 2015

Navy To Escort U.S. Commercial Ships Near Iran

Source: CNN

Washington (CNN)CNN has learned that U.S. Navy warships will now accompany every U.S.-flagged commercial vessel that passes through the Strait of Hormuz due to concerns that ships from Iran's Revolutionary Guard Corps navy could try to seize a U.S. cargo ship.

The classified plan was approved by the Pentagon Thursday, according to a senior defense official.

While the Navy maintains a routine ship presence in the Persian Gulf and the North Arabian Sea, this new effort specifically requires an armed warship to be in the narrow channel between Iran and Oman when a U.S. commercial vessel passes through.

The decision to go ahead with this plan comes as Iran Revolutionary Guard ships harassed a U.S.-flagged vessel, the Maersk Kensington, on Friday and then later seized another cargo ship, the Maersk Tigris, flagged in the Marshall Islands.

Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/30/politics/us-navy-escort-cargo-ships-iran-strait-of-hormuz/

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Navy To Escort U.S. Commercial Ships Near Iran (Original Post) Purveyor Apr 2015 OP
Guess what I was doing in the Straits of Hormuz in 1987? hack89 Apr 2015 #1
Backstrokes?? happyslug Apr 2015 #7
You wouldn't suggest that if you saw all the sea snakes. nt hack89 Apr 2015 #8
Snakes with two hands and two feet or Snakes without any hands or feet? happyslug Apr 2015 #11
Irans rightwing nuts screw up their country project_bluebook Apr 2015 #2
If Iran does try to board or seize a US flagged cargo ship, I wonder what the Navy ship would do? nt okaawhatever Apr 2015 #3
Good question. Larry Engels Apr 2015 #5
I wonder if Iran is trying to seize a ship so they can hold it hostage for concessions in the nuke okaawhatever Apr 2015 #6
No this is tit for tat, we blockaded their ships off Yemen, they retaliate. happyslug Apr 2015 #9
The Iranians aren't blockaiding the strait. That leaves the question of will they try to okaawhatever Apr 2015 #10
Blocking the Straits would be an act of War, Iran does NOT want war with the US happyslug Apr 2015 #19
Procedure would likely be something along the lines of the following Lurks Often Apr 2015 #12
They would open fire. hack89 Apr 2015 #13
We gotta pay for this? candelista Apr 2015 #4
The ships are there already hack89 Apr 2015 #14
I heard about those new navy ship that don't use any fuel to patrol... Thor_MN Apr 2015 #15
We have had ships in the Persian Gulf for 30 years hack89 Apr 2015 #16
Yes, always the same number of ships, burning the same amount of fuel. Thor_MN Apr 2015 #17
Oh it is expensive as hell hack89 Apr 2015 #18
You have no idea what extra costs are involved. candelista May 2015 #22
Uh, did you mean to reply to someone else? Thor_MN May 2015 #25
No such thing... damyank913 May 2015 #24
Sorry, did you really need the sarcasm smilie? Thor_MN May 2015 #26
Sorry I don't understand... damyank913 May 2015 #27
You apparently don't understand sarcasm... Thor_MN May 2015 #28
Well delivered sarcasm is understandable... damyank913 May 2015 #29
I'm on pretty safe ground in pointing out that not "all ships, Navy or otherwise, consume fuel." Thor_MN May 2015 #30
There is a lack of caffeine thing going on here... damyank913 May 2015 #31
This message was self-deleted by its author candelista May 2015 #20
Wrong. Every special mission costs extra. candelista May 2015 #21
Having spend plenty of time in the Navy and the Gulf hack89 May 2015 #23
 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
11. Snakes with two hands and two feet or Snakes without any hands or feet?
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 04:20 PM
Apr 2015

Given that in 1980s the US Navy had its biggest fight since WWII in the Gulf, the snakes operating small boats is what I would be afraid of.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Praying_Mantis

Even RT, in 2011, reported that the Russia Navy considered the Iranian Navy no match for the US forces in the Gulf.

http://rt.com/politics/iran-us-russia-strait-hormuz-919/

On the other hand the Iranians have the ability to do SOME DAMAGE, like they did in 1987, but relatively mino compared to what the US Navy can do to Iran.

 

project_bluebook

(411 posts)
2. Irans rightwing nuts screw up their country
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 03:49 PM
Apr 2015

just like our rightwing nuts do and they both use religion as an excuse.

okaawhatever

(9,469 posts)
6. I wonder if Iran is trying to seize a ship so they can hold it hostage for concessions in the nuke
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 04:02 PM
Apr 2015

agreement, or if it's payback for Yemen. We aren't directly assisting SA bombing, but we are refueling their bombers (we are specifically not doing it in Yemeni airspace).

 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
9. No this is tit for tat, we blockaded their ships off Yemen, they retaliate.
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 04:09 PM
Apr 2015

I do NOT see the Iranians doing anything that would lead to actual shooting, but tit for tat will occur. Hopefully this will NOT get out of hand,

okaawhatever

(9,469 posts)
10. The Iranians aren't blockaiding the strait. That leaves the question of will they try to
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 04:11 PM
Apr 2015

seize a ship? Also, multiple countries helped block Yemen, it will be interesting to see if Iran goes after any of their ships.

 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
19. Blocking the Straits would be an act of War, Iran does NOT want war with the US
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 10:39 PM
Apr 2015

But the US DID BLOCKED Iranian ships from being off the coast of Yemen. It is for THAT act I suspected the Iranians did what they did. Technically the ship they stopped was NOT an American Ship, but everyone knows better. Liberia, Panama, Marshall Islands all have rules that say they are NOT US Ships, but have rules that the US Coast Guard can stop them even in the high seas as if they were an American Ship. This permits the crews of those ships to be lower paid Non-Americans, Filipinos were at time made up most of the crews of such ships, but other nationalities, mostly third world, have been recruited over the years (Starting in the 1990s a lot of Citizens of former Warsaw Pact nations became a source of crews, with Russian Sailors being preferred on actual sailing ships).

As to taking the ship over, Iran probably has a good case that it did violate Iranian Territorial waters. I suspect that happens a lot of times given the size of modern tankers and the narrowness of the strait (and how many other ships are using those Straits). I also suspect, that given how often this occurs, someone in Tehran decided it was time to retaliate for the American Blocking of Iranian ships off Yemen, but taking over the next American Owned Ship that violated Iranian Waters (Could be a Panama, Liberian or other flag of Convenience ship). Iran can say it is just making sure no one violates its territorial waters, even through it is probably done all the time.

Thus my comment this is tit for tat, if the US wants to prevent Iranian ships from being off the coast of Yemen, then the US better make sure its ship stays out of Iranian Waters. If the US is ready to give in on this matter, so will Iran.

Remember the Iranians did seize a Marshall Island Registered ship Maersk Tigris and harassed a US Flagged ship the Maersk Kensington, Earlier in this week'
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http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/30/politics/us-navy-escort-cargo-ships-iran-strait-of-hormuz/

Iran is now claiming it took the actions it did over a debt with the owner of those ships dating to 2005.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/01/world/middleeast/iran-maersk-tigris-container-ship-seizure.html

The Article mentions a 3.6 Million dollar verdict against the Ship's owner, but NOT when that Verdict was entered. Could be recent, and this is just a taking of property to satisfy that verdict. It may be ancient and dragged out to justify the taking of the ship, when the real reason was tit for tat for Yemen. Lets see what it is.

 

Lurks Often

(5,455 posts)
12. Procedure would likely be something along the lines of the following
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 06:36 PM
Apr 2015

The destroyer captain would likely interpose his ship between the Iranians and the cargo ship, if that fails and the Iranians continue to close, then
the captain would try to warn the Iranians off be signaling them via radio, loudspeaker and light messages, if that fails and the Iranians continue to close, then
the captain may fire warning shots, if that fails or if the Iranian choose at any point to open fire on either US ship, the destroyer will sink the Iranian ship or ships involved in the incident.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
16. We have had ships in the Persian Gulf for 30 years
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 09:25 PM
Apr 2015

those ships are there already burning fuel regardless of whether they are escorting ships or not.

 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
17. Yes, always the same number of ships, burning the same amount of fuel.
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 09:33 PM
Apr 2015

So there are absolutely no costs associated with having all those ships there. And deploying more ships costs us nothing either. The Navy is practically free...

hack89

(39,171 posts)
18. Oh it is expensive as hell
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 09:35 PM
Apr 2015

but the Persian Gulf is the one place you really want the Navy to be.

 

candelista

(1,986 posts)
22. You have no idea what extra costs are involved.
Fri May 1, 2015, 02:33 AM
May 2015

Those ships will now be in continuous use on a specific mission, not to protect the United States, but to protect oil shippers who are taking most of their product to Europe and Japan.

 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
25. Uh, did you mean to reply to someone else?
Fri May 1, 2015, 09:34 AM
May 2015

I'm not the one claiming that there are no additional costs.

damyank913

(787 posts)
24. No such thing...
Fri May 1, 2015, 09:33 AM
May 2015

...all ships, Navy or otherwise, consume fuel. Unless they're dead in the water-which is not a desirable situation for any ship.

 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
26. Sorry, did you really need the sarcasm smilie?
Fri May 1, 2015, 09:35 AM
May 2015

The US Navy hasn't been a sailing force for a long time.

damyank913

(787 posts)
29. Well delivered sarcasm is understandable...
Fri May 1, 2015, 10:06 AM
May 2015

...but who am I to judge.

As for ships, tread carefully. You're making assumptions that might make you look bad.

 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
30. I'm on pretty safe ground in pointing out that not "all ships, Navy or otherwise, consume fuel."
Fri May 1, 2015, 10:11 AM
May 2015

You made that claim. As an indication of general marine knowledge, it's pretty damaging.

Also you thought I was saying you needed to insert a sarcasm smilie. Lack of caffeine?

damyank913

(787 posts)
31. There is a lack of caffeine thing going on here...
Fri May 1, 2015, 10:19 AM
May 2015

...So me to make amends. All ships require an energy input. Better?
I thought you understood me: "...The US Navy hasn't been a sailing force for a long time...." . My Bad.

Response to hack89 (Reply #14)

hack89

(39,171 posts)
23. Having spend plenty of time in the Navy and the Gulf
Fri May 1, 2015, 05:46 AM
May 2015

I disagree with you. It is, however, not an issue worth fighting over. Peace.

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